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They suggested that the U MUST hire a coach that runs a power run scheme. They suggested that any coaches running the spread should be ruled out because that is not the type of team MN should be.

Does anybody agree with this, or do you think they are as dumb as I do?

Who created the myth that you can't run the spread in the north? Boise runs the spread. WVU runs the spread. Northwestern and Purdue run the spread. Notre Dame runs the spread. Oregon runs the spread. Hardly balmy climates.


here are the top 18 rush offenses in the country as it currently stands
** = Spread Team
* = Non spread team that runs elements of the spread
(blank) = non spread team
1 Air Force*
2 Oregon**
3 Michigan**
4 Nebraska
5 Nevada**
6 Georgia Tech
7 TCU*
8 Auburn**
9 Army
10 UCLA*
11 Navy
12 Northern Ill.**
13 Wisconsin
14 Ohio St.*
15 Southern California
16 Mississippi**
17 Alabama
18 Boise St.*

So 11 of the top 18 teams are running the spread at least partially (Including 4 of the top 5).
Of the other 7 teams in the top 18, 3 are triple option (Navy, GT, Army).
So of the top 18 teams, only 4 could be considered "Power Running" teams (Nebraska, Wisconsin, USC, and Alabama).

The last 10 years of Big Ten Titles include 16 teams. At least 9 of those 16 teams have run the spread at least partially.

Who created the myth that you can't run out of the spread? I don't know the answer, but whoever did should never be allowed to talk about college football again. Whoever created the myth that you can't run the spread in colder climates should also have their media passes revoked.

I don't necessarily want a spread coach, but you hire the right coach. Do not eliminate a coach because he runs the spread. The guys on the postgame show on KFAN do not know anything about college football. They do not know anything about the spread offense.
 

For every team that runs the spread good...there's 10 teams that do it horribly...see Minnesota 2007...
 


thailleagle said:
For every team that runs the spread good...there's 10 teams that do it horribly...see Minnesota 2007...
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Well I just gave you 11 teams that run the spread well. So can you give me 110 teams that run it poorly?
 

Agree 100%. How does fall weather stop you from running the spread offense? No one ever bothers to explain this. They just rant about needing a power run team and that offense doesn't work. The best is when they say you need a good defense to win the Big Ten. Oh really, I'm pretty sure you need that at all levels of football. For every team that runs a power running game ...there's 10 team that do it horribly...see Minnesota 2009.
 


I love when I hear the argument you can't run the spread in the north, then I see the Montana grizz hosting a national semifiinal game against AP State in a blizzard. And both teams are scoring in the upper 30s with both teams running the spread.
 

We tried the Spread...it didn't work...

We've shown we can be successful as a running team before let's stick to it...
 

I'll tell you one thing. If you want to continue recruiting offensive leftovers from Texas it'd be more conducive to run the spread.
 




thailleagle said:
We tried the Spread...it didn't work...

We've shown we can be successful as a running team before let's stick to it...
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What on earth does Mason's success running have to do with any future coach's success? You're kidding right?
 

Rosemountian said:
Well I just gave you 11 teams that run the spread well. So can you give me 110 teams that run it poorly?
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Thaileagle doesn't like numbers or statistics. He prefers to give his opinions without any basis whatsoever.
 

SickAndTiredOfLosingToWI said:
I hate the spread. Case closed.
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Well if you hate it than I guess that solves that. A spread offense was run by 48 teams in 2009. Stop acting like it is some goofball offense that nobody runs and doesn't work. Any offense that is coached well can be effective.
 

I think their point is that Minnesota does not have a good recruiting backyard for the spread. Can it be done? Sure but it's more of an uphill battle than putting together a big, powerful team. At least that's their stance.
 



stevedave23 said:
I think their point is that Minnesota does not have a good recruiting backyard for the spread. Can it be done? Sure but it's more of an uphill battle than putting together a big, powerful team. At least that's their stance.
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I guess my response would be that if Northwestern can run it than it can be run just about anywhere.
 

stevedave23 said:
I think their point is that Minnesota does not have a good recruiting backyard for the spread. Can it be done? Sure but it's more of an uphill battle than putting together a big, powerful team. At least that's their stance.
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They never bother to say that. At least you're trying to fight for the anti-spread regime. Anyways, I could easily argue that Minnesota's best 2 classes happened when we were go with the spread offense. Let's be honest the last 2 years Brew hasn't been pulling in many 4 star players. Not sure if that is the reason but it makes you think. I myself don't care what offense we run as long as it works. I also know that any past success should not dictate what offense any future head coach uses. Imagine if Florida told Urban Meyer he had to run Spurrier's passing offense because it worked before. How about Nebraska needs to go back to the wishbone.
 

