Are We Sure We Want Fleck?

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Better question is, after talking to his old Coach Kill, does Fleck want us?
 

it all comes down to winning. win games, and everyone loves you. If Fleck beats Iowa and Wisconsin, he can stand on his head on the sidelines and people will love it. If he loses to Purdue or Rutgers, all the motivational speeches in the world won't save him.

And as far as fund-raising, the head coach plays at best a secondary role in fund-raising. Maybe if the Gophers won a division title or a B1G title, that might make a significant difference in fund-raising. But short of that, the AD is the lead guy on fund-raising. (and judging from Coyle's stellar communication skills, I would say Lou Nanne had better be leading the charge with the donors.)
 

short ornery norwegian said:
it all comes down to winning. win games, and everyone loves you. If Fleck beats Iowa and Wisconsin, he can stand on his head on the sidelines and people will love it. If he loses to Purdue or Rutgers, all the motivational speeches in the world won't save him.

And as far as fund-raising, the head coach plays at best a secondary role in fund-raising. Maybe if the Gophers won a division title or a B1G title, that might make a significant difference in fund-raising. But short of that, the AD is the lead guy on fund-raising. (and judging from Coyle's stellar communication skills, I would say Lou Nanne had better be leading the charge with the donors.)
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There are 3 executive level people in development (an Associate AD and 2 Assistant ADs). There are also a couple of former athletes (Quincy Lewis & Joe Quinn) that deal with Major Gifts. Those are the people that do the heavy fundraising lifting.
 

dpodoll68 said:
+1. It's a two-way street. As soon as players are prohibited from switching schools at the last minute, then we can talk about the "unfairness" of rescinding scholarship offers. Until then, too bad, so sad.
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There's a huge difference. When a coach rescinds an offer he goes home to he same house he'll be in for the next several years unless he chooses to take another job for an enormous amount of money. When a player loses a scholarship offer he suddenly has his next 4 years changed. And if he goes to the new place and doesn't like it he has to sit out a year before he can go somewhere else.

When a recruit decommits there are hundreds of other football players who would happily take his spot. When a player loses his scholarship there's the possibility all the other options are gone.

Equating the amount of power a player has with the amount of power a college coach has is lunacy.
 

ncgo4 said:
At least our AD can make a decision. He fired Claeys and he's hiring his replacement. Under any previous administration there would have been a committee consisting of at least 70% women wondering if we had interviewed any LBG candidates and a process that would have taken months.
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Wow, I can't believe how ignorant some people can be.


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He's been signing a high number of recruits in recent years.

Quoted from another source.

"Here are WMU's commit numbers for the past 4 years:

2014: 28
2015: 27
2016: 27
2017: 26"

Suggests to me that he has a high attrition rate.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
it all comes down to winning. win games, and everyone loves you. If Fleck beats Iowa and Wisconsin, he can stand on his head on the sidelines and people will love it. If he loses to Purdue or Rutgers, all the motivational speeches in the world won't save him.

And as far as fund-raising, the head coach plays at best a secondary role in fund-raising. Maybe if the Gophers won a division title or a B1G title, that might make a significant difference in fund-raising. But short of that, the AD is the lead guy on fund-raising. (and judging from Coyle's stellar communication skills, I would say Lou Nanne had better be leading the charge with the donors.)
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He's already oh fer one vs Wisconsin and this with a 13 and 0 team against a Badger team which IMO was offensively limited.
 


Ski U Mah Gopher said:
There are 3 executive level people in development (an Associate AD and 2 Assistant ADs). There are also a couple of former athletes (Quincy Lewis & Joe Quinn) that deal with Major Gifts. Those are the people that do the heavy fundraising lifting.
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That's just in athletics, to be clear. There are hundreds more outside of athletics, and many of those also raise money for athletics as well, depending on the relationships they manage.
 



He doesnt thrill me. Get rid of one MAC coach for another.


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#coacheslivesmatter
 

BAJJERFAN said:
He's already oh fer one vs Wisconsin and this with a 13 and 0 team against a Badger team which IMO was offensively limited.
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My guess is he would be able to recruit a little bit better at MN than Western Michigan. Just a hunch.
 

Want him or not, it is now Fleck's team. Hope for the best, plan for the rest.
 

MNfootballfan said:
Dropping a kid's scholarship is part of the game, a terrible part of the game, but part of the game.

I am fine with dropping a kids scholarship offer in mid January if it means we can get a better player. If that is what you are afraid of we truly will be average forever.
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1,000 times this^^^^

It might be ugly, it might be unfair, but that is how live is. If the head coach doesn't drop a kid to get a better player who is available I don't want that coach running my team.


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U2Gopher said:
1,000 times this^^^^

It might be ugly, it might be unfair, but that is how live is. If the head coach doesn't drop a kid to get a better player who is available I don't want that coach running my team.


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Better player can be described in many different ways.
 

How can you not want a guy who rocks the shirt & tie under the warm-up jacket.

