Beer at TCF...1st the Senate ok's, Now the House ok's.

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not another one of these threads. come on, dr. don! ;-)
 


Dr.Don said:
The House just approved it today, that is all. I entered no opinion, just a new development.
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i know, i know. appreciate it. just hoping dpdoll and the others from the previous thread don't start chiming in again. that last thread turned into a giant piece of steaming you know what and became unreadable.
 

supadupafly said:
i know, i know. appreciate it. just hoping dpdoll and the others from the previous thread don't start chiming in again. that last thread turned into a giant piece of steaming you know what and became unreadable.
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That is why that thread was closed and locked.
 








I drink in the campus bars or at the Alumni Center before the games. Not interested in buying $7 beers in he beer garden\open end of stadium.
 

I'm glad this revenue source is finally being made available to the U. But they won't get any additional money from me because of this, as I get my fill at the pre-game tailgate.

At least we can squeeze some more money out of Badger fans every other year.
 

GopherVotary said:
I'm glad this revenue source is finally being made available to the U. But they won't get any additional money from me because of this, as I get my fill at the pre-game tailgate.

At least we can squeeze some more money out of Badger fans every other year.
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Right on:

Extra $$$ for U of M on years Badgers play at TCF = $3.75 million.
Extra $$$ for U of M on years no Badger Game at TCF = $1.25 million.
 

My sources tell me Dr Don is in favor of a beer garden.
 



My first game was the Illinois game last year, not exactly drinking weather, 1/2 full stadium. I was amazed at the number of sh%$faced drunks in a section of adults. Trust me, no Illini or Badger fans around. The poor season ticket holder next to me drove 160 miles with his three kids and moved to an empty section while the local drunks laughed about taking over his nice seatback chairs.Drinking to excess is imbedded in midwest culture. Ushers will need a quick hook with beer sales on a warm day.
 

seriously. are we going to have this silly debate all over again? the decisions have been made. there will finally be alcohol available for purchase in the premium seating areas and suites (this is important for the U of M athletic department's finances). and there will be alcohol available for purchase in a controlled beer garden setting for general seating patrons. that is all. let's not debate this thing to the death all over again.

move on......pretty please.
 

Dr.Don said:
Right on:

Extra $$$ for U of M on years Badgers play at TCF = $3.75 million.
Extra $$$ for U of M on years no Badger Game at TCF = $1.25 million.
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Is that because everyone will be celebrating a Gophers win over Wisconsin?
 

supadupafly said:
seriously. are we going to have this silly debate all over again? the decisions have been made. there will finally be alcohol available for purchase in the premium seating areas and suites (this is important for the U of M athletic department's finances). and there will be alcohol available for purchase in a controlled beer garden setting for general seating patrons. that is all. let's not debate this thing to the death all over again.

move on......pretty please.
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The only thing I would add to this is with sugar on it! We could then actually talk about football.
 

If they're smart, they make it a fixed-quantity beer garden. No TVs. No ability to see the game. Once the fixed amount available for sale is gone, it's gone.

Makes a mockery of the law, as well as gets the U off the hook to sell the booze where they've intended to sell it the whole time.
 

I can't wait for the fans to start bitching and moaning because they can't bring the beer back to the their seats.
 

Pffft. No beer at practice today.

Total waste of time going. I wanted to get HAMMERED with my 9 year-old.
 


popeyoung5 said:
My first game was the Illinois game last year, not exactly drinking weather, 1/2 full stadium. I was amazed at the number of sh%$faced drunks in a section of adults. Trust me, no Illini or Badger fans around. The poor season ticket holder next to me drove 160 miles with his three kids and moved to an empty section while the local drunks laughed about taking over his nice seatback chairs.Drinking to excess is imbedded in midwest culture. Ushers will need a quick hook with beer sales on a warm day.
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1. The stadium was not half full. Attendance 41549.
2. The local "drunks" should have been tossed from the game. All they had to do was contact an usher. If the usher didn't respond, the UofM police would gladly have taken them away.
3. More likely those people did nothing, just like yourself, since you apparently were there and did nothing to assist.
4. Drinking to excess is a national youth phenomonon. The difference between our excessive drinkers and everybody else is measured in ounces, less than a cup of beer difference.
5. Total alcohol consumption is down in every age group over the last 35 years.
6. The United States ranks 33rd in per capita alcohol consumption according to WHO.
7. World ranking of alcohol control policies has the US in the middle.
8. Driving fatalities compared to other countries we are in the middle, although slightly less than statistically expected.
9. Alcohol related driving fatalities is 1/3 of the fatalities of 1982 according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
10. Arrest rates for liquor law violations nearly doubled since 1990.
11. DUI arrests are up, enforcement up, in recent years.
12. The Office of Traffic Safety records record a 21% drop in driving fatalties in the last 5 years (2010 data). Mostly a result of a change in behavior from people who drink heavily -- more will not drive themselves or others.
13. September and November are the lowest 2 months of the year for DUI arrests. October is the 3rd lowest.


