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There are some serious duhs in this and a few totals that jump out. This is from 247 for years 24-20.

5 star recruit rankings:
OSU - 13
ORE - 9
USC - 5
PSU - 3
Mich - 2
Wash- 2
MD - 2
NEB - 1
WI - 1
UCLA - 1

This just shows how rare it is to get a 5*! And the numbers kind of follow with the historical records and status of the teams.

4 Star Recruits:

OSU - 88
ORE - 72
PSU - 67
Mich- 65
USC -46
UCLA-30
WI - 29
NEB -28
Wash- 28
Iowa - 21
MSU - 20
MD - 17
PUR - 15
GOPHERS - 14
RUT - 12
IND - 8
NW - 7
ILL - 5

OSU has 91 5 and 4 star players! Oregon has 81!
Mich and PSU have nearly 70. USC has only 51 which kind of surprised me. UCLA and WASH have 31 and 30. Nebby and Whisky are right around 30 and then it drop to around 20 for Iowa and Maryland.

3 Star Recruit Rankings:

MD - 102
ILL - 96
NEB - 94
RUT - 94
NW - 87
GOPHERS - 86
PUR - 83
MSU - 82
Iowa - 80
IND - 77
WI - 63
Wash - 55
Mich - 52
UCLA - 51
PSU - 46
USC -35
ORE - 31
OSU - 16!!!!!

Wow! Reverse those 3 star rankings and aside from a blip or two they are pretty close to the projected B1G finish for the season!

And for those of you wondering, here is Alabama:
5* - 28
4* - 102
3* - 13

So, it’s pretty clear the Gophers are way over their head trying to compete with the Big Boys!

Be happy with winning seasons as NIL probably makes this much worse!
 

Otis said:
There are some serious duhs in this and a few totals that jump out. This is from 247 for years 24-20.

5 star recruit rankings:
OSU - 13
ORE - 9
USC - 5
PSU - 3
Mich - 2
Wash- 2
MD - 2
NEB - 1
WI - 1
UCLA - 1

This just shows how rare it is to get a 5*! And the numbers kind of follow with the historical records and status of the teams.

4 Star Recruits:

OSU - 88
ORE - 72
PSU - 67
Mich- 65
USC -46
UCLA-30
WI - 29
NEB -28
Wash- 28
Iowa - 21
MSU - 20
MD - 17
PUR - 15
GOPHERS - 14
RUT - 12
IND - 8
NW - 7
ILL - 5

OSU has 91 5 and 4 star players! Oregon has 81!
Mich and PSU have nearly 70. USC has only 51 which kind of surprised me. UCLA and WASH have 31 and 30. Nebby and Whisky are right around 30 and then it drop to around 20 for Iowa and Maryland.

3 Star Recruit Rankings:

MD - 102
ILL - 96
NEB - 94
RUT - 94
NW - 87
GOPHERS - 86
PUR - 83
MSU - 82
Iowa - 80
IND - 77
WI - 63
Wash - 55
Mich - 52
UCLA - 51
PSU - 46
USC -35
ORE - 31
OSU - 16!!!!!

Wow! Reverse those 3 star rankings and aside from a blip or two they are pretty close to the projected B1G finish for the season!

And for those of you wondering, here is Alabama:
5* - 28
4* - 102
3* - 13

So, it’s pretty clear the Gophers are way over their head trying to compete with the Big Boys!

Be happy with winning seasons as NIL probably makes this much worse!
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The star system is nice if it translates to the team when they are on the field. Also, do not under estimate 3 stars, Marcus Mariota was a 3 star QB and he won the Heisman.
 

It's amazing how USC has done so little with so much talent. Three double digit win seasons since 2016 with teams that should be minimum ten wins a season.
 


Gophers7NatTitlesBadgers0 said:
It's amazing how USC has done so little with so much talent. Three double digit win seasons since 2016 with teams that should be minimum ten wins a season.
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Seems to be the case since Pete Carroll left. Their talent usually gives them enough for a breakthrough season here or there, happened in 2011 when they had Matt Barkley, but then they fall back down to Earth.

