B1G Championship Game - A terrible idea

There is a 100% chance I will watch this year's B1G Championship game. There is a 4% chance I will watch a "National Championship" game that features 2 SEC teams that got into the game without a playoff. I'm a Big 10 homer but i'd even have trouble watching two of "my" teams play for a nc title with no playoff.
 

How did the Big Ten Championship game make the Wisconsin/Penn State game any less important last week?

It was very important. How important was Michigan States win over Wisconsin? It was irrelevant in the B1G, because either outcome would have them playing a second game.
 


To answer the original question, I'm glad there's a B1G championship game. There are a lot of people in the states of Michigan and Wisconsin that are glad, too. I suspect if the Gophers were playing in the B1G championship game, we'd have a few more takers in the GopherHole that would view it as a good idea.

There's only 1 college football game every year that I refuse to miss. ... the Rose Bowl, even with the advent of the BCS national championship game. The Rose Bowl is still "it" for me. Now I can add a second game to that list. ... the B1G title game. I especially like the fact that in Year 1 of the title game, Michigan and Ohio State are nowhere to be seen.
 

Michigan State played their starters against Northwestern, and they already had the division title sewed up. How can this be, if this game was "meaningless"?
 


I am one who loves the regular season where 'every game counts', the conference championships, and the bowls. Yet I'd like a better resolution of who's #1. I would never be in favor of any resolution of #1 that weakens or eliminates the bowl season.

So how about the following:

- Go back to the old bowl season with a stipulation that nobody can play after January 1st . Traditional bowl alignments are put back in place (Rose = B10/P12, Fiesta = B12, Sugar = SEC, Orange = ACC). This will result in favorable treatment for conference champions and will make the conference championships effective ‘play in’ games without necessarily preventing good non-champion teams from AQ conferences from playing for a title. There are enough at large spots to also accomodate teams from non-AQ schools.
- After the bowls, the following week the top 4 ranked teams play a four team tournament for the title. These four teams don't necessarily have to be the winners of the 'BCS' bowls, but they have to be bowl game winners. The semi-final games are played at the home site of the top two seeds. This is for two reasons, first this will prevent people from skipping the big bowl games to preserve their travel dollars for the latter games. Second, I would love to see Florida play a January game in Minnesota for once instead of the reverse.
- The championship is hosted one week later on a rotating basis at a ‘super bowl’ like location.

This scenario is almost perfect, except that the top-4 teams should be the winner of the 4 BCS (Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, Orange) games. So it should be an 8 team playoff. The 8 teams should be the winners of the 6 BCS conferences, 1 non-BCS school if that school ranks in the top 10 (or 12) of the final regular season AP poll, and 1 at-large team (usually a BCS school, this year it'd be Alabama).

I am sympathetic to RailBaron's concerns about diminishing the value of the regular season, but this heightens the drama just as much - you have to win your conference to get (or be the absolute best non-conference winning school).

The absolute most important reason for having a playoff - and it's one that noone has mentioned this thread yet - is that in college football the teams do not play each other out of conference enough to get a truly accurate picture of the relative strength of the conferences. Just look at Alabama's non-conf sched this year - yes, they won at Penn St by 2 TDs, but their other games were at home against Kent St, North Texas and FCS Georgia Southern. Arkansas beat Texas A&M at home by 4 points, but also only beat Missouri St, New Mexico & Troy. LSU was a little better beating Oregon at a neutral field and at West Virginia but they also played Northwestern State and Western Kentucky. So basically we're left trying to judge the relative strength of teams by 1 non-conf game (rarely 2) and how well they beat up the rest of their conference. Overall conference strength is estimated by looking at about a dozen games. There's not enough information here to accurately decide, which is why a playoff is needed.

There's no need to scrap the bowl system, just add 2 weeks after Jan 1. Everyone's happy, except that jerk Jim Delany. I do like badgergopher's idea of having the semi-finals at the home field of the top 2 remaining teams. That would eliminate a complaint of NCAA muckety-mucks and others who have said people won't travel 3 weeks in a row (which is a valid concern). And it'd be fun to see an occaisional snowy bowl game in Columbus or Ann Arbor or (dare I say it) Minneapolis. Boy, we could really have a heating coil debate then.
 

It was very important. How important was Michigan States win over Wisconsin? It was irrelevant in the B1G, because either outcome would have them playing a second game.

