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Sparlimb said:
My buddy and his kid went this week because they bought ten buck tickets at the state fair. I'm of the mind that ten bucks, which is nothing to me, is too much for Ind St and a 11 am game. Even freaking homecoming is 11 am. I'm going, because it's homecoming. But figure out how to get out of the 11 am slot for homecoming.
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With that outlook, glad you didn't/don't go. Pretty sure your buddy and kid had a great time.
 


Sparlimb said:
My buddy and his kid went this week because they bought ten buck tickets at the state fair. I'm of the mind that <b>ten bucks, which is nothing to me, </b>is too much for Ind St and a 11 am game. Even freaking homecoming is 11 am. I'm going, because it's homecoming. But figure out how to get out of the 11 am slot for homecoming.
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Wow! Very impressive.


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Sparlimb said:
My buddy and his kid went this week because they bought ten buck tickets at the state fair. I'm of the mind that ten bucks, which is nothing to me, is too much for Ind St and a 11 am game. Even freaking homecoming is 11 am. I'm going, because it's homecoming. But figure out how to get out of the 11 am slot for homecoming.
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I don't know but you could ask Gov DayDreamer.
 



I agree with the comment of the quality of the game 'experience' is not improving...although we do have beer now which was pretty big in my mind but the replays from last year(s)? why? stupid! And yes, the announcer is getting dementia or something-can't get the names right and 3 times this past weekend didn't say RAH? WTF?
 

Ruggers said:
I agree with the comment of the quality of the game 'experience' is not improving...although we do have beer now which was pretty big in my mind but the replays from last year(s)? why? stupid! And yes, the announcer is getting dementia or something-can't get the names right and 3 times this past weekend didn't say RAH? WTF?
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Someone posted that we had the B team board production staff at the first game.

This past week the big board was managed way better.
 

I was in Little Rock for a wedding and I visited the Arkansas State Capitol. They had a lot of Razorback merchandise in the capitol gift shop. Here in Minnesota, if you're a visitor, you might be unaware the University even exists, let alone the Gophers.
 

ruppertflywheel said:
Let's look at the current status. and live in the here and now. If they want crowds of at least 40,000 for the next two games they should continue to let freshmen in FREE!.
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It would be a nice thing to do. Logistically what do they do, refund those frosh who bought season tickets, and have specifically designated "freshman" tickets printed?

Iowa is after CSU...pretty sure the stadium will be packed for that one. If they continue to win, they'll do fine for the rest of the B1G home games.
 



PMWinSTP said:
It would be a nice thing to do. Logistically what do they do, refund those frosh who bought season tickets, and have specifically designated "freshman" tickets printed?

Iowa is after CSU...pretty sure the stadium will be packed for that one. If they continue to win, they'll do fine for the rest of the B1G home games.
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yeah if they just let in the freshman, upperclassmen would not be incredibly impressed i would say
 


In a lot of metro areas that have both a major college and an NFL team, the interest in the NCAA team tends to pale in comparison - e.g. Miami, Atlanta, Chicago. In DFW, TCU has made strides with their recent success. All of those examples are with private schools, however, with somewhat lower enrollment in comparison to the U. Metro areas with comparably sized state flagship schools and an NFL team would be DC (Maryland), Pittsburgh (Pitt), Phoenix (ASU), Oakland (Cal), and Seattle (UW). The one metro area on that list that also has at least as much cultural attraction as the Twin Cities yet manages to support both NCAA and NFL teams is Seattle. Granted, Washington has had more success than the Gophers, but they haven't won their conference in several years (if memory serves). Why can they do it and virtually no one else can?

I do not buy that people in Mankato, St. Cloud, and Duluth refuse to support gopher football because of their hockey programs' rivalry.