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As long as he doesn't get a Notre Dame clause, and doesn't hang out at the boathouse along the river he will be fine. We need a head coach, I'm on board with the Oar fellow, let's just hope he wins.
 

https://youtu.be/pbVxwHfRk2Q

If giving a walk-on a scholarship that is taped to a football and kicking it to him with an onside, is an "antic". If making a kid feel special, with his "antics". Then by all means I'll take his antics. Most coaches would call the kid in his office and tell him. Instead he shared the moment with his teammates on the field. Instead of bashing him for his "antics", applaud him for creativity and passion for his players.
 

Minnfaninmich said:
https://youtu.be/pbVxwHfRk2Q

If giving a walk-on a scholarship that is taped to a football and kicking it to him with an onside, is an "antic". If making a kid feel special, with his "antics". Then by all means I'll take his antics. Most coaches would call the kid in his office and tell him. Instead he shared the moment with his teammates on the field. Instead of bashing him for his "antics", applaud him for creativity and passion for his players.
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Translation: "I'm pissed we fired Claeys so I am going to dislike anything the new coach does."
 

I hope PJ excises the cynic out of most of you - Minnesota is a great damn state with incredible people and the self loathing is so counter productive.

Stand up and pound your damn chest once in awhile and let's keep rowing the damn boat to the top tier in the division and conference.
 


AEmerson40 said:
Personally, I think he would be a very successful hire. At the same time, I do not trust that he would run this program "with class and integrity" because of things like him pulling recruits' scholarships a couple weeks before signing day, then falsely throwing some of the blame on the players:

http://usatodayhss.com/2013/new-coa...ant-you-is-first-thing-indy-area-recruit-told

If we end up hiring him, hopefully he's learned to treat recruits and players with dignity. Having Coyle as boss would certainly not help with that though.
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Seems really bizarre that our number one choice would be a guy from the coaching tree of the pissed off ex coach.

The whole thing seems like a complete disaster waiting to happen.

Best case scenario: we overpay for another unproven mid tier guy who we have no idea if he's capable or ready to compete on this level.

Worst case scenario: we lose out on said unproven coach from mid tier.

I was on board with Firing TC as he seemed like he was in over his head and proved as much with his statement on 'CCO. But firing him without any semblance of a plan for his replacement just seems like typical mismanagement of another athletic program at the U.

If Fleck blinks then move on. If they're serious about building the football program they have to be serious in their search and based on everything I'm reading, they're flying by the seat of their pants and that not good enough.

I'm very concerned either way.
 


Jerry is coming back as the OC at UM.

lol
 

Fire PJ Fleck said:
Seems really bizarre that our number one choice would be a guy from the coaching tree of the pissed off ex coach.

The whole thing seems like a complete disaster waiting to happen.

Best case scenario: we overpay for another unproven mid tier guy who we have no idea if he's capable or ready to compete on this level.

Worst case scenario: we lose out on said unproven coach from mid tier.

I was on board with Firing TC as he seemed like he was in over his head and proved as much with his statement on 'CCO. But firing him without any semblance of a plan for his replacement just seems like typical mismanagement of another athletic program at the U.

If Fleck blinks then move on. If they're serious about building the football program they have to be serious in their search and based on everything I'm reading, they're flying by the seat of their pants and that not good enough.

I'm very concerned either way.
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There are like 5 schools in the country that can hire proven winners at the highest level. Everybody else is taking a chance. LSU hired a guy that Ole Miss fired, for goodness sake, and they have 2 titles this century. Notre Dame hired a guy from Cincinnati. Texas hired a guy from Houston. Oregon hired a guy from South Florida. USC promoted an assistant last year.
 



Fire PJ Fleck said:
Seems really bizarre that our number one choice would be a guy from the coaching tree of the pissed off ex coach.

The whole thing seems like a complete disaster waiting to happen.

Best case scenario: we overpay for another unproven mid tier guy who we have no idea if he's capable or ready to compete on this level.

Worst case scenario: we lose out on said unproven coach from mid tier.

I was on board with Firing TC as he seemed like he was in over his head and proved as much with his statement on 'CCO. But firing him without any semblance of a plan for his replacement just seems like typical mismanagement of another athletic program at the U.

If Fleck blinks then move on. If they're serious about building the football program they have to be serious in their search and based on everything I'm reading, they're flying by the seat of their pants and that not good enough.

I'm very concerned either way.
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I'm not sure what most GHer's expect to hear at this point. We seem to be collectively damning Coyle for not having a plan. What would make us convinced that he had a good plan? Up to the minute, blow by blow email reports from the Alumni Association on the status of negotiations? WCCO radio reports, detailing the list of agents who have been contacted? A Tim Brewster press conference denying that he is a candidate for the job?

From the very little I have heard, Fleck seems to be the choice. And there are a few back-ups. And there is an extended list of names, whose schools/agents have been contacted about their level of possible interest. Sounds very, very reasonable and prudent to me. Work through Choice #1. Give him a limited amount of time to decide. If that fails, do the same with #2, then #3. If that fails, go to the extended list who have indicated they might be interested. Much better than Blue Ribbon, 16 person committee to hire a search firm.
 

He may not be a bad one. Wait, Kaler does not want him anywhere near the program because he was more popular. Officially, he doesn't want him to circumvent Claeys' authority.

F#5& y&# very much for helping jump start the Athletic Village initiative.
 


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