I already pointed this out to you yesterday but I guess you missed it. How important was MSU's win over Wisconsin LAST YEAR (pre CTG) when Wisky jumped over them to go to the Rose Bowl? How much did the regular season matter then?
 

They wouldn't right now because if they are undefeated, they have a chance to play in the BCS championship game. Imagine this scenario if we have conference championships and a playoff. Both OSU and Michigan are 7-0 in the B1G going in to their final game against each other and have cliniched their divisions. They would already be guaranteed to play 2 weeks in a row, so why would they play their starters in a meaningless game at the end of the season?
Um, because it's THE GAME? I e-mailed this to my OSU and Michigan buddies and both of them came back with replies that boiled down to "WTF? Is this guy serious?" Michigan and Ohio State consider that one game to be a whole season. It's why the fans of a 10-2 team rushed the field for beating a 6-6 team.

You'll have to try a little harder if you want the "sitting the starters" thing to stick. Also, let's try to keep in mind that this is college not the NFL. Concepts regarding culture do not automatically transfer.
 

Really? Prove it. Seriously. The NFL used to have bitter rivals. Games the teams cared about winning more than anything. I can promise you there have been examples of starters sitting in "big rivalry games" in the NFl late in the season when playoffs spot and/or home field advantage were clinched.

Howbout this... in the last year we've seen historic rivalries like Texas/Texas A&M, Kansas/Missouri, Pitt/West Virginia, Nebraska/Oklahoma, and more die off. But THE FANS WON'T STAND FOR IT!!! Wait, it happened anyway. MN is no longer playing Wisconsin or Iowa for its last or second to last regular season game. Our final away game was Northwestern, our final home was Illinois. Great.

The same people who love the NFL and follow it and watch it on TV are the same people college football is now going after. If a playoff system existed with 8, 12, 16, ++ teams, I guarantee you over time (not RIGHT away.. over many years) people, teams, fans, schools, etc would care LESS about beating their rival or winning their last game if it meant not injuring a player. Scenario: Wisconsin is 11-0 heading in to last game against a 2-9 MN team. They are ranked #1 in the country. A loss would set them back to a #3-4 BCS ranking, but they're pretty confident they can beat MN anyway with starters sitting the whole game or playing maybe 1 quarter. What do you think will start to happen?

Another scenario... LSU and Bama played each other 2 weeks after they already had. Ranked #1 and #2 respectively. A loss for either one means a slight drop (read: maybe 1 to 2 spots at MOST since the strength of the team you lose to means your computer rating barely takes a hit.. see Bama this season after the LSU loss). Why would you risk playing/injuring your starters if you'd still be guaranteed home field advantage until the championship game???

I get what you worry about, but college isn't the NFL. Your example of end of year rivalry games is flawed. You know why? It's too Gopher-centric. Wisky and Iowa fans were already accustomed to not playing a rival every season. In the years we played Iowa last Wisconsin would play a non-rival (Cal Poly anyone?). The reverse is true. The rivalry game sting was a problem FOR US AS GOPHER FANS. So yea, we as Gopher fans got the short end of the stick. But the end of season rivalry game has not and will never be an eternal truth across college FB.

Might some schools sit starters, even in a rivalary game? Sure, I suppose so. Would the coaching staff survive that decision if they lost? Something tells me no. You need to recognize that college is not the NFL. There may be some sad similarities when it comes to chasing money, but on the whole they are not comparable culturally in many ways.
 



I already pointed this out to you yesterday but I guess you missed it. How important was MSU's win over Wisconsin LAST YEAR (pre CTG) when Wisky jumped over them to go to the Rose Bowl? How much did the regular season matter then?

Just for clarification, they did not jump over Michigan State because there was a three way tie. Clearly MSU should not have gone because Ohio State beat them and they both had only one loss. I did not hear many Spartans fans making that argument.
 

I already pointed this out to you yesterday but I guess you missed it. How important was MSU's win over Wisconsin LAST YEAR (pre CTG) when Wisky jumped over them to go to the Rose Bowl? How much did the regular season matter then?

It mattered a LOT. Michigan State will forever be the 2010 Big Ten Co-Champion. What you're arguing about is the selection process for the Rose Bowl, which is a whole different discussion.
 