stevedave23 said:
I think their point is that Minnesota does not have a good recruiting backyard for the spread. Can it be done? Sure but it's more of an uphill battle than putting together a big, powerful team. At least that's their stance.
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When is the last time the gophers put together a Big Powerful team on both sides of the ball? 1967?
Northwestern won the Big Ten running the spread.
Purdue won the Big Ten running the spread.
Illinois went to a Rose Bowl running the spread.
Boise State has gone to 2 BCS bowls running the spread.
Oregon is top 4 in the nation running the spread.
Kansas won the orange Bowl running the spread.
West Virginia has been one of the better programs the past 10 years running the spread.

I guess West Virginia, Indiana, Illinois, Idaho, Oregon, Kansas are just places where the spread works and MN isn't?

Offensive style success has 0 correlation to climate or population demographics.

Reno, Nevada is in the middle of the desert and Birmingham Alabama is in the hotbed of athletes that is the Southeast. I guess Bama runs the spread and Nevada runs a "Power Running game." USC is in LA and Oregon is in the wet and cool Pacific Northwest. I guess it makes sense that USC runs the spread and Oregon runs more of a pro style. I get it now.
 

glovedgopher said:
They never bother to say that. At least you're trying to fight for the anti-spread regime. Anyways, I could easily argue that Minnesota's best 2 classes happened when we were go with the spread offense. Let's be honest the last 2 years Brew hasn't been pulling in many 4 star players. Not sure if that is the reason but it makes you think. I myself don't care what offense we run as long as it works. I also know that any past success should not dictate what offense any future head coach uses. Imagine if Florida told Urban Meyer he had to run Spurrier's passing offense because it worked before. How about Nebraska needs to go back to the wishbone.
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I don't think that Nebraska ever ran the wishbone. Oklahoma and Texas did. But I get your point.
 

thailleagle said:
We tried the Spread...it didn't work...
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We didn't try the spread. If you want to call players recruited to run Mason's cut blocking scheme and play action scheme running the spread for 2 years "trying the spread" I guess we have. Brewster's biggest flaw offensively was buying into the media hype that he needed to change systems. We never once ran the spread with players recruited to run the spread (and our offense got worse, not better, when we left the spread system behind). We ran the spread for 2 years, and then Brewster abandoned it before you could even see if it would have worked here.
 

By the way how much fun (and painful seeing James and Huff) is it watching Oregon play?
 

Viperman69 said:
I don't think that Nebraska ever ran the wishbone. Oklahoma and Texas did. But I get your point.
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You're right power option I is what I should have used. Oklahoma is a better example of a team winning using different styles.
 

Rosemountian said:
We never once ran the spread with players recruited to run the spread (and our offense got worse, not better, when we left the spread system behind). We ran the spread for 2 years, and then Brewster abandoned it before you could even see if it would have worked here.
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Purdue installed the spread with players recruited for their power running offense, and started going to bowl games right away. Northwestern installed the spread with players recruited for a ball control, running offense and won a Big Ten title the first year in that offense. I don't know what it was with Minnesota but I think there wasn't enough commitment to become a true spread team, and the identity never took hold.
 

Catechol said:
Purdue installed the spread with players recruited for their power running offense, and started going to bowl games right away. Northwestern installed the spread with players recruited for a ball control, running offense and won a Big Ten title the first year in that offense. I don't know what it was with Minnesota but I think there wasn't enough commitment to become a true spread team, and the identity never took hold.
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Minnesota didn't fail to reach a bowl game because of the offense in 2007. Remember 2007 is the year that got people excited about Adam Weber as a QB. In 2008, they did make a bowl. In 2009, they changed offenses. They changed offenses because they didn't think they ran the ball well enough in 2008, yet they were the worst team in the conference in 2009.

You are correct in saying the identity never took hold. I personally believe it is because Brewster listened to the media and fan critics who said you can't run the ball out of the spread. Those fans and media are incorrect, you can run the ball out of the spread. But since Brewster bought into that hype and switched offenses, it was never given a chance to take hold.

Another major difference between MN and Purdue's transition into the spread is this. Tiller had time to recruit to the point where the first class was truly his. He recruited a stud QB named Drew Brees. Brewster's first class was so rushed he couldn't bring in his guy. He started Weber. After that he either failed to recruit a better QB, or refused to play the guy if he was better. Purdue's 97 defense was much much better than MN's 07 defense and Drew Brees could possibly be better than Adam Weber.
 