Also in regards to Iowa State, Des Moines - a metro of over a half million people - is within about a 40-minute drive or so.
 

formerlybis said:
In a lot of metro areas that have both a major college and an NFL team, the interest in the NCAA team tends to pale in comparison - e.g. Miami, Atlanta, Chicago. In DFW, TCU has made strides with their recent success. All of those examples are with private schools, however, with somewhat lower enrollment in comparison to the U. Metro areas with comparably sized state flagship schools and an NFL team would be DC (Maryland), Pittsburgh (Pitt), Phoenix (ASU), Oakland (Cal), and Seattle (UW). The one metro area on that list that also has at least as much cultural attraction as the Twin Cities yet manages to support both NCAA and NFL teams is Seattle. Granted, Washington has had more success than the Gophers, but they haven't won their conference in several years (if memory serves). Why can they do it and virtually no one else can?

I do not buy that people in Mankato, St. Cloud, and Duluth refuse to support gopher football because of their hockey programs' rivalry.

Also in regards to Iowa State, Des Moines - a metro of over a half million people - is within about a 40-minute drive or so.
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Washington has had considerably more recent success than the Gophers. They won a national championship as recently as 1991; they won a conference championship in 2000. They were very good throughout the 80s and 90s, and several generations of current Husky fans grew up with competitive teams.

The 2000s haven't been as kind, but they're back in the top 10 now.
 



Hates Monikers said:
Washington has had considerably more recent success than the Gophers. They won a national championship as recently as 1991; they won a conference championship in 2000. They were very good throughout the 80s and 90s, and several generations of current Husky fans grew up with competitive teams.

The 2000s haven't been as kind, but they're back in the top 10 now.
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Well, competitiveness helps, but I'm not sure it's the entire explanation. ASU & Cal have been competitive (especially ASU). The stadium is in a cool setting (you can take a boat there) in Seattle which also helps make going to the games a special event. However, it seems like more is going on. This is more subjective, but the average Seattle-ite and Washingtonian just connects with Husky football - it's ingrained. And they're gaga over the Seahawks, too, probably moreso than Minnesotans are with the Vikes.
 

formerlybis said:
Well, competitiveness helps, but I'm not sure it's the entire explanation. ASU & Cal have been competitive (especially ASU). The stadium is in a cool setting (you can take a boat there) in Seattle which also helps make going to the games a special event. However, it seems like more is going on. This is more subjective, but the average Seattle-ite and Washingtonian just connects with Husky football - it's ingrained. And they're gaga over the Seahawks, too, probably moreso than Minnesotans are with the Vikes.
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I'm not sure I buy any of that.

Cal was pretty mediocre going back to the 1960s until they had some good years with Tedford in the early 2000s. The same is mostly true of ASU since the 1980s, although they've thrown in more random good seasons. Graham has them going well now.

I think the Seattle-ite conncts with Husky football because they've been mostly good. The Seahawks? Were their fans crazy for them in the 80s and 90s before they became good? I'd like to see those stats.
 

Seahawks fans have been passionate throughout their history. The 12th man has been their thing.

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Rog said:
Is the reason our attendance is low compared to many of the other B10 schools ie Iowa and Nebraska. is because of the
many pro teams here. This seems to be the main excuse but sometimes i wonder if there isn't other (important) reasons also.
Yes Iowa right now is doing well on the field but their attendance has always been better than ours. Iowa does have a div 1 state college
to contend with and their staate population is much smaller than Minnesota.

The quality of the team (wins and losses) does have a bearing on attendance: ie purdue and Ill.
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I live in Nebraska now (unfortunately) and all these rednecks have to live for his Cornholer football. There is a reason that when they lose the suicide rate goes up the following day. There are few lakes, no pro teams, nothing. I can't wait to move after I retire.
 

formerlybis said:
Well, competitiveness helps, but I'm not sure it's the entire explanation. ASU & Cal have been competitive (especially ASU). The stadium is in a cool setting (you can take a boat there) in Seattle which also helps make going to the games a special event. However, it seems like more is going on. This is more subjective, but the average Seattle-ite and Washingtonian just connects with Husky football - it's ingrained. And they're gaga over the Seahawks, too, probably moreso than Minnesotans are with the Vikes.
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Seattle does not have pro hockey or basketball. I would disagree with your assessment that they are more "gaga" over Seahawks than Vikes fans. They definitely draw far and wide for their fan base, though, being the only team in that region. Huskies struggled in the 2000s in attendance.
 


formerlybis said:
I do not buy that people in Mankato, St. Cloud, and Duluth refuse to support gopher football because of their hockey programs' rivalry.
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I wouldn't be so sure... People that support those schools hate the Gophers because of the hockey team. At least a couple also have football programs that are nationally competitive at their levels, which is fun even if it's not FBS.
 