Um, because it's THE GAME? I e-mailed this to my OSU and Michigan buddies and both of them came back with replies that boiled down to "WTF? Is this guy serious?" Michigan and Ohio State consider that one game to be a whole season. It's why the fans of a 10-2 team rushed the field for beating a 6-6 team.

It's the "Game" because for 100 years they have only played it 1 time per year. That's your wrong assumption, that because it's been "Big" in the past it will forever be that way, no matter how many times they play each other. If you think that playing for Floyd would be as special if we played them 5 times each fall and exchanged the trophy every other week, I really don't know what to tell you...
 

It's the "Game" because for 100 years they have only played it 1 time per year. That's your wrong assumption, that because it's been "Big" in the past it will forever be that way, no matter how many times they play each other. If you think that playing for Floyd would be as special if we played them 5 times each fall and exchanged the trophy every other week, I really don't know what to tell you...

Your wrong assumption is that people will cease to care about it in the event that both Michigan and Ohio State both have clinched their respective divisions. There have been many times that teams have had the Big Ten wrapped up going into the final week. Did they throw the game because it somehow didn't matter?
 



It's the "Game" because for 100 years they have only played it 1 time per year. That's your wrong assumption, that because it's been "Big" in the past it will forever be that way, no matter how many times they play each other. If you think that playing for Floyd would be as special if we played them 5 times each fall and exchanged the trophy every other week, I really don't know what to tell you...

And yet I have yet to hear any concerns like this from the OSU or Michigan fanbases. Perhaps it's because they are able to figure out that any rivalry where one HC calls the other school "Ohio" just to piss them off is not going to see a coach sit his starters (at least, not if he wants to keep his job).
 

It mattered a LOT. Michigan State will forever be the 2010 Big Ten Co-Champion. What you're arguing about is the selection process for the Rose Bowl, which is a whole different discussion.
It is different in some respects, but your point is that a CTG means the regular season suddenly doesn't matter. Yet, in the previous those results already mattered very little when it comes to a key part of being in the B1G...the Rose Bowl. What I am saying is that you are foolishly painting this in black and white terms when in reality every system has it's flaws. For instance, you seem to celebrate a system where 3 teams can be co-champion. I'd argue that system is kind of dumb. It was an easier system for the Gophers to win a title, but it is still messy.

It's cool that you don't like the CTG. But it's existence didn't suddenly mean that the regular season stopped mattering.
 

Just for clarification, they did not jump over Michigan State because there was a three way tie. Clearly MSU should not have gone because Ohio State beat them and they both had only one loss. I did not hear many Spartans fans making that argument.
I know that. His point is that all regular season games mattered under the old way. I heard plenty of Spartan fans complain that they were screwed out of a RB berth b/c of the BCS rankings. They wouldn't have complained if OSU went b/c OSU beat them. They complained about Wisky going.
 

Point 1: which is exactly why teams that put together an amazing year shouldn't have to prove it any further. 8 teams means 3 additional games. That's why an amazing regular season is so hard to achieve and should be rewarded. Not an amazing 3-4 game stretch in the playoffs. Wisconsin is a VERY good team this year. GREAT/AMAZING teams don't lose to a 6 win Ohio State team AND lose to Michigan State.

That's fine if every year there was a clear-cut #1 and #2 team. But that rarely is the case. What happens when three teams go undefeated? Or there are no undefeated teams and a bunch of one loss teams? There isn't always a clear-cut team(s) that should be "rewarded".
 

Point 1: which is exactly why teams that put together an amazing year shouldn't have to prove it any further. 8 teams means 3 additional games. That's why an amazing regular season is so hard to achieve and should be rewarded. Not an amazing 3-4 game stretch in the playoffs. Wisconsin is a VERY good team this year. GREAT/AMAZING teams don't lose to a 6 win Ohio State team AND lose to Michigan State.
Thats fair and I totally respect that point. For arguments stake I will say this then. Great/Amazing teams don't lose their biggest game of the year at home. Sorry Alabama, Stanford, and Virginia Tech you lost your chance at a National Title. Oklahoma St, you lost in Ames Iowa??? Boise State got upset by a 9-2 team that is coming off of a BCS Bowl Game win, sorry you are out of the title chase. Houston, your ranked 6th, sorry you haven't lost a game this year. Your conference sucks and you don't get any respect for going undefeated. We have no need for a bowl game. LSU is National Champions.

