Best Gopher QB in Modern Times

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Vandy said:
Asad Abdul Kahliq
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What could have been in that UM debacle. I remember him taking it to the house on a QB run up the middle and thinking - that should do it! Oh, to be a Gopher.
 

Foggie just barely over AAK, but only because of the Michigan nightmare. Seems like the whole crowd let out a "No!!!!!" just as AAK launched the pick-6 throw.
 

csom_1991 said:
What could have been in that UM debacle. I remember him taking it to the house on a QB run up the middle and thinking - that should do it! Oh, to be a Gopher.
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Asad was the best I saw in person on a regular basis. He was strong, quick, fast and had a cannon of an arm. He was not nearly as effective when not healthy. He threw some 65 yard passes with pressure in his face, that is how strong his arm was.

Hohensee put up some impressive numbers in his short time here and was very comfortable running the show in the old Salem run and shoot offense. He as very good.

Foggie ran the team well, could throw well enough and his speed and quickness were Mike Vick like.

Any of the three were better than anyone else on the list.
 

Foggie probably the best athlete of the bunch. Sauter may have been the best pure passer.

But, as the list illustrates, the Gophers have not had a legitimate pro-prospect QB in decades. Weber had moments, but he threw his share of passes at the feet of receivers, too.

I know people have a lot of hope for Green. Time will tell. The Kill/Claeys staff has not (IMHO) done a good job of handling the QB position.
 

RF14. Come on guys, this one is easy.


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short ornery norwegian said:
the Gophers have not had a legitimate pro-prospect QB in decades. Weber had moments, but he threw his share of passes at the feet of receivers, too.
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I think the fact that Weber was on an NFL team for multiple seasons qualifies him as a legitimate pro-prospect QB. He had all the tools but received terrible coaching (like all Gopher QB's) so he could never reach his potential. But he had what it took - as seen by making a team. I don't understand why so many here have such a problem with Weber but then are willing to fight to the gates of hell itself for Mitch. Family members? I honestly don't know.
 

csom_1991 said:
I think the fact that Weber was on an NFL team for multiple seasons qualifies him as a legitimate pro-prospect QB. He had all the tools but received terrible coaching (like all Gopher QB's) so he could never reach his potential. But he had what it took - as seen by making a team. I don't understand why so many here have such a problem with Weber but then are willing to fight to the gates of hell itself for Mitch. Family members? I honestly don't know.
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The difference between the two is small. Your memory of AW8 is off.


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Spoofin said:
The difference between the two is small. Your memory of AW8 is off.
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The difference is a WIDE chasm. ML is half the player Weber was. I guess I can be proven wrong if Mitch makes an NFL roster and sticks around for a few seasons but he has show ZERO of that on the field. Don't get me wrong - by every indication ML is a great leader and person - he is just not an NFL caliber QB. Compare the career stats - it is not even close. Like I said, ML is about half the player Weber was.
 



csom_1991 said:
The difference is a WIDE chasm. ML is half the player Weber was. I guess I can be proven wrong if Mitch makes an NFL roster and sticks around for a few seasons but he has show ZERO of that on the field. Don't get me wrong - by every indication ML is a great leader and person - he is just not an NFL caliber QB. <b>Compare the career stats - it is not even close. </b>Like I said, ML is about half the player Weber was.
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Actually dude, this was just done on GH not more than a month ago and they are virtually identical. Like I said - you are remembering AW8 wrong.



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Player 1: 57% comp, 6.8 yds/att, 1.4 TD/INT ratio, 123.1 passer efficiency rating.

Player 2: 57% comp, 7.1 yds/att, 1.2 TD/INT ratio, 122.4 passer efficiency rating.

Wide Chasm? Half the player? Box.


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Spoofin said:
Actually dude, this was just done on GH not more than a month ago and they are virtually identical. Like I said - you are remembering AW8 wrong.
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It was wrong to say they were the same then and it is just wrong now. Mitch has thrown 1TD all year agains FBS teams. He has literally regressed every year in QB rating. Weber threw for 11,000 yards and 72TDs. Mitch - with 3 games remaining in his career has thrown for 6,800 and 33TDs. He is literally about half the player. Throw in the team turmoil around Weber and his stats are that much more amazing.
 

csom_1991 said:
It was wrong to say they were the same then and it is just wrong now. Mitch has thrown 1TD all year agains FBS teams. He has literally regressed every year in QB rating. Weber threw for 11,000 yards and 72TDs. Mitch - with 3 games remaining in his career has thrown for 6,800 and 33TDs. He is literally about half the player. Throw in the team turmoil around Weber and his stats are that much more amazing.
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Oh, I see - you want to use total yards and TDs as the measuring stick. Who cares that they played in totally different offenses. So why not say that AW8 threw 24 more INTs. If you want to have an actual conversation based in stats then at least use ones that can be compared between different offenses. I already helped you with that but you must have missed it.