Gophers7NatTitlesBadgers0 said:
Andrew Luck and Johnny Manziel were also 3*.
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Always wild how those two and RGIII were missed by Mack Brown.

If you're looking for some insight in how 5 Stars turn out, I'd recommend KTO's channel, he usually has a breakdown of how the top recruits turn out. Some are great, most end up having an impact and a few of course are busts.

 



Wonder what would happen if there was a cap on the number of 5 and 4 star players each team could have.
 

Otis said:
There are some serious duhs in this and a few totals that jump out. This is from 247 for years 24-20.

5 star recruit rankings:
OSU - 13
ORE - 9
USC - 5
PSU - 3
Mich - 2
Wash- 2
MD - 2
NEB - 1
WI - 1
UCLA - 1

This just shows how rare it is to get a 5*! And the numbers kind of follow with the historical records and status of the teams.

4 Star Recruits:

OSU - 88
ORE - 72
PSU - 67
Mich- 65
USC -46
UCLA-30
WI - 29
NEB -28
Wash- 28
Iowa - 21
MSU - 20
MD - 17
PUR - 15
GOPHERS - 14
RUT - 12
IND - 8
NW - 7
ILL - 5

OSU has 91 5 and 4 star players! Oregon has 81!
Mich and PSU have nearly 70. USC has only 51 which kind of surprised me. UCLA and WASH have 31 and 30. Nebby and Whisky are right around 30 and then it drop to around 20 for Iowa and Maryland.

3 Star Recruit Rankings:

MD - 102
ILL - 96
NEB - 94
RUT - 94
NW - 87
GOPHERS - 86
PUR - 83
MSU - 82
Iowa - 80
IND - 77
WI - 63
Wash - 55
Mich - 52
UCLA - 51
PSU - 46
USC -35
ORE - 31
OSU - 16!!!!!

Wow! Reverse those 3 star rankings and aside from a blip or two they are pretty close to the projected B1G finish for the season!

And for those of you wondering, here is Alabama:
5* - 28
4* - 102
3* - 13

So, it’s pretty clear the Gophers are way over their head trying to compete with the Big Boys!

Be happy with winning seasons as NIL probably makes this much worse!
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Been that way for 50 years and we still love the team and entertainment.
 




GoDucks349 said:
The star system is nice if it translates to the team when they are on the field. Also, do not under estimate 3 stars, Marcus Mariota was a 3 star QB and he won the Heisman.
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baker mayfield was basically unranked and walked on. CFB is filled with those guys, but that said it's been shown that the star rankings do generally translate into better players more frequently. that said you still have to have the coach/system to make it happen.
 

This list helps explain why James Franklin gets called overrated. During this time he is 0-4 against OSU and 1-3 against Michigan.
OTO, it shows that Fleck was doing more with less. But then again, recruiting is part of a coach's job.
 

Those 3 star teams below us...
We had Nebraska's number lately but their fortunes are going to change starting this season.
We lose to Bert almost every time we play him.
NW embarrassingly beat us last year.
If Maryland doesn't beat us they scare us...I think we are 3 and 3 the last few years.
Rutgers has our OC and starting QB...we'll see.
Bottom line we got too many 3 stars and too few 4 stars.
Walk-ons play in the NFL along with 3 stars...it's just not a consistent thing.
Not all 4 and 5 stars develop but Alabama's record seems to suggest there is a better likelihood you'll win if your roster is stacked with them.
 

upnorthkid said:
baker mayfield was basically unranked and walked on. CFB is filled with those guys, but that said it's been shown that the star rankings do generally translate into better players more frequently. that said you still have to have the coach/system to make it happen.
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Agree. I think the star system fails more in basketball than it does in football. Primarily because you can have five 5 stars who can shoot the lights out, but you've only got one ball. Plus, someone needs to play defense. When it comes to football, players tend to have more specific rolls to play for the team and poor performance can be covered easier. Not sure this was a great explanation, hope you get my drift.
 