Also if it is so easy to make a call between #2 and #3, what do you do in 2004. Oklahoma and LSU go to the National Championship game dispite USC being ranked #1 in the AP and the Coaches poll? Also, in all seriousness. The current system is setup to reward the best two teams against the hardest comeptiton. I agree 100% with you. The problem is that the system doesn't work and it seems like yearly there is some sort of controversy.
 

Bottom line is this: No system is perfect. A playoff system favors teams that get hot at the end of the year. I like the fact that college football has been different from every other sport in that it does a better job of recognizing the whole season as oppposed to just the playoffs. Take the New York Giants when they beat an 18-0 New England team in the Super Bowl. New England was the best team that season, the Giants just happened to win the re-match at the end of the year.
 

Bottom line is this: No system is perfect. A playoff system favors teams that get hot at the end of the year. I like the fact that college football has been different from every other sport in that it does a better job of recognizing the whole season as oppposed to just the playoffs. Take the New York Giants when they beat an 18-0 New England team in the Super Bowl. New England was the best team that season, the Giants just happened to win the re-match at the end of the year.

Right there is the best line in this whole thread.
 

From Shooter:

"Ex-Gophers football coach Tim Brewster will be sideline reporter for Fox TV's coverage of Saturday night's Big Ten championship game between Michigan State and Wisconsin in Indianapolis. Another former Minnesota coach, Glen Mason, will be part of the Big Ten Network's social media coverage from Indianapolis on Saturday morning"
 

Thats fair and I totally respect that point. For arguments stake I will say this then. Great/Amazing teams don't lose their biggest game of the year at home. Sorry Alabama, Stanford, and Virginia Tech you lost your chance at a National Title. Oklahoma St, you lost in Ames Iowa??? Boise State got upset by a 9-2 team that is coming off of a BCS Bowl Game win, sorry you are out of the title chase. Houston, your ranked 6th, sorry you haven't lost a game this year. Your conference sucks and you don't get any respect for going undefeated. We have no need for a bowl game. LSU is National Champions.

Also if it is so easy to make a call between #2 and #3, what do you do in 2004. Oklahoma and LSU go to the National Championship game dispite USC being ranked #1 in the AP and the Coaches poll? Also, in all seriousness. The current system is setup to reward the best two teams against the hardest comeptiton. I agree 100% with you. The problem is that the system doesn't work and it seems like yearly there is some sort of controversy.

I didn't say it's always easy to tell #2 from #3. What I think, on average, is that it's usually a sharper drop-off from 2 to 3 or 3 to 4 than it is from 12 to 13, 15 to 16, etc. Which is why I think it's a slippery slope to have 8, 16, 32 team playoffs because the discussion of who gets in is actually tougher and then dilutes the playing field for a championship. Yes, I agree with you the system has it's flaws because without a strong inter-conference schedule its tough to tell which teams and schedules are hardest based on a few data points (ex. MN vs USC, LSU vs Oregon, etc etc) - a couple data points doesn't necessarily mean one conference is that much tougher than another every season. However that is part of the fun to me. Polls matter; people watch each week and see how the humans and computers shake out. How scheduling weak non-conference games (ahem Wisconsin) can keep you out of a top 5 season with a loss or 2 whereas LSU scheduling both West Virginia AND Oregon then winning means even a loss would put them at #2. Yes, the system doesn't work but only because people want to see a playoff system, not because playoffs actually crown the best team in the country. That's my argument. Last year a 10-6 Packers team that didn't even win its own division won the Superbowl. Were they a good team at the end of the year? Yes. Have they proved this year that the playoff run maybe wasn't a fluke? Yes. But last year, they were not the best team in the NFL.

GoAUGopher: I agree that culturally college and pro football are much different. But are we really so naive to think that it couldn't, won't, or ISN'T already changing? Look at our own board and see that there are plenty of people in favor of paying players - a complete departure from everything that college football is. If rivalries are so important to schools, fans, coaches.. I don't see how people can overlook teams ditching 100+ year rivals for a slightly better monetary situation. How is it any different to say "this years matchup against Main Rival U isn't worth injuring starters and jeopardizing the big money that can come from a national championship run in the playoffs." ?? I'm not saying it will happen over night. And no, perhaps you're right that the Michigan-OSU game will forever mean something. Maybe a select few others. But if you had told me that Kansas-Mizzou, Nebraska-Oklahoma, Pitt-WV, and Texas-aTm wouldn't be playing yearly just 14 months ago, I would have called you silly. I also think it's odd that the paying of players up to $2,000 happened SO fast at the NCAA. It is a legitimate concern and clearly conferences, schools, athletic departments aren't fighting hard enough to affect anything.

