Any update on Shortell's injury?

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Any status on his injury? It must be pretty bad for him not to have gotten in the game today. No other excuse for him not to have started in the 2nd half.
 

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I agree that Shortell should have played in the 2nd half. i was starting to worry that Gray would have been stuck on 9 yards passing. I think Kill needs to start evaluating both the rest of the year so going into next year they have some game information on who the front runner is.
 

Gray is improving his play. I bet after todays game Kill and Limgrover are happy he is slowly progressing into a qb.
 

Injury? I did not hear anything about a Shortell injury. To the OP, I can thing of many reasons why Shortell did not start the
2nd half. The main reason is that Gray is a far superior QB for this offense and this team. Gray is finally healthy and his
receivers did not help him at all today.
 

Is the comment about Gray improving his playing serious or sarcastic? I saw no improvement today--although his receivers didn't help much but his accuracy was way off and he doesn't run very effective either--take out his 30 yard run and his avg was less than 3 yds/carry. His passing is what will keep defenses playing both safeties up because he doesn't find the open single coverage receivers.
 


It was serious. Did he throw a couple of poor passes? Yes. Did Russell Wilson airmail a wide open receiver near the goal line tonight? Yes. It happens.

Gray's accuracy today was improved over earlier in the year. His decision making appeared to be better then earlier in the
year. If you saw no improvement today, you were not watching the same game I was.
 

I was at the game --take out the trick play at what was he -- 8-18 for 75 yards or so. i will give you that his mistakes have dropped where he is not throwing the picks etc but we need him to at least be a threat to hurt you in the air. I am not sure if the play calling gives him the option to either throw or run but they stacked the box all game at left single coverage on every play.
 

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. His receivers dropped at least 3 easy catches that would have extended drives and
made those numbers look better. If you think back to the USC or NMSU games, Gray is making decisions much more quickly
and delivering the ball with more confidence. Is he Andrew Luck? Heck no, I am just commenting on his individual
development over the course of the year.
 

Maroon92 said:
I was at the game --take out the trick play at what was he -- 8-18 for 75 yards or so. i will give you that his mistakes have dropped where he is not throwing the picks etc but we need him to at least be a threat to hurt you in the air. I am not sure if the play calling gives him the option to either throw or run but they stacked the box all game at left single coverage on every play.
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His receivers aren't getting enough separation. Someone said JG on the KFAN broadcast overheard Kill telling his wide receivers they were cutting their routes short and not getting enough separation.
 



The way the WRs are playing it doesn't matter if we have Tom Brady in at QB. There were a few plays that stick out in my mind, one being the pocket collapsed and Gray rolled out. Not a big deal, he is an athletic QB, but McNight just stopped his route and watched Gray roll out.

The QB position is a great position, but you take a lot of criticism. Unfortunately, Gray and Shortell do not look very good because of their supporting cast. For what it is worth, I think Gray is starting to look more comfortable in the pocket.
 

Stan The Caddy said:
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. His receivers dropped at least 3 easy catches that would have extended drives and
made those numbers look better. If you think back to the USC or NMSU games, Gray is making decisions much more quickly
and delivering the ball with more confidence. Is he Andrew Luck? Heck no, I am just commenting on his individual
development over the course of the year.
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Dropped passes? Receivers cutting routes short? Is that what we're going with this week?

Wow. Apparently MN is the only program that has receivers that make these kinds of mistakes.

Gray is a deer in the headlights in the pocket. It's absolutely painful. A 12 on the ACT is less and less shocking with every passing week. It's probably also time to see if the Hilton sports book has a line out for the number of times Gray puts the ball on the carpet the rest of the season. Another two times today. The only upside to Gray's horrendous accuracy is that if he were a LITTLE more accurate, he would be throwing a lot more INT's. But because he's so far off, the DB's have no chance either.

People are missing the big picture. His effectiveness throwing the ball (or lack thereof) is as much, if not more significant in terms of how defenses play the Gophers as it has to do with miserable production on offense. The defenses they play will never ever ever respect the threat of the forward pass as long as Gray keeps coming up with these kinds of efforts.

With Gray at QB, this is just plain one incredibly easy team to prepare for defensively. THAT is the problem.
 

Ogee Oglethorpe said:
Dropped passes? Receivers cutting routes short? Is that what we're going with this week?

Wow. Apparently MN is the only program that has receivers that make these kinds of mistakes.

Gray is a deer in the headlights in the pocket. It's absolutely painful. A 12 on the ACT is less and less shocking with every passing week. It's probably also time to see if the Hilton sports book has a line out for the number of times Gray puts the ball on the carpet the rest of the season. Another two times today. The only upside to Gray's horrendous accuracy is that if he were a LITTLE more accurate, he would be throwing a lot more INT's. But because he's so far off, the DB's have no chance either.

People are missing the big picture. His effectiveness throwing the ball (or lack thereof) is as much, if not more significant in terms of how defenses play the Gophers as it has to do with miserable production on offense. The defenses they play will never ever ever respect the threat of the forward pass as long as Gray keeps coming up with these kinds of efforts.

With Gray at QB, this is just plain one incredibly easy team to prepare for defensively. THAT is the problem.
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What is your suggestion, go with Shortell? His completion percentage is under 50% as well. Pretty easy to prepare for that too, see Michigan game. What is your reason as to why Max is that bad? Both of these QBs have accuracy problems, Gray can run better, Max looks a little better in the pocket. But if you both complete the same percent of your passes, who cares who looks better in the pocket or not. As for the Gray "excuses" it was stated they were brought up by JG saying Kill was saying it himself. If Kill is saying that was happening, I'm pretty sure that is the way it was.
 

Why the hell do people say "take out the trick play..." or "take away the 30 yard run..."? Did he not do those things? I sure as hell saw them on the field and they counted in the game. That trick play throw was a great throw right on target, why should it not count? And that 30 yard run was a good play that resulted as part of his athleticism and toughness. You don't run the ball with Gray expecting to get 10 yard runs every time - you run it knowing that he has the ability to break away and get those 20+ yard runs every now and then.

Those plays counted, plain and simple.
 



mattw1067...people use selective statistics to try make their point.
 

mattw1067 said:
Why the hell do people say "take out the trick play..." or "take away the 30 yard run..."? Did he not do those things? I sure as hell saw them on the field and they counted in the game. That trick play throw was a great throw right on target, why should it not count? And that 30 yard run was a good play that resulted as part of his athleticism and toughness. You don't run the ball with Gray expecting to get 10 yard runs every time - you run it knowing that he has the ability to break away and get those 20+ yard runs every now and then.

Those plays counted, plain and simple.
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Thank you! I hate when people go with the "take away all his good plays and he didn't play very well" angle.
 

Hell, take away the offsides on the Gophers on their first defensive position, the fumble fiasco, the long reverse and a couple of missed tackles the Gophers should have won the game!

I agree, part of having Gray on your team means you will get a 30 yard run. That was not a lucky play, that is what someone with his skillset can do.
 

At this point, I think we go with whomever the coaches feel is our guy next year. Gray is essentially a freshman QB just like Shortell. If they feel Gray will be our better option the rest of the year and next year, then he needs to get as much experience as possible. I had no problem switching QB's early on this season to see who would "take" the starting job.

I usually agree with you Ogee, but I have to disagree somewhat with your post. Did Gray play great yesterday? No, but I thought he did show signs of improvements. Yes every team has dropped passes, but 3 blatant drops in just 18 pass attempts is bad.

I don't know if he's the answer, but right now the coaches feel he's our best option.
 

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