Spoofin said:
Player 1: 57% comp, 6.8 yds/att, 1.4 TD/INT ratio, 123.1 passer efficiency rating.

Player 2: 57% comp, 7.1 yds/att, 1.2 TD/INT ratio, 122.4 passer efficiency rating.

Wide Chasm? Half the player? Box.


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csom_1991 said:
It was wrong to say they were the same then and it is just wrong now. Mitch has thrown 1TD all year agains FBS teams. He has literally regressed every year in QB rating. Weber threw for 11,000 yards and 72TDs. Mitch - with 3 games remaining in his career has thrown for 6,800 and 33TDs. He is literally about half the player. Throw in the team turmoil around Weber and his stats are that much more amazing.
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Weber had 600 more passing attempts too. Like Spoofin said, you have to take the offense they ran into account.

If you're going to use these stats as the measuring stick, then Weber is by far the best Gophers QB ever as his passing yardage and TDs are best by a long shot.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Weber had 600 more passing attempts too. Like Spoofin said, you have to take the offense they ran into account.

If you're going to use these stats as the measuring stick, then Weber is by far the best Gophers QB ever as his passing yardage and TDs are best by a long shot.
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And the worst as I suspect he threw more INTs than any other as well. Mind Blown.


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GophersInIowa said:
Weber had 600 more passing attempts too. Like Spoofin said, you have to take the offense they ran into account.
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Weber had constant staff turnover and ML had basically the same staff for most of his career. As to the pass attempts - yes, Weber had more but simple things like TD/INT ratio he is also much, much better as well.

However, you need to compare senior seasons to really show you how different they are. The reality is ML is having one of the single worst season for a Gopher QB since the invention of the forward pass.

Look at B1G passing TD's - we have 6 (ML 5 total and ONLY 1!!!! if you exclude InSt). The next worst team? - Rutgers/Ill/WI at 11.

Compare ML's senior year stats:

ML / Weber

Att: 236 / 368
Comp: 139 / 205
Yards: 1685 / 2679
TD: 5 / 20
INT: 7 / 9
QB Rating: 75.6 / 86.8

And these are his stats before facing WI's defense and whichever winning record team we face in the bowl game. Again - take away the InSt game and ML had a historically bad year.

For Weber, this came with a bottom of the bucket team from a talent and coaching standpoint - remember this was POST-DECKER and he had his best statistical year so don't complain about ML not having targets. Brewster was fired mid-season it got so bad.

Again - this is what should be expected from a senior QB. Saying that the difference between the 2 is small is just delusional.
 

Benji Kamrath - he was the QB the last time the Gophers beat the Badgers.
 






csom_1991 said:
Weber had constant staff turnover and ML had basically the same staff for most of his career. As to the pass attempts - yes, Weber had more but simple things like TD/INT ratio he is also much, much better as well.

However, you need to compare senior seasons to really show you how different they are. The reality is ML is having one of the single worst season for a Gopher QB since the invention of the forward pass.

Look at B1G passing TD's - we have 6 (ML 5 total and ONLY 1!!!! if you exclude InSt). The next worst team? - Rutgers/Ill/WI at 11.

Compare ML's senior year stats:

ML / Weber

Att: 236 / 368
Comp: 139 / 205
Yards: 1685 / 2679
TD: 5 / 20
INT: 7 / 9
QB Rating: 75.6 / 86.8

And these are his stats before facing WI's defense and whichever winning record team we face in the bowl game. Again - take away the InSt game and ML had a historically bad year.

For Weber, this came with a bottom of the bucket team from a talent and coaching standpoint - remember this was POST-DECKER and he had his best statistical year so don't complain about ML not having targets. Brewster was fired mid-season it got so bad.

Again - this is what should be expected from a senior QB. Saying that the difference between the 2 is small is just delusional.
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I just stated that you have to take the type of offenses that were ran into account. I think most would agree. You're right, Leidner doesn't throw a lot of TD passes. Part of that reason is because we are so successful running the ball near the goal line. And a big reason for that success is Leidner's running ability. I'm not saying he has played well this season, but you have to take this into account. He has rushed for 5 TDs in the last 4 games too.

The reality is ML is having one of the single worst season for a Gopher QB since the invention of the forward pass.
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Do you mean as a senior or in general? Because there have been a lot of seasons where the QB play has been much worse than this season's. You only have to go back to 2011 and 2012 to find that.
 

csom_1991 said:
Weber had constant staff turnover and ML had basically the same staff for most of his career. As to the pass attempts - yes, Weber had more but simple things like TD/INT ratio he is also much, much better as well.