And yes, the end of year rivalry thing is a sting at Gopher fans such as myself. But that doesn't mean it isn't an indication of a larger problem - the B1G clearly recognized that tv revenue and relevance were bigger than allowing team 1 to play team 2 in historical rivalry at the end of the season. Hence PSU-Wisc and Iowa-Neb. And no, Iowa was always our last home or away game. Wisconsin was TYPICALLY our last at home and not as much in Camp Randall. Regardless, NW and Ill are not what we'd like to see.

Again, these are my opinions. If they implemented a playoff I'd probably watch since I watch college hockey playoffs, March Madness, etc. But I prefer the system of selecting the top 2 teams based on body of work. Would 4 be acceptable to me? Yes, I've said that before as I think 95+% of the time the top 4 ranked teams include the best team in the country.
 

GoAUGopher: I agree that culturally college and pro football are much different. But are we really so naive to think that it couldn't, won't, or ISN'T already changing? Look at our own board and see that there are plenty of people in favor of paying players - a complete departure from everything that college football is. If rivalries are so important to schools, fans, coaches.. I don't see how people can overlook teams ditching 100+ year rivals for a slightly better monetary situation. How is it any different to say "this years matchup against Main Rival U isn't worth injuring starters and jeopardizing the big money that can come from a national championship run in the playoffs." ?? I'm not saying it will happen over night. And no, perhaps you're right that the Michigan-OSU game will forever mean something. Maybe a select few others. But if you had told me that Kansas-Mizzou, Nebraska-Oklahoma, Pitt-WV, and Texas-aTm wouldn't be playing yearly just 14 months ago, I would have called you silly. I also think it's odd that the paying of players up to $2,000 happened SO fast at the NCAA. It is a legitimate concern and clearly conferences, schools, athletic departments aren't fighting hard enough to affect anything.
I agree, things are definitely changing. But comparing a whole school choosing to switch conferences (particularily when you're talking about a B12 or Big East school) in order to give themselves a much more stable and tenable long term conference slot to sitting starters in a rivalry game is really stretching it.

There are limits to what people will accept. Just look at the universal backlash to trying to move the date of The Game.

And yes, the end of year rivalry thing is a sting at Gopher fans such as myself. But that doesn't mean it isn't an indication of a larger problem - the B1G clearly recognized that tv revenue and relevance were bigger than allowing team 1 to play team 2 in historical rivalry at the end of the season. Hence PSU-Wisc and Iowa-Neb. And no, Iowa was always our last home or away game. Wisconsin was TYPICALLY our last at home and not as much in Camp Randall. Regardless, NW and Ill are not what we'd like to see.
My only point was that you were using our loss as Gopher fans to try to illustrate a much bigger point. All I was saying was that an end of year rivalry game is not a universal truth in college sports and that our 2 biggest rivals are great examples of that (as they never played rivals in the years they weren't facing us in the regular season game).

Things change. Change is hard. And given the constant threat of the almighty dollar to changing college sports it is important to be vigiliant for bad ideas. But to pretend that blood feud rivalries are at risk of seeing teams coast by and sit their starters is a freakout too far.
 

Just for clarification, they did not jump over Michigan State because there was a three way tie. Clearly MSU should not have gone because Ohio State beat them and they both had only one loss. I did not hear many Spartans fans making that argument.

That's not correct, GV. There's a reason you didn't hear any Spartan fans making that argument. Michigan State didn't play Ohio State. Sparty's loss was to Iowa. Of the 3 teams that tied for the title, the records vs. other teams in the tie were:

Michigan State (1-0)
Wisconsin (1-1)
Ohio State (0-1)

That was Spartan fans' argument, and a valid one, IMO. In that scenario, sure seems to me like the 1 team that didn't lose to either of the other two would be the one most worthy of the Rose Bowl berth. Since as far back as I can remember, pretty much in any sport head-to-head is always the first tiebreaker.

