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alchemy2u said:
Time to stop griping about the U losing players and justifying it because you think nobody would want to play here in Minnesota. The current NIL and transfer portal situation has many high profile teams losing much of their roster each year. Baylor just lost every player on their team, without a coaching change.
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Baylor lost every player because nobody wants to play for MN and the administration hates athletics. ;)

All kidding aside, holy crap. This current system is unsustainable.
 

alchemy2u said:
Time to stop griping about the U losing players and justifying it because you think nobody would want to play here in Minnesota. The current NIL and transfer portal situation has many high profile teams losing much of their roster each year. Baylor just lost every player on their team, without a coaching change.

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Not really sure there are many doing what you are accusing the board of doing. Think everyone understands that players jumping ship is not just a Minnesota thing and is happening all over the country.

There is certainly concern that we don't have the slush fund many teams have to buy the best players but when there are over 2000 players in the portal it is pretty clear that this is far bigger than just our school.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Not really sure there are many doing what you are accusing the board of doing. Think everyone understands that players jumping ship is not just a Minnesota thing and is happening all over the country.

There is certainly concern that we don't have the slush fund many teams have to buy the best players but when there are over 2000 players in the portal it is pretty clear that this is far bigger than just our school.
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It’s easier to gripe when it’s a widespread group of people we see as the “problem.” I think the OP makes a good point about the issue of rosters depleting. Not such a great point about the masses on this board that think we’re the only Power 5 with the problem.
 

Maybe this has been brought up in the portal thread, but AJ Storr, is moving to his 4th college team in 4 years. He also attended 4 different high schools as well. So the last 8 years of basketball he's been on 8 different teams.

To some, the grass is always greener on the other side. The free transfer/NIL just encourages it to a fault.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/spor...sissippi-after-one-season-kansas/83102863007/
 


Holy Man said:
It’s easier to gripe when it’s a widespread group of people we see as the “problem.” I think the OP makes a good point about the issue of rosters depleting. Not such a great point about the masses on this board that think we’re the only Power 5 with the problem.
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Yeah, the roster churn in college basketball is ridiculous. Teams should not have to rebuild nearly an entire roster in one off season but it is happening all over the place.
 



DarthGopher said:
Baylor lost every player because nobody wants to play for MN and the administration hates athletics. ;)

All kidding aside, holy crap. This current system is unsustainable.
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Obviously, I want the Gophers to be successful, but more than that, I want college basketball to be healthy and sustainable. Few would argue that the cure (unlimited pay and unlimited freedom for players) has been worse than the disease (players as indentured servants with no cut of the big money they produce). As President Kennedy once said, these problems are made by man and can be solved by man. There has to be a solution that can be devised and implemented.
 



Bad Gopher said:
Obviously, I want the Gophers to be successful, but more than that, I want college basketball to be healthy and sustainable. Few would argue that the cure (unlimited pay and unlimited freedom for players) has been worse than the disease (players as indentured servants with no cut of the big money they produce). As President Kennedy once said, these problems are made by man and can be solved by man. There has to be a solution that can be devised and implemented.
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I take it you don't like the AAU circuit. 🤔
 

FinnGopher said:
I take it you don't like the AAU circuit. 🤔
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If that's a serious question, I'm ambivalent about it. More ignorant about it than I ought to be as a CBB fan, probably. To the extent it's part of the problem, it should be addressed, too.
 

MNVCGUY said:
There is certainly concern that we don't have the slush fund many teams have to buy the best players but when there are over 2000 players in the portal it is pretty clear that this is far bigger than just our school.
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What wasn't mentioned in the top post is that Baylor has 6 incoming transfers so far and four of them are rated as four-star transfers. They also have a letter of intent from an incoming freshman rated as the #17 player in the class. I think they'll be all right.
 




The portal only seems to be a huge problem in mens basketball. Sure other sports lose players to the portal but in basketball it's very common to lose over half the roster and in extreme situations lose the whole roster. Crazy times.

I think college basketball as a whole is lucky the NCAA tournament is so great and popular. Otherwise I think it would be in big trouble. It used to be you could be a casual fan and still know who the best players are because there was consistency. Not anymore.
 

Bad Gopher said:
Obviously, I want the Gophers to be successful, but more than that, I want college basketball to be healthy and sustainable. Few would argue that the cure (unlimited pay and unlimited freedom for players) has been worse than the disease (players as indentured servants with no cut of the big money they produce). As President Kennedy once said, these problems are made by man and can be solved by man. There has to be a solution that can be devised and implemented.
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Human beings crave certainty. Like any other product, predictability and stability are important features when people are deciding which products to consume and which to avoid. Chaos can work in the short-term, but I feel it is not a long-term winning strategy.

The NFL is far from perfect, but as far as cultivating parity and at least appearing to have some semblance of a level playing field, they have crushed it. The NCAA doesn't need to invent some totally new model. There are several in place today that could be successfully adapted for college athletics.
 

DarthGopher said:
Baylor lost every player because nobody wants to play for MN and the administration hates athletics. ;)

All kidding aside, holy crap. This current system is unsustainable.
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I think it may contribute to the overall inflation rate.
 