However, you need to compare senior seasons to really show you how different they are. The reality is ML is having one of the single worst season for a Gopher QB since the invention of the forward pass.

Look at B1G passing TD's - we have 6 (ML 5 total and ONLY 1!!!! if you exclude InSt). The next worst team? - Rutgers/Ill/WI at 11.

Compare ML's senior year stats:

ML / Weber

Att: 236 / 368
Comp: 139 / 205
Yards: 1685 / 2679
TD: 5 / 20
INT: 7 / 9
QB Rating: 75.6 / 86.8

And these are his stats before facing WI's defense and whichever winning record team we face in the bowl game. Again - take away the InSt game and ML had a historically bad year.

For Weber, this came with a bottom of the bucket team from a talent and coaching standpoint - remember this was POST-DECKER and he had his best statistical year so don't complain about ML not having targets. Brewster was fired mid-season it got so bad.

Again - this is what should be expected from a senior QB. Saying that the difference between the 2 is small is just delusional.
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I can't keep up with you. You said look at stats. Then when that didn't pan out we hear QB ratings (nope). Then we hear about coaching changes holding Weber back (to which I will raise you WR talent). Now we hear look at Sr seasons - that is what matters. You have proven again that you can find some stat to prove anything.

Weber and ML7 were very similar. It has been proven in this thread but you keep moving the target rather than admitting your memory of AW8 is no longer accurate. It happens all the time on here - remember how great DCT was? I'll find you a stat to prove it.


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" You said look at stats. Then when that didn't pan out we hear QB ratings (nope)." - they are one and the same. Weber blows his doors off.

"Then we hear about coaching changes holding Weber back (to which I will raise you WR talent)."

Weber put up 2x the stats despite the coaching and talent issues.

"Now we hear look at Sr seasons"

Again - it comes down to statistics to which you seem allergic.

Weber and ML are simply not comparable. Weber did more with less and re-wrote the Gopher record book in the process. Most people's fondest memory of Mitch will be his graduation.
 

csom_1991 said:
" You said look at stats. Then when that didn't pan out we hear QB ratings (nope)." - they are one and the same. Weber blows his doors off.

"Then we hear about coaching changes holding Weber back (to which I will raise you WR talent)."

Weber put up 2x the stats despite the coaching and talent issues.

"Now we hear look at Sr seasons"

Again - it comes down to statistics to which you seem allergic.

Weber and ML are simply not comparable. Weber did more with less and re-wrote the Gopher record book in the process. Most people's fondest memory of Mitch will be his graduation.
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Those QB rating was identical. Already posted it. He had similar stats. Already posted it. He had better WR talent. You just don't get it.


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The View From July 2011

From The Daily Gopher from 7/7/2011. Pre MarQueis let along Leidner

interceptions per attempt?

Cupito - 2.7% (interceptions on 2.7% of his attempts)
Abdul-Khaliq - 3.1%
Weber - 3.2%
Sauter - 3.5%
Schade - 3.67%
Hohensee - 4.3%
Cockerham - 4.95%
Fleetwood - 5.0%
Foggie - 5.1%
Dungy - 5.97%

completion %

Weber - 57.0%
Sauter - 57.0% - pictured
Abdul-Khaliq - 56.8%
Cupito - 55.9%
Hohensee - 54.3%
Fleetwood - 53.1%
Cockerham - 52.0%
Schade - 51.4%
Foggie - 49.5%
Dungy - 46.8%

QB to WR combos over a two year span...

TuTu Atwell caught 36.8% of Sauter's completions during the QB's final two seasons
Anderson caught 31.0% of Ricky Foggie's completions over his SO and JR seasons
Decker caught 30.0% of Weber's completions during his SO and JR seasons

Single Season QB to WR combos

1998 - Cockerham to Luke Leverson - 65.2%
2001 - Abdul-Khaliz to Ron Johnson - 52.3%
1996 - Sauter to Atwell - 46.0%
1984 - Foggie to Dwayne McMullen - 45.6%
1993 - Schade to Omar Douglas - 44.4%
1985 - Foggie to Anderson - 35.1%
2008 - Weber to Decker - 32.9%

Wins

Abdul-Khaliq - .595 (2 bowl games)
Cockerham - .565 (1 bowl game)
Dungy - .545
Cupito - .541 (3 bowl games)
Foggie - .500 (2 bowl games) - pictured
Hohensee - .409
Weber - .340 (2 bowl games)
Schade - .318
Fleetwood - .303
Sauter - .294


http://www.thedailygopher.com/2011/7/7/1633820/a-look-at-some-of-the-greatest-of-gopher-quarterbacks
 

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