As a reference point, if this were a tiebreaker for seeding in the B1G basketball tournament, Sparty would have been #1, the Badgers #2 and the Buckeyes #3. But the B1G football coaches (except for Dantonio, the lone dissenter in a 10-1 vote) voted to determine the Rose Bowl rep with the best BCS ranking (based on poll voting & computers) instead of the results on the field when they played each other.

A story from a year ago. ...

Cruel Irony: Mark Dantonio Was Lone Coach That Voted Against BigTen/BCS Tiebreaker
by Ryan Weiss • Dec 4, 2010 7:03 PM EST

Back in 2009, Big Ten football coaches took a vote to decide who would get the conference's Rose Bowl bid should all the tied teams have the same overall record and not played head-to-head.

The vote was 10-1 in favor of the current system that gives the Rose Bowl bid to the highest ranked BCS team. The lone dissenter? Michigan State's Mark Dantonio.

"It was a 10-1 vote, you know who voted against it," Dantonio said. "You’re looking at him."

Perhaps it was a little bit of foreshadowing of the BCS mess that was to come. MSU would have made the Rose Bowl under the old system, which eliminates the team that made the Rose Bowl most recently. That would have meant Ohio State, which defeated Oregon last year, was out. MSU would have then won the tie with Wisconsin due to their 34-24 victory over the Badgers.

Dantonio didn't understand why the coaches wanted to depend upon computers and voters to make the decision for them, a sentiment that is shared by many who dislike the BCS system.

Dantonio said he voted against using BCS rankings because he doesn't believe the Big Ten should "outsource such decisions to voters and computers."
 

I didn't say it's always easy to tell #2 from #3. What I think, on average, is that it's usually a sharper drop-off from 2 to 3 or 3 to 4 than it is from 12 to 13, 15 to 16, etc. Which is why I think it's a slippery slope to have 8, 16, 32 team playoffs because the discussion of who gets in is actually tougher and then dilutes the playing field for a championship. Yes, I agree with you the system has it's flaws because without a strong inter-conference schedule its tough to tell which teams and schedules are hardest based on a few data points (ex. MN vs USC, LSU vs Oregon, etc etc) - a couple data points doesn't necessarily mean one conference is that much tougher than another every season. However that is part of the fun to me. Polls matter; people watch each week and see how the humans and computers shake out. How scheduling weak non-conference games (ahem Wisconsin) can keep you out of a top 5 season with a loss or 2 whereas LSU scheduling both West Virginia AND Oregon then winning means even a loss would put them at #2. Yes, the system doesn't work but only because people want to see a playoff system, not because playoffs actually crown the best team in the country. That's my argument. Last year a 10-6 Packers team that didn't even win its own division won the Superbowl. Were they a good team at the end of the year? Yes. Have they proved this year that the playoff run maybe wasn't a fluke? Yes. But last year, they were not the best team in the NFL.

You have good points. This is always such a good talker because everyone has good points for both sides. If there is ever a playoff system in college I hope it never goes above 8 teams. I think the +1 game is the best in my opinion. I brought up the 04 season just because it was that rare year. It seems like every year there is anywhere from 3-5 elite teams and after that it is a lot of 'really good' teams.

Either way this is always my favorite debate in college football.
 

I see the advantages to both sides, for sure, but in the end I'd be for an 8-team playoff. As conferences exist right now, certainly the ACC, B1G, Big 12, Pac 12 and SEC champions should receive autotmatic qualification. How they select the other 3 teams (similar to basketball's Selection Committee?), that's up to the movers & shakers in big-time college football.

What it would amount to is:

(1) 2 teams will play 2 extra games (the finalists)

(2) 2 teams will play 1 extra game (semifinal losers)

(3) The 4 quarterfinal losers would play the same amount of games but at least had their shot at a national title

(4) The smorgasboard of bowls can still exist, and be valued. As it is right now, all the bowls outside the BCS (and some would argue all the bowls outside the BCS title game) are the rough equivalent of basketball's NIT (no chance for the national title, but a chance for more practice time & to play another game(s)). The bowls will still have their place.

Just doesn't seem like that difficult of a decision to make.
 