GophersInIowa said:
The portal only seems to be a huge problem in mens basketball. Sure other sports lose players to the portal but in basketball it's very common to lose over half the roster and in extreme situations lose the whole roster. Crazy times.
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Every system has good and bad features. What I like about the current one is that I get to see a lot of different players and few are around long enough for me to get sick of them. Yes, we may not have been able to keep Jordan Murphy around for four years under this system but we might not have had to carry Gaston, Bakary, and Michael Hurt for four years either.
 

TwistingMyMelon said:
Every system has good and bad features. What I like about the current one is that I get to see a lot of different players and few are around long enough for me to get sick of them. Yes, we may not have been able to keep Jordan Murphy around for four years under this system but we might not have had to carry Gaston, Bakary, and Michael Hurt for four years either.
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And if you keep following them, you will eventually learn the nickname of every University. Hello Banana Slugs!
 

TwistingMyMelon said:
What wasn't mentioned in the top post is that Baylor has 6 incoming transfers so far and four of them are rated as four-star transfers. They also have a letter of intent from an incoming freshman rated as the #17 player in the class. I think they'll be all right.
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Did last year's players leave before the new transfers were added or after? Will freely admit to not following their situation closely at all. I am sure they will be fine as well, just another in the long line of teams needing to fill a ton of spots in this topsy turvey college basketball landscape.
 

Hopefully these player contracts and NIL contracts start to build multi year and include roster bonuses, etc and penalties for leaving early/termination on both sides...time to treat it like a business.
 

DarthGopher said:
Baylor lost every player because nobody wants to play for MN and the administration hates athletics. ;)

All kidding aside, holy crap. This current system is unsustainable.
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Baylor will have a men's college basketball team next year
 


MNVCGUY said:
Not really sure there are many doing what you are accusing the board of doing. Think everyone understands that players jumping ship is not just a Minnesota thing and is happening all over the country.

There is certainly concern that we don't have the slush fund many teams have to buy the best players but when there are over 2000 players in the portal it is pretty clear that this is far bigger than just our school.
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Holy Man said:
It’s easier to gripe when it’s a widespread group of people we see as the “problem.” I think the OP makes a good point about the issue of rosters depleting. Not such a great point about the masses on this board that think we’re the only Power 5 with the problem.
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You guys are both grizzled veterans of this board, you know what I am talking about...

I did not talk about the masses.

Whenever we are recruiting players or have coaching changes, the same group of people criticize the program's stature in the world of college BB. "Why would they come here when they can go there..." "the U is so bad that they can't keep any players..." etc, etc... (just paraphrasing from what I remember)

The U may not have the big money boosters that it takes to win on the NIL bidding wars, but we are a B1G program that competes against some of the best teams and coaches in the country. The B1G is not a bad place to play if you want national exposure. In 2023, the Men's BB program generated the 20th most revenue in all of college BB. 8th in the B1G. And that is when attendance was very poor.

But my main point was that many programs are having problems keeping players. Something has to be done with the NIL/Portal mess.
 


alchemy2u said:
You guys are both grizzled veterans of this board, you know what I am talking about...

I did not talk about the masses.

Whenever we are recruiting players or have coaching changes, the same group of people criticize the program's stature in the world of college BB. "Why would they come here when they can go there..." "the U is so bad that they can't keep any players..." etc, etc... (just paraphrasing from what I remember)

The U may not have the big money boosters that it takes to win on the NIL bidding wars, but we are a B1G program that competes against some of the best teams and coaches in the country. The B1G is not a bad place to play if you want national exposure. In 2023, the Men's BB program generated the 20th most revenue in all of college BB. 8th in the B1G. And that is when attendance was very poor.

But my main point was that many programs are having problems keeping players. Something has to be done with the NIL/Portal mess.
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They are working on it....there is a new rule or at the least rule proposal just about every week.
We got the NCAA, the legal system, the universities, individual states of the USA, the coaches, the players and their attorneys (both past and present) and Congress all with a solution....it may take a minute.
 


DarthGopher said:
I'm not exactly sure which is worse - the players or the parents of the AAU circuit.
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In most things related to any sort of youth (pre-college) sports.....the adults are way worse then the kids.

For the most part the kids just want to play. It is the adults that make it political and strip a lot of the fun out of it.
 

60's Guy said:
They are working on it....there is a new rule or at the least rule proposal just about every week.
We got the NCAA, the legal system, the universities, individual states of the USA, the coaches, the players and their attorneys (both past and present) and Congress all with a solution....it may take a minute.
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The NCAA/the member universities are the cause of this whole situation. Being unwilling and/or unable to fix the problem of the student-athlete getting ZERO, it meant that when the courts fixed the problem, no one likes the fix.
 

GopherRock said:
The NCAA/the member universities are the cause of this whole situation. Being unwilling and/or unable to fix the problem of the student-athlete getting ZERO, it meant that when the courts fixed the problem, no one likes the fix.
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As one of my national colleagues has put it, we can either drive the bus or get run over by the bus. One way or another, the bus is pulling away and going down the road.
 

GopherRock said:
The NCAA/the member universities are the cause of this whole situation. Being unwilling and/or unable to fix the problem of the student-athlete getting ZERO, it meant that when the courts fixed the problem, no one likes the fix.
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True. But it wasn’t fixed. This was a money grab by the large schools. Pay for play keeps all but the most outstanding players in college longer and theoretically creates a better product and more revenue. They could care less about the lower level schools and barely care about non revenue athletes. We saw a good example of what they want in the final four with three outstanding games with good players and big money schools. Misssion accomplished. For now.
 

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