B1G TEN

[GopherFanatic19]

I have to say as a hardcore gopher fan and a B1G TEN fan I am dissapointed in how we performed today.

Granite, I hate every team in this league due to my love of the Gophers, But since this is considered the preseason, I am a BIG TEN fan and rooting for our conference to win and show the nation we are the best.

I cant believe we went 0-5 today and 0-3 against the SEC (Which I hate that conference and anything associated with it) and lastley we lost the Rose Bowl which is disgusting. This just goes to show that Wisconsin is not good for anything, they lost to a WAC/MWC team that is crap in my eyes just like Boise.

Inexcusable in the way the B1G TEN performed today. Now everyone will think our conference is crap again and the B1G TEN will take a bashing in the media. I think the B1G TEN is the best conference in the nation but, the way we played today is horrible and shouldnt have happened.

Needed to vent.

 

[goldengophers]

zzzzz, conference respect is gained and maintained through winning not on how the media perceives the conference.

 

[dpodoll68]

I'm trying to decide which is worse - people seriously cheering for a conference or people using this ungodly insane B1G nonsense as though it's not the worst invention in the history of marketing/branding.

"Granite", both are very silly and stupid. It's like trying to decide which of the Badgers and Hawkeyes I hate more.

 

[GopherFanatic19]

zzzzz, conference respect is gained and maintained through winning not on how the media perceives the conference.

Then our conference didnt do to good today in that respect. Winning against top 25 teams helps, not losing them.

 

[Jike Spingleton]

Granite?


First time I've ever heard that one.

 

[panndder]

 

[Zales04]

Get this schist off of the forum, come on, it's not gneiss.

(B. GeoEng, BS. Geology & Geophysics, 2004; so I know what I am talking about)

 

[GoAUpher]

Get this schist off of the forum, come on, it's not gneiss.

(B. GeoEng, BS. Geology & Geophysics, 2004; so I know what I am talking about)

And Zales comes through with an early nominee for funny post of 2011.

 

[goldengophers]

And Zales comes through with an early nominee for funny post of 2011.

He obviously knows his rocks!

 

[highwayman]

Get this schist off of the forum, come on, it's not gneiss.

(B. GeoEng, BS. Geology & Geophysics, 2004; so I know what I am talking about)

And Zales comes through with an early nominee for funny post of 2011.

He obviously knows his rocks!

And totally a nerd at the same time, in a good way.

That said, I don't pull for other Big Ten schools 99% of the time. I'm a Minnesota fan. My image of Minnesota football is not enhanced or diminished by the wins and losses of other Big Ten schools. I want to see those other 11 lose. Every time. Except against Notre Dame. Or maybe USC.

 

[Zales04]

And totally a nerd at the same time, in a good way.

That said, I don't pull for other Big Ten schools 99% of the time. I'm a Minnesota fan. My image of Minnesota football is not enhanced or diminished by the wins and losses of other Big Ten schools. I want to see those other 11 lose. Every time. Except against Notre Dame. Or maybe USC.

Thank you, thank you. I knew I would put my geology degrees to good use someday!

Anyway, I'm more upset with the national perception of the conference. It seems like everytime we make strides we do something stupid like go 0-5 on NYD bowls. I loved seeing Wisconsin lose, but at the same time I hate hearing all the gushing over non-AQ schools.

It's pointless until we take care of business on our own.

 

[Ewert86PC]

Get this schist off of the forum, come on, it's not gneiss.

(B. GeoEng, BS. Geology & Geophysics, 2004; so I know what I am talking about)

I think he is saying that GopherFanatic has rocks in his head....

 

[Lakeville Goldy]

I hate everyone saying how week the Big Ten is. But I really hate hearing the gushing over the non-AQ opponents. I think TCU would be lucky to be .500 in the Big Ten. Honestly, TCU's opponents aren't as physical and large as the average Big Ten opponent. Even a middle of the road school like Iowa or Northwestern is a lot more challenging than most of the WAC or MWC. And when you don't have to face that week in and week out you have less injuries, can play a different game because you know you aren't going to be challenged. Now with BYU going independent, Utah going to the Pac-12, TCU going to the Big East, and the other moves out West it makes both conferences weaker.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

Lakeville-

What in the world are you talking about? Did you not watch TCU beat the 7-1 tri conference champion on a neutral field 2 days ago? Come on. To say TCU would go .500 in the BT is another early nominee for 2011 preposterous statement.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

I'm trying to decide which is worse - people seriously cheering for a conference or people using this ungodly insane B1G nonsense as though it's not the worst invention in the history of marketing/branding.

