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They are essentially the same player - huge reliance on jump shooting and floating around the perimeter.

From a spacing standpoint it works, but our offense is stopped because we have no penetration from our guards as we’re too slow. This is the main problem of our offense and we don’t have the player on our roster currently to solve it ( a lightning quick guard).
 





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They are essentially the same player - huge reliance on jump shooting and floating around the perimeter.

From a spacing standpoint it works, but our offense is stopped because we have no penetration from our guards as we’re too slow. This is the main problem of our offense and we don’t have the player on our roster currently to solve it ( a lightning quick guard).
Garcia has way more of a post game. He needs to get down there more often. Don’t think they are the same player at all
 


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Ben needs to figure out a lot of things.

For starters, how about settling on a starting 5 which includes Payne, Battle, Garcia, Cooper and Carrington. Then start establishing an inside game rather than launching a bunch of 3's.
Starting 5 is overrated. 100% that he needs to continue to figure line ups, but that’s to be expected with the roster overturned. We’ve played 6 games and it’s a lot clearer now, but it’s still early and will be fluid
 

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Ben needs to figure out a lot of things.

For starters, how about settling on a starting 5 which includes Payne, Battle, Garcia, Cooper and Carrington. Then start establishing an inside game rather than launching a bunch of 3's.
YES! Thank you! I really don't see the problem with playing Garcia, Battle and Payne together. Coach has to get Garcia and Battle thinking in terms of getting the ball in Paynes hands, and then getting it back. Run some patient offense. This is not a team that can dribble drive to create. Pass the stinking ball. The passes we do make are often long and dangerous passes.
 



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I drove up from San Diego for the UNLV game. Very impressed with the Gopher turnout, which dwarfed the UNLV "crowd" by 10-1. A group called the Traveling Gophers made up the largest part of the Minnesota contingent. As for the game, I thought Cooper did an excellent job of getting into the lane and had opportunities for mid-range jump shots but invariably looked to pass the ball to 3-point shooters.
When I looked at the stat sheet at home, I was amazed that UNLV actually shot the ball as poorly as the Gophers and the Gophers had way fewer turnovers than I thought. Plus I was stunned to see that the Gophers had as many rebounds as UNLV! It seemed like we were getting killed on the boards. Perspective can be warped by how the game "feels".
 

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I drove up from San Diego for the UNLV game. Very impressed with the Gopher turnout, which dwarfed the UNLV "crowd" by 10-1. A group called the Traveling Gophers made up the largest part of the Minnesota contingent. As for the game, I thought Cooper did an excellent job of getting into the lane and had opportunities for mid-range jump shots but invariably looked to pass the ball to 3-point shooters.
When I looked at the stat sheet at home, I was amazed that UNLV actually shot the ball as poorly as the Gophers and the Gophers had way fewer turnovers than I thought. Plus I was stunned to see that the Gophers had as many rebounds as UNLV! It seemed like we were getting killed on the boards. Perspective can be warped by how the game "feels".

They made more threes
 


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Garcia has way more of a post game. He needs to get down there more often. Don’t think they are the same player at all
They played against four guards, he had a 6'6" guy guarding him, how often did they isolate and post up Garcia. They ended up trying to machup with UNLV, at this point putting Carrington and Hendley on the court at the same time is a lesson in futility, bad shots, defensive mistakes compound.
 



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They played against four guards, he had a 6'6" guy guarding him, how often did they isolate and post up Garcia. They ended up trying to machup with UNLV, at this point putting Carrington and Hendley on the court at the same time is a lesson in futility, bad shots, defensive mistakes compound.
Exactly! They’re playing with 4 guards and we place 7’ TT, 6’11” Garcia, and 6’7” Battle on the perimeter waiting for kickouts from our 6’4” PG.

With all that size, we’re jacking up 31 3pt shots. That’s over half of our FG attempts! A few of Battle’s were from 25’!
 

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I drove up from San Diego for the UNLV game. Very impressed with the Gopher turnout, which dwarfed the UNLV "crowd" by 10-1. A group called the Traveling Gophers made up the largest part of the Minnesota contingent. As for the game, I thought Cooper did an excellent job of getting into the lane and had opportunities for mid-range jump shots but invariably looked to pass the ball to 3-point shooters.
When I looked at the stat sheet at home, I was amazed that UNLV actually shot the ball as poorly as the Gophers and the Gophers had way fewer turnovers than I thought. Plus I was stunned to see that the Gophers had as many rebounds as UNLV! It seemed like we were getting killed on the boards. Perspective can be warped by how the game "feels".
Up until the last 4 minutes or so the stats probably reflected the blowout game, then we padded our stats late hitting shots and them missing. So while it ended up a 9 point game, it looked and felt like a 20 point game- which it was.
 

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Starting 5 is overrated. 100% that he needs to continue to figure line ups, but that’s to be expected with the roster overturned. We’ve played 6 games and it’s a lot clearer now, but it’s still early and will be fluid
Getting behind on the scoreboard immediately is overrated.
 