I see the advantages to both sides, for sure, but in the end I'd be for an 8-team playoff. As conferences exist right now, certainly the ACC, B1G, Big 12, Pac 12 and SEC champions should receive autotmatic qualification. How they select the other 3 teams (similar to basketball's Selection Committee?), that's up to the movers & shakers in big-time college football.

What it would amount to is:

(1) 2 teams will play 2 extra games (the finalists)

(2) 2 teams will play 1 extra game (semifinal losers)

(3) The 4 quarterfinal losers would play the same amount of games but at least had their shot at a national title

(4) The smorgasboard of bowls can still exist, and be valued. As it is right now, all the bowls outside the BCS (and some would argue all the bowls outside the BCS title game) are the rough equivalent of basketball's NIT (no chance for the national title, but a chance to play another game(s)). The bowls will still have their place.

Just doesn't seem like that difficult of a decision to make.

Yup, been sayin that myself.

I you don't have a playoff dump the bcs and return to the bowl games of yesteryear.
 

That's not correct, GV. There's a reason you didn't hear any Spartan fans making that argument. Michigan State didn't play Ohio State. Sparty's loss was to Iowa. Of the 3 teams that tied for the title, the records vs. other teams in the tie were:

Michigan State (1-0)
Wisconsin (1-1)
Ohio State (0-1)

That was Spartan fans' argument, and a valid one, IMO. In that scenario, sure seems to me like the 1 team that didn't lose to either of the other two would be the one most worthy of the Rose Bowl berth. Since as far back as I can remember, pretty much in any sport head-to-head is always the first tiebreaker.

As a reference point, if this were a tiebreaker for seeding in the B1G basketball tournament, Sparty would have been #1, the Badgers #2 and the Buckeyes #3. But the B1G football coaches (except for Dantonio, the lone dissenter in a 10-1 vote) voted to determine the Rose Bowl rep with the best BCS ranking (based on poll voting & computers) instead of the results on the field.

A story from a year ago. ...

Cruel Irony: Mark Dantonio Was Lone Coach That Voted Against BigTen/BCS Tiebreaker
by Ryan Weiss • Dec 4, 2010 7:03 PM EST

Back in 2009, Big Ten football coaches took a vote to decide who would get the conference's Rose Bowl bid should all the tied teams have the same overall record and not played head-to-head.

The vote was 10-1 in favor of the current system that gives the Rose Bowl bid to the highest ranked BCS team. The lone dissenter? Michigan State's Mark Dantonio.

"It was a 10-1 vote, you know who voted against it," Dantonio said. "You’re looking at him."

Perhaps it was a little bit of foreshadowing of the BCS mess that was to come. MSU would have made the Rose Bowl under the old system, which eliminates the team that made the Rose Bowl most recently. That would have meant Ohio State, which defeated Oregon last year, was out. MSU would have then won the tie with Wisconsin due to their 34-24 victory over the Badgers.

Dantonio didn't understand why the coaches wanted to depend upon computers and voters to make the decision for them, a sentiment that is shared by many who dislike the BCS system.

Dantonio said he voted against using BCS rankings because he doesn't believe the Big Ten should "outsource such decisions to voters and computers."

Sorry about that. Not sure why I thought they played OSU.

I don't really see a fair way of doing it in a three way tie where all the teams don't play each other. Someone is always going to be unhappy.

I guess they have the chance to earn it tomorrow.
 

I see the advantages to both sides, for sure, but in the end I'd be for an 8-team playoff. As conferences exist right now, certainly the ACC, B1G, Big 12, Pac 12 and SEC champions should receive autotmatic qualification. How they select the other 3 teams (similar to basketball's Selection Committee?), that's up to the movers & shakers in big-time college football.

What it would amount to is:

(1) 2 teams will play 2 extra games (the finalists)

(2) 2 teams will play 1 extra game (semifinal losers)

(3) The 4 quarterfinal losers would play the same amount of games but at least had their shot at a national title

(4) The smorgasboard of bowls can still exist, and be valued. As it is right now, all the bowls outside the BCS (and some would argue all the bowls outside the BCS title game) are the rough equivalent of basketball's NIT (no chance for the national title, but a chance for more practice time & to play another game(s)). The bowls will still have their place.

Just doesn't seem like that difficult of a decision to make.

This plan makes far too much sense.

The people in charge must be making a lot of side cash for this relatively simple thing to keep not happening.
 





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