PMWinSTP said:
Seattle does not have pro hockey or basketball. I would disagree with your assessment that they are more "gaga" over Seahawks than Vikes fans. They definitely draw far and wide for their fan base, though, being the only team in that region. Huskies struggled in the 2000s in attendance.
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For a team that was finishing at the bottom of their conference and even going winless one year in the mid '00s, they were still drawing over 60k (capacity was low 70s). Seattle, of course, did have the Sonics before they went to OKC, but that's besides the point. The seasons don't overlap as much in the other sports anyway.

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formerlybis said:
Seahawks fans have been passionate throughout their history. The 12th man has been their thing.

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False. Seahawks fans have not always been passionate throughout their history.
 

Mvgopher said:
And borrowed from Texas A&M
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Who borrowed it from.. the University of Minnesota. The first known reference to the fans as the 12th Man is from Minnesota Magazine, September 1900. Texas A&M likes to sue people over their trademark of 12th Man, but it's a widespread sports term that predates their use of it. I don't think the adoption of the slogan by Seahawks fans indicates that they are bigger fans of their team than anyone else is.

https://books.google.com/books?id=5b4NAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA32#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_man_(football)
 

We got off track. Regardless of who's a bigger fan of their NFL team, the central thesis still holds - Seattle has been able to admirably support both NFL and NCAA football teams, at least moreso than Minnesota has. I do not believe there is nothing else to do in Seattle. I do not believe the lack of NHL hockey has anything to do with it, nor NBA team since the support for football was the same when they had the Sonics.
 

formerlybis said:
We got off track. Regardless of who's a bigger fan of their NFL team, the central thesis still holds - Seattle has been able to admirably support both NFL and NCAA football teams, at least moreso than Minnesota has. I do not believe there is nothing else to do in Seattle. I do not believe the lack of NHL hockey has anything to do with it, nor NBA team since the support for football was the same when they had the Sonics.
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Right, but your point was that they have been willing to support their teams without the teams having much success. (You also noted that it's about the only city that can make that claim.) What we've been debating is that the Huskies HAVE had long-term success and that the Seahawks weren't really supported like they are now until they became much better.

If you win, and keep winning, people will come.
 

Hates Monikers said:
Right, but your point was that they have been willing to support their teams without the teams having much success. (You also noted that it's about the only city that can make that claim.) What we've been debating is that the Huskies HAVE had long-term success and that the Seahawks weren't really supported like they are now until they became much better.

If you win, and keep winning, people will come.
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Fyi, the Seahawks have sold out every game but one since 2003, according to a article I just searched. Don't know about before that, but the Kingdome was always one of the loudest venues. I don't remember a time when Seahawks fans didn't support their team.

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formerlybis said:
Fyi, the Seahawks have sold out every game but one since 2003, according to a article I just searched. Don't know about before that, but the Kingdome was always one of the loudest venues. I don't remember a time when Seahawks fans didn't support their team.

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I hate to keep belaboring the point, but the Seahawks moved into a new stadium in 2002 and have made the playoffs in 10 of the 13 seasons since -- and played in three Super Bowls. Of course they're filling their stadium.

I wish I could find information about the Seahawks' attendance before that. But I did find this article that mentions how they almost moved in 1996 and nobody seemed to care.

Yet there was a time not that long ago when the Seahawks were not adored in their home city, when the team played before huge swaths of empty metal bleachers and a fleet of moving vans hauled the team’s equipment to California in the first stage of a move to suburban Los Angeles. That was in 1996 and the Seahawks’ presumed departure did not generate much protest.
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jan/14/how-soccer-saved-the-seattle-seahawks
 


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