"Granite", both are very silly and stupid. It's like trying to decide which of the Badgers and Hawkeyes I hate more.

Agree 100% and will add "Legends & Leaders" to the list of worst invention in the history of marketing/branding.

 

[GoAUpher]

I hate everyone saying how week the Big Ten is. But I really hate hearing the gushing over the non-AQ opponents. I think TCU would be lucky to be .500 in the Big Ten. Honestly, TCU's opponents aren't as physical and large as the average Big Ten opponent. Even a middle of the road school like Iowa or Northwestern is a lot more challenging than most of the WAC or MWC. And when you don't have to face that week in and week out you have less injuries, can play a different game because you know you aren't going to be challenged. Now with BYU going independent, Utah going to the Pac-12, TCU going to the Big East, and the other moves out West it makes both conferences weaker.

No offense, but I think AQ school fans have to learn to shut up about this nonsense once their representative loses to the non-AQ team. TCU beat everyone on their schedule including what is arguably the best team in the Big Ten. Would they have made it through a Big 10 schedule with as much success? IDK, but they beat the best the conference had to offer. They are a good team. Period. Griping otherwise just comes off as whining to me.

Guessing about how they'd do over the conference season is pointless and silly. If they can beat WI that means they can beat anyone in the conference. And as for your .500 prediction...think about the conference this season. You should have no trouble picking 5 teams that TCU could beat without too much trouble. I can come up with 7 (IU, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Michigan, PSU, MN) and a possible 8th in Iowa (with Iowa's outcome being dependent on which Iowa team showed up...the one that pasted MSU and barely lost to WI or the one the Gophers beat).

 

[station19]

Lakeville-

What in the world are you talking about? Did you not watch TCU beat the 7-1 tri conference champion on a neutral field 2 days ago? Come on. To say TCU would go .500 in the BT is another early nominee for 2011 preposterous statement.

I'm still waiting to here from tOSU Prez.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

I'm still waiting to here from tOSU Prez.

From Adam Rittenberg's blog...

Even Ohio State president E. Gordon Gee, who downplayed teams from non-AQ conferences because of their schedules, was left humbled Saturday night, telling The New York Times: "I'm going to New Orleans [Sunday], and Antoine's is a great restaurant there. I think they serve crow, and I'll be eating my portion of that."

 

[MaxyJR1]

I'm trying to decide which is worse - people seriously cheering for a conference or people using this ungodly insane B1G nonsense as though it's not the worst invention in the history of marketing/branding.

"Granite", both are very silly and stupid. It's like trying to decide which of the Badgers and Hawkeyes I hate more.

B1G and Reusse. Two things that go together, I like, and drive others on this site nuts. I will continue to use and read.

 

[GoAUpher]

B1G and Reusse. Two things that go together, I like, and drive others on this site nuts. I will continue to use and read.

The B1G thing doesn't bug me that much and I honestly think that the shorthand is one part of the whole new logo thing that might catch on better over time.

 

[MaxyJR1]

The B1G thing doesn't bug me that much and I honestly think that the shorthand is one part of the whole new logo thing that might catch on better over time.

When one texts now it is much easier when discussing Big Ten (B1G) Football.

 

[GoAUpher]

When one texts now it is much easier when discussing Big Ten (B1G) Football.

Yep, oddly enough this is one of the exact reasons I can see it catching on as time passes. It just makes for an easy shorthand. I was initially turned off b/c I was tied to the "negative space" idea embodied by the old logo and didn't get why you'd come up with a shorthand logo that goes back to referencing 10 teams. But once I got past the idea that there had to be a reference to the number of teams in the logo it was easier to appreciate how they manage to get the conference name represented in 3 characters.