UMwolverine said:
This list helps explain why James Franklin gets called overrated. During this time he is 0-4 against OSU and 1-3 against Michigan.
OTO, it shows that Fleck was doing more with less. But then again, recruiting is part of a coach's job.
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There are a bunch on the list that are overrated. Fleck has been better than he has recruited but needs to up his recruiting game to escape the overrated talk.
 

PJ Fleck needs to magically get at least six more four stars than he is accustomed to. He has done a remarkable job at developing players that end up in the NFL.

He has many challenges ahead with all the transformations in D1 college football.
 


Rather than limit the # of 5 stars etc.. to level the playing field how about this system. If you win 15 games you get to scholarship 15 different players, if you win 13 games you get to scholarship 17 new players etc.. As in win only 3 games you get to scholarship 27 new players. Someone we have to limit the “rich” from getting “richer”.
 

Jack jones said:
Rather than limit the # of 5 stars etc.. to level the playing field how about this system. If you win 15 games you get to scholarship 15 different players, if you win 13 games you get to scholarship 17 new players etc.. As in win only 3 games you get to scholarship 27 new players. Someone we have to limit the “rich” from getting “richer”.
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There have been reports recently about reduced roster sizes being in the discussion.

If they said 80 players can be rostered per team that would do a lot to increase parity even with no salary structure. There has been push back about what this does to walk on programs
 


Some guy said:
There have been reports recently about reduced roster sizes being in the discussion.

If they said 80 players can be rostered per team that would do a lot to increase parity even with no salary structure. There has been push back about what this does to walk on programs
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The big NIL schools will just give these kids NIL deals equal to the value of a scholarship. It is already going on to get around scholarship limits at some schools.
 

Stars are overall a good metric, as percentage wise 5 stars have more success than 4, and 4 more than 3... etc. But one thing that is left out when looking only at stars is that there is a fairly big discrepantcy between players in a star "level". For example, to be considered a 3 star your overall prospect rating can be anywhere from 80-89. So, even if Northwestern and Minnesota have the same number of 3 star players there can be a pretty massive talent gap if Northwestern averages an 82 rating per recruit vs the Gophers averaging an 87. This also goes towards 4 stars as well. Even though Iowa has had 7 more four stars than the Gophers the overall average recruit rating for Iowa the past few years is less than a point higher than the Gophers. Stars and ratings are subjective themselves and I have to imagine there is a margin of error, so I would argue that being a point or a point and half off from our counterparts (Iowa, Wisco, Nebraska) really isn't a big deal. That being said, the average rating does show just how behind the Gophers are from the likes of Ohio St and Oregon as their average rating is over 4 points higher than ours.
 

GopherGod said:
The big NIL schools will just give these kids NIL deals equal to the value of a scholarship. It is already going on to get around scholarship limits at some schools.
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Correct. Hence the idea to limit roster size would be the thing to increase parity. X kids can practice. I don’t know what X is but I assume it is in the 75-85 range.

This would shrink roster size via eliminating walk ons and disperse talent to more places
 

Otis said:
There are some serious duhs in this and a few totals that jump out. This is from 247 for years 24-20.

5 star recruit rankings:
OSU - 13
ORE - 9
USC - 5
PSU - 3
Mich - 2
Wash- 2
MD - 2
NEB - 1
WI - 1
UCLA - 1

This just shows how rare it is to get a 5*! And the numbers kind of follow with the historical records and status of the teams.

4 Star Recruits:

OSU - 88
ORE - 72
PSU - 67
Mich- 65
USC -46
UCLA-30
WI - 29
NEB -28
Wash- 28
Iowa - 21
MSU - 20
MD - 17
PUR - 15
GOPHERS - 14
RUT - 12
IND - 8
NW - 7
ILL - 5

OSU has 91 5 and 4 star players! Oregon has 81!
Mich and PSU have nearly 70. USC has only 51 which kind of surprised me. UCLA and WASH have 31 and 30. Nebby and Whisky are right around 30 and then it drop to around 20 for Iowa and Maryland.