Solutions: keep non alcohol events going after the games to encourage activity for fans. Screen random fans for sobriety tests. Stop sales of beer at the end of the first half. Restrict the alcohol content of served beverages. Restrict sales per ticket. Put names on tickets. Put age on tickets. Use social pressure not to drink beyond moderation. Speak up when there are problems. Intervene. Speak up on GH.

Just don't demonize alcohol or praise it as a libation. My last comment on this thread.

The example of your friends encountering a few drunks at a stadium is unfortunate. Your friends could have had them removed, but didn't try very hard to enforce their seating rights and their nuissance rights. Too bad.
 

My point is: Remove the incentives for drinking at the game in the stadium (no carryouts, no way to see or hear what's going on, limit quantity sold by garden, absolute cap on the amount able to be purchased), and suddenly this becomes a non-issue.
 

GopherRock said:
My point is: Remove the incentives for drinking at the game in the stadium (no carryouts, no way to see or hear what's going on, limit quantity sold by garden, absolute cap on the amount able to be purchased), and suddenly this becomes a non-issue.
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The legislature will impose 'conditions' on how convenient/ inconvenient the policies of said beer garden are.

If the University of Minnesota is truly on-board with the beer garden, I am fine with the decision.

If the U is 'caving in', I won't be real happy.
 

station19 said:
The legislature will impose 'conditions' on how convenient/ inconvenient the policies of said beer garden are.

If the University of Minnesota is truly on-board with the beer garden, I am fine with the decision.

If the U is 'caving in', I won't be real happy.
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Many of us will be watching how this plays out. The U will NOT be allowed to just pay lip service to the beer garden legislation.
 

Question - (I have never been to a game at TCF because I work most Saturdays.)

Do the users/security people at the stadium do anything if an obviously intoxicated person tries to enter the stadium?

How about fans trying to smuggle in flasks, bottles, etc?

I ask that because, in my experience, most people who wind up sh*t-faced drunk at games do a lot of drinking before the game, and are often half in the bag by the time they enter the stadium. In order to get that drunk during the game, you have have to be really pounding, which will be difficult given the restrictions that will be in place (I assume) at the beer garden. I suppose someone in a suite could get hammered during a game, but at least they'd be in a suite, and not causing problems in the general seating area.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
Question - (I have never been to a game at TCF because I work most Saturdays.)

Do the users/security people at the stadium do anything if an obviously intoxicated person tries to enter the stadium?
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I haven't really noticed anyone that sloppy drunk attempt to get in the stadium. Honestly. Now, maybe that's because my uncle and I normally hit up the plaza and/or eat at the GLC luncheon prior to the game and then get in the stadium before the lines start (typically an hour or so before kickoff). That's my experience with most sporting events.. I don't have plans at ALL on those days and make sure to get to the area many hours before the game is set to kick off/tip off/first pitch to avoid the zoo. It works.

Sorry for the tangent. But because I do this, I don't see the sloppy drunk people get in or how they are obviously treated by security.

short ornery norwegian said:
How about fans trying to smuggle in flasks, bottles, etc?
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Security doesn't even touch you anymore. They look in bags and MAYBE pat your coat pockets, but that's it. They do this to speed up the lines getting into The Bank. I've seen many people bring flasks in. The last time was against Nebraska. The group of college/20-something guys that sat next to us were pretty lit up and they had little plastic disposable flasks. I can only imagine how easy it was 'smuggling' them in.

short ornery norwegian said:
I ask that because, in my experience, most people who wind up sh*t-faced drunk at games do a lot of drinking before the game, and are often half in the bag by the time they enter the stadium. In order to get that drunk during the game, you have have to be really pounding, which will be difficult given the restrictions that will be in place (I assume) at the beer garden. I suppose someone in a suite could get hammered during a game, but at least they'd be in a suite, and not causing problems in the general seating area.
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That was the most 'poop' faced I've seen fans during a game. The only other 'obnoxious' drunk fans I've seen was the last game against OSU, and they were still coherent and having fun (read: weren't idiot Wisky fans).

I know this much that I enjoy the environment as it is (no where near the drunk masses that we have at Viking games), and am cautiously optimistic that having a beer garden will keep the sloppy drunk masses in the garden and not in the seats next/behind me. We'll see, though. I'll reserve my opinion on them until I experience the change first-hand.
 


short ornery norwegian said:
Question - (I have never been to a game at TCF because I work most Saturdays.)

Do the users/security people at the stadium do anything if an obviously intoxicated person tries to enter the stadium?

How about fans trying to smuggle in flasks, bottles, etc?

I ask that because, in my experience, most people who wind up sh*t-faced drunk at games do a lot of drinking before the game, and are often half in the bag by the time they enter the stadium. In order to get that drunk during the game, you have have to be really pounding, which will be difficult given the restrictions that will be in place (I assume) at the beer garden. I suppose someone in a suite could get hammered during a game, but at least they'd be in a suite, and not causing problems in the general seating area.
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Yes, security was doing something about it and cleaned up a couple drunks in our section. Both times the cops came down and walked them out of the section. On a different occasion in a section next to us a cop was holding an open bottle that some guy must have passed around and that guy was walked out.
 

Bottom line is that this is about adding more revenue. I love the idea of adding more money to the U. If you don't like the beer garden, then you don't have to go the beer garden. Simple solution!
 

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