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Exactly! They’re playing with 4 guards and we place 7’ TT, 6’11” Garcia, and 6’7” Battle on the perimeter waiting for kickouts from our 6’4” PG.

With all that size, we’re jacking up 31 3pt shots. That’s over half of our FG attempts! A few of Battle’s were from 25’!
That’s coaching.
 

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They played against four guards, he had a 6'6" guy guarding him, how often did they isolate and post up Garcia. They ended up trying to machup with UNLV, at this point putting Carrington and Hendley on the court at the same time is a lesson in futility, bad shots, defensive mistakes compound.
Agree they should’ve had better movement and gotten the ball to him. He should’ve established position more. UNLV also did a good job of bumping him before he got a chance and not giving our guards good opportunities to feed him or Payne.
My point is Battle and Garcia aren’t the same.
 



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Not a big deal to get behind immediately? Ok.
I’d rather get down immediately than at the end. Of course no one wants a deficit, but in reality, it isn’t that big a deal. Most basketball games are series of runs. You just have to manage and contain and try your best to be consistent and not get to up or down. Again we were up 15 on Monday. Do they get props for that start?
 

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They made more threes
Correct.
The Gophers actually got some good looks. They didn't fall. I also note that Cooper passed on some open 3s that he should have taken.
We did settle for 3s at times rather than drive hard to the rim. This team is at the beginning stage of the process. For some reason people think that the process, at this point, should look better than it does. We have two people from last year's squad. One big who is a liability on defense and Battle who is still trying to get back into form after foot surgery.
Whether anyone likes it or not, this squad is going to go through severe growing pains.
 

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Correct.
The Gophers actually got some good looks. They didn't fall. I also note that Cooper passed on some open 3s that he should have taken.
We did settle for 3s at times rather than drive hard to the rim. This team is at the beginning stage of the process. For some reason people think that the process, at this point, should look better than it does. We have two people from last year's squad. One big who is a liability on defense and Battle who is still trying to get back into form after foot surgery.
Whether anyone likes it or not, this squad is going to go through severe growing pains.
I don't think this team has the players to drive hard to the rim at the moment. We have to pass it into the post and work from there. Post up Garcia or Payne every time down court and patiently work the ball inside- then outside.
 

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I’d rather get down immediately than at the end. Of course no one wants a deficit, but in reality, it isn’t that big a deal. Most basketball games are series of runs. You just have to manage and contain and try your best to be consistent and not get to up or down. Again we were up 15 on Monday. Do they get props for that start?
Of course. To say being behind immediately isn’t a big deal is crazy.

Ask cbj if he wants to get the lead and keep it or play from behind.
 

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Of course. To say being behind immediately isn’t a big deal is crazy.

Ask cbj if he wants to get the lead and keep it or play from behind.
The end score is the end score. Where your series of runs is at really doesn’t change much of anything except for at the very end of the game. Coaches adjust with line ups, play calls, and schematics, etc…. The main point of the argument was that the starting line up isn’t that big of a deal. the best players finish the game and play the most minutes. Whether they are out there at the start or not doesn’t matter. This starting line up has given a big lead early and gained one to start the game. The issue is the run that was given up. That can be because of the lineup or it could be because of other things listed above. Sometimes it’s just luck. All of that will be looked at after the game when staffs do their evaluations.
 

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I don't think this team has the players to drive hard to the rim at the moment. We have to pass it into the post and work from there. Post up Garcia or Payne every time down court and patiently work the ball inside- then outside.
Garcia is not built to post up. He will end up 10 feet away from the rim. Payne is a different story.
 

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The end score is the end score. Where your series of runs is at really doesn’t change much of anything except for at the very end of the game. Coaches adjust with line ups, play calls, and schematics, etc…. The main point of the argument was that the starting line up isn’t that big of a deal. the best players finish the game and play the most minutes. Whether they are out there at the start or not doesn’t matter. This starting line up has given a big lead early and gained one to start the game. The issue is the run that was given up. That can be because of the lineup or it could be because of other things listed above. Sometimes it’s just luck. All of that will be looked at after the game when staffs do their evaluations.
The final result is the final result. We agree. Being behind immediately is a big deal.
Adjusting the starting lineup is the point. Cbj won’t do it. Second half either. The initial run is an issue, however you appear to think runs later in the game are more important and getting behind immediately doesn’t impact results. I disagree.
Cbj would prefer to lead out of the gate, imo.
 

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Coach has more problems than Garcia and Battle playing together. Maybe he can get pointers on how to get the most from less than talented players from Gard.
 

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The final result is the final result. We agree. Being behind immediately is a big deal.
Adjusting the starting lineup is the point. Cbj won’t do it. Second half either. The initial run is an issue, however you appear to think runs later in the game are more important and getting behind immediately doesn’t impact results. I disagree.
Cbj would prefer to lead out of the gate, imo.
So you wanted him to adjust the starting lineup after the previous starting lineup gave them a 15 point lead? What exactly is your point?
 





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