 

[dpodoll68]

The B1G thing doesn't bug me that much and I honestly think that the shorthand is one part of the whole new logo thing that might catch on better over time.

BT is shorter than B1G. B10 is the same length and infinitely less lame.

 

[GophersInIowa]

It would be interesting to see what a TCU or Boise St. would do in a conference like the Big Ten. It's one thing to beat Wisconsin on a neutral field, it's another to go into Wisconsin and win. Or how about having to play Ohio St., Penn St., and Michigan St. in 3 consecutive weeks?

 

[GoAUpher]

BT is shorter than B1G. B10 is the same length and infinitely less lame.

To each their own. I understand why many don't like it. As I said, I didn't like it at first either. But I find the ability to get the all of the name (Big Ten/Big 10) fully represented visually by 3 characters. BT and B10 are just simple abbreviations. Nothing wrong with them and you'll still see me use B10. It's important to note though that they don't do what the new logo does. Again, I know you don't care about that and think its lame. I feel differently and IMO I think this is part of the change that will catch on better over time.

 

[GoAUpher]

It would be interesting to see what a TCU or Boise St. would do in a conference like the Big Ten. It's one thing to beat Wisconsin on a neutral field, it's another to go into Wisconsin and win. Or how about having to play Ohio St., Penn St., and Michigan St. in 3 consecutive weeks?

It would be very interesting. I just don't have a lot of time for folks (not you GophersInIowa, I'm thinking Lakeville here) who want to use ultimately pointless (because they are unknowable) what if's to downplay what TCU did.

Personally, I could see TCU being 7-1 in the Big Ten this season given the right circumstances. I could also see them at 5-3. I honestly don't think they'd do any worse than that.

One other thing I always find interesting. Many folks will point to TCU's size and depth and say they'd never make it through the Big Ten schedule. Thing is, if they were in the Big Ten then they'd be recruiting at a higher level and likely wouldn't have these issues.

 

[MaxyJR1]

It would be very interesting. I just don't have a lot of time for folks (not you GophersInIowa, I'm thinking Lakeville here) who want to use ultimately pointless (because they are unknowable) what if's to downplay what TCU did.

Personally, I could see TCU being 7-1 in the Big Ten this season given the right circumstances. I could also see them at 5-3. I honestly don't think they'd do any worse than that.

One other thing I always find interesting. Many folks will point to TCU's size and depth and say they'd never make it through the Big Ten schedule. Thing is, if they were in the Big Ten then they'd be recruiting at a higher level and likely wouldn't have these issues.

That is why this is an apple's to oranges argument. TCU uses their situation to the fullest. I agree that if they were in the B1G, they would have to same advantages and even more by being in Texas. They might become a Helmet school in that situation. I actually think that an SEC school would do worse in the B1G because of the weather factor.

You can't argue on schedule right now though. TCU beat 9 teams by 4 four scores. Baylor was the one BCS school they beat by four scores and we saw the B1G's 5th place (Illinois) team do the same to Baylor.

Oregon won 5 games by more than 4 scores, 3 were over BCS teams and Auburn won 4 games by more then 4 scores and only 1 was over a BCS team.

I don't have issue with TCU/Boise in the BCS Bowls, but they should rarely if at all have a shot at the National Championship game. Maybe only in the +1 system.

 

[GoAUpher]

I don't have issue with TCU/Boise in the BCS Bowls, but they should rarely if at all have a shot at the National Championship game. Maybe only in the +1 system.

It's not TCU's fault that the BCS system puts them in position to play for the national title. That said, they aren't one of the 2 best teams in the country. But if the BCS remains then a non-AQ that starts the season ranked high will always be in the running if they run the table.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

I don't have issue with TCU/Boise in the BCS Bowls, but they should rarely if at all have a shot at the National Championship game. Maybe only in the +1 system.

Right, so if TCU goes 12-0 and all the BCS conference champs have 1 or 2 losses, they should not get a shot? Far fetched? Not really a 2 loss LSU team won the BCS NC a few years ago...