3 Star Recruit Rankings:

MD - 102
ILL - 96
NEB - 94
RUT - 94
NW - 87
GOPHERS - 86
PUR - 83
MSU - 82
Iowa - 80
IND - 77
WI - 63
Wash - 55
Mich - 52
UCLA - 51
PSU - 46
USC -35
ORE - 31
OSU - 16!!!!!

Wow! Reverse those 3 star rankings and aside from a blip or two they are pretty close to the projected B1G finish for the season!

And for those of you wondering, here is Alabama:
5* - 28
4* - 102
3* - 13

So, it’s pretty clear the Gophers are way over their head trying to compete with the Big Boys!

Be happy with winning seasons as NIL probably makes this much worse!
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No surprise here. Get the best players and you have the best teams more or less. Coaching can move you up or down a little, but by in large your success us based on players.
 

gopherbadgerman said:
No surprise here. Get the best players and you have the best teams more or less. Coaching can move you up or down a little, but by in large your success us based on players.
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The more I think of it Jordan Lynch made Jerry Kill’s career. Lynch holds some impressive D1 records.
 

How many of these recruits actually ended up playing for the school they committed to? In this era of massive roster churn I really don't know how much value there is in looking at the makeup of recruiting classes because a large number of those players will never play for the team they committed too anyway.

The helmet schools are going to have the best athletes, that pretty much goes without saying. Once you get beyond those schools then it is just a matter of who finds the right fits either out of high school or more likely these days out of the portal.
 

Otis said:
There are some serious duhs in this and a few totals that jump out. This is from 247 for years 24-20.

5 star recruit rankings:
OSU - 13
ORE - 9
USC - 5
PSU - 3
Mich - 2
Wash- 2
MD - 2
NEB - 1
WI - 1
UCLA - 1

This just shows how rare it is to get a 5*! And the numbers kind of follow with the historical records and status of the teams.

4 Star Recruits:

OSU - 88
ORE - 72
PSU - 67
Mich- 65
USC -46
UCLA-30
WI - 29
NEB -28
Wash- 28
Iowa - 21
MSU - 20
MD - 17
PUR - 15
GOPHERS - 14
RUT - 12
IND - 8
NW - 7
ILL - 5

OSU has 91 5 and 4 star players! Oregon has 81!
Mich and PSU have nearly 70. USC has only 51 which kind of surprised me. UCLA and WASH have 31 and 30. Nebby and Whisky are right around 30 and then it drop to around 20 for Iowa and Maryland.

3 Star Recruit Rankings:

MD - 102
ILL - 96
NEB - 94
RUT - 94
NW - 87
GOPHERS - 86
PUR - 83
MSU - 82
Iowa - 80
IND - 77
WI - 63
Wash - 55
Mich - 52
UCLA - 51
PSU - 46
USC -35
ORE - 31
OSU - 16!!!!!

Wow! Reverse those 3 star rankings and aside from a blip or two they are pretty close to the projected B1G finish for the season!

And for those of you wondering, here is Alabama:
5* - 28
4* - 102
3* - 13

So, it’s pretty clear the Gophers are way over their head trying to compete with the Big Boys!

Be happy with winning seasons as NIL probably makes this much worse!
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Gopher football fans need to get over the fact we don't get 5 star recruits. If anything NIL gives teams like the Gophers a better chance in the future they just need deeper pockets to pay recruits. They can't complete with OSU or Michigan's prestige and pedigree but if they're able to got some wealthy boosters and some of the Fortune 500s in the Twin Cities to dump loads of cash in the NIL fund they might be able to buy some recruits. Until then I'm pulling for the 3 star and a coaching staff that can develop him into an All-American.
 
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Spaulding!No! said:
The more I think of it Jordan Lynch made Jerry Kill’s career. Lynch holds some impressive D1 records.
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Jordan Lynch had 6 career pass attempts with Jerry kill as his coach?
Do you mean chandler Harnish?
 

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