I completely agree with Rosemountain here. The Gophers didn't try the spread and have it fail. The Gophers best season (under Brewster) was the 2nd year of the spread offense. The first year featured a freshman QB and a horrible, horrible defense. I would say the spread gets an "incomplete" at Minnesota. Also, we've only tried one version of a spread offense, their are many variations some are almost exclusively pass, while some run more than pass, some utilize tight ends, some dont, etc,etc.

It's ridiculous to think that only one type of offense can win at Minnesota. We live in a world where schools like Iowa, Utah, and Boise State are all having success..and doing it with offenses that vary significantly from one another. Anyone would agree that Minnesota has significant advantages in recruiting over all 3 of those schools IF (big IF) W's and L's were equal.

Here are my mandatory qualifications for the new head football coach.

1. Must have a clear idea of what he wants to do on ONE side of the ball and have a track record of being successful with that philosophy
2. Experience must be no less than a coordinator at a high profile job (MAJOR college or successful NFL team)- The guy must actually have ran the system in requirement no. 1 himself, not watched somebody else run it...no position coaches.
3. Recruiting- Must have a personal reputation for being a great recruiter or be able to guarantee that he will bring coach X with him who has a great reputation on the recruiting trail.
4. Other side of the ball- A willingness to hire a guy on the side of the ball he's less experienced with and let him coach. Hopefully, we are hiring a proven head coach who already has "his" D.C. or O.C. from a previous job.
5. Success- No more coaches with poor career records, we've seen that movie twice recently, and it wasn't pretty.

I don't care if we hire a Spread coach, a Run n Shoot coach, a Pro Style coach, or a Power Run coach. I don't care if we hire a coach with roots in a 3-4 blitz heavy scheme, a traditional 4-3 scheme, a Tampa 2 scheme... As long as he meets the 5 requirements above. Be good at what you run, recruit good athletes to run it, and stick with your system.
 


+1 with what he said. Plus I would never tune my radio station to KFAN, that fat bald clown doesnt deserve any ratings.
 

GopherFanatic19 said:
+1 with what he said. Plus I would never tune my radio station to KFAN, that fat bald clown doesnt deserve any ratings.
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I listen to gopher postgame on that one. I can't stand the WCCO postgame. They don't have call ins and it is sponsored by a funeral home. I wish KFAN would bring in a couple of guys who actually know something about college football (they dont know ANYTHING). But, to me, bad discussion on KFAN is better for postgame than no discussion on WCCO.
 

Rosemountian said:
I listen to gopher postgame on that one. I can't stand the WCCO postgame. They don't have call ins and it is sponsored by a funeral home. I wish KFAN would bring in a couple of guys who actually know something about college football (they dont know ANYTHING). But, to me, bad discussion on KFAN is better for postgame than no discussion on WCCO.
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I am usually to steamed to listen to the post game. Plus you get these callers who call in and bash the gophers. I agree, I wish the STRIB and KFAN or another radio station would have people who knew what they were talking about and gave good radio. Not the Clown at KFAN and Reusse/Souhan at ESPN radio/Strib.
 

Personally, I just hate the spread. I hate watching spread teams.

But aside from my personal view, keep in mind that you have to recruit speed in order to have a great spread offense, and the big ten isn't known for it's speed like the SEC. And the Gophers in particular don't get elite ahtletes.

To make a spread work, you need a good quarterback and 3 or 4 good receivers. But with Mason's run offense, we were able to succeed with one or two great backs and a mediocre quarterback. We were also able to make due with smaller offensive lineman who were good in a zone blocking scheme, but who were not highly ranked national recruits. So we were able to recruit the guys we needed to win. If only he could have done just a bit better in the passing game and on defense. But we were a lot closer with Glen Mason than we are now.
 

"power" teams like Penn State and Ohio State run significant elements of the spread now in their offense. Probably about 2/3rds of the teams in FBS run some spread within their offensive schemes, some to a greater extent than others. It might not be the "primary" scheme they run ala Michigan but the spread is now the "norm" in the game until defenses can completely master it.
 

I agree with what everyone is saying, the style of offense has basically nothing to do with demographics. Do you think Bama is running the power running game because the south doesn't have much speed?

I have no issues with what our next coach goes with schematically. All of the schemes work, if done properly. I do have personal preferences on what I like to watch, but I would never pick a coach per that.

Another thing, there are some spreads that are like a power spread. Auburn is a spread team, but they are huge and powerful.
 

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