Another over the top Brew Quote

Tubby won right away at Tulsa, Georgia, Kentucky and MINNESOTA. The hoops program was in a lot worse shape than when Brew took over, WE WENT TO THE SAME BOWL that every one is praising Brew for two years ago.

I know it takes less players to win in hoops but, we have a ton of guys who play and contribute in hoops.

How about coaching adjustments, the Gophers are a great second half team in hoops.

It's time to walk the talk in the football program.
 

Tubby won right away at Tulsa, Georgia, Kentucky and MINNESOTA. The hoops program was in a lot worse shape than when Brew took over, WE WENT TO THE SAME BOWL that every one is praising Brew for two years ago.

I know it takes less players to win in hoops but, we have a ton of guys who play and contribute in hoops.

How about coaching adjustments, the Gophers are a great second half team in hoops.

It's time to walk the talk in the football program.

Not a big deal but Tulsa was actually 17-13 and 15-14 in his first two years there so it did take him a few years to be successful. I just thought it was funny how gophergod was pretty much saying Tubby recruits the right way because he uses his success. Well at one time Tubby was an average and fairly new coach so he couldn't use his success when recruiting until he had a few years under his belt. Don't get me wrong, I love Tubby and am extremely happy that he's our basketball coach, but it's a little unfair to compare Brewster to Tubby at this point in his career.

I do agree though, the 2009 season is a big year for Brewster and his team needs to show improvement.
 





True to form you had to get in your little Brewster dig. The only flaw in your thoughts is that Brewster was left with an empty roster.
Can I ask you a legit question, why do you dislike Brewster so much and do not have one positive post? I can see if you were truly objective and posted both the good and bad, but there seems to be a group that post here that have an agenda.
 

Comparing the football program to the basketball program? I guess people will go to any lengths to criticize Brewster. I suggest those that want to change coaches again quickly, review the coaching careers of Ferentz, Alvarez, Mangino, etc. See if they "held serve" when they came in to overhaul a program. Naysayers may want to wait until a football teams recruits are more than true freshmen before they judge a coach. At Wake Forest, when their coach took over he redshirted every player he recruited his first year. Told everyone he would lose for awhile, but in the long run it would pay off. How many here have that type of patience for our coach? Tubby got run out of Lexington. Did he take a step back when he took over? A national championship? It is way too early to judge a coach in football. It takes longer. Do some research instead of whining.
 

Exactly, comparing football and basketball is flawed. With basketball you need a couple great players and only five play at a time, football two players help but do not have the same impact.

I will repeat again Brewster really has only one recruiting class, the first class was not his recruits. Can he coach, not sure but lets give him two more years and we will find out. Why blame Brewster for Mason getting fired, he had nothing to do with it.
 

Exactly, comparing football and basketball is flawed. With basketball you need a couple great players and only five play at a time, football two players help but do not have the same impact.

I will repeat again Brewster really has only one recruiting class, the first class was not his recruits. Can he coach, not sure but lets give him two more years and we will find out. Why blame Brewster for Mason getting fired, he had nothing to do with it.

So you're saying having 13 scholarships to fill is not the same as 85? I thought they were. :rolleyes:
 



True to form you had to get in your little Brewster dig. The only flaw in your thoughts is that Brewster was left with an empty roster.
Can I ask you a legit question, why do you dislike Brewster so much and do not have one positive post? I can see if you were truly objective and posted both the good and bad, but there seems to be a group that post here that have an agenda.

Oh thanks for clearing that up because I forgot Tubby had so much talent when he got here. That would explain why I see Lawrence McKenzie, Spencer Tollackson, and Dan Coleman in the NBA. I will not apologize for wanting more and expecting more for my university that what I believe Tim Brewster can provide. I simply want a coach that I think represents himself and the university in a dignified manner and is someone that you could trust your son to play for. There has been some behavior that I have seen that has led me to question his character, not to mention his coaching ability. I will say however that he is a effective recruiter.
 

character?

any examples where you question his character?
 

Oh thanks for clearing that up because I forgot Tubby had so much talent when he got here. That would explain why I see Lawrence McKenzie, Spencer Tollackson, and Dan Coleman in the NBA. I will not apologize for wanting more and expecting more for my university that what I believe Tim Brewster can provide. I simply want a coach that I think represents himself and the university in a dignified manner and is someone that you could trust your son to play for. There has been some behavior that I have seen that has led me to question his character, not to mention his coaching ability. I will say however that he is a effective recruiter.

I didn't realize that Tubby only inherited seniors last season. He did not inherit Nolan or Hoff or Westbrook or Johnson. I have an idea, let's go get a coach in football that has won a national championship like Tubby did.
Since you do not want to wait for a rebuilding process (and yes, one was needed unless you think year after year of sub - .500 Big Ten records is something to sustain) I suggest we offer Pete Carroll or Bob Stoops or Urban Meyer. I am sure MN is high on their lists for attractive jobs especially with the abundance of in-state talent here. I think we have 2 top 150 players from MN this year. Who wouldn't want to come here?
Why can't you just come clean and say that Brewster rubs you the wrong way. That you dislike guys with outgoing, positive personalities? Just be honest.
 

Why are we comparing Tubby with Brewster? First off, that's not even fair. Tubby has developed himself into a full fledged HOF type coach. Brewster is in year 2. Secondly, to compare the talent in football and basketball ain't right. The basketball team here has had some decent talent roll through here, and yet, only one NCAA tourney berth. If you look at the recruiting classes that have come through here, they were of a decent level, 3 stars all over throughout. Look at the guys currently making hay for the Gophers, guys like Al Nolen, Blake Hoffarber, Damian Johnson, Lawrence Westbrook....all 3 star players, and in Hoffarber's case, was considered a top 100 prospect on ESPN. As much ribbing Tollackson takes, he was considered a highly rated 3 star guy. Dan Coleman was as well. There has been and is talent in Minnesota basketball to work with. It's unfortunate that for whatever reason, Dan Monson was unable to turn that into much. Whatever that reason is, he was not coaching them up to what they should have been. The basketball program wasn't in shambles like everyone tries to make it sound like. They just needed a good coach. In enters Tubby, with a HOF-like resume. We all KNEW he would have success, would have been quite disappointed if he hadn't really.

Now, we turn to the football situation. After the Texas Tech disaster, the Gophers were 6-7. They were going to lose their senior quarterback, and eventually 3 very important defensive starters, plus graduates. If you look at the recruiting classes from 2004-2006, you almost have to laugh. NO high level talent whatsoever. On Rivals, the highest rated prospect in 2004 was a 5.6. In fact, I think the basketball team drew in only one less 3 star recruit than did the football team (PATHETIC!!) In 2005, it was Alex Daniels, a 5.9, but we know what happened there, so the next highest rated was a swap of 5.5 guys. In 2006, it was 5.6, 3 of those guys never played a down here (Jamar Howard, Robert McField, and Terrence Sherrer, not positive on Sherrer). So...Brewster inherits a squad where the best talent was in that 5.5 rating range coming out of high school. Now there are diamonds in the rough, players like Decker, WVS, etc., but you can't expect to compete for long with that kind of scarcity of talent. And it was not always the case that this team was that depleted in the Mason era. Early on, he drew in some nice recruits. For some reason, after the Maroney year where they got some good players, it dried up. And with it, so did the quality on the field. Mason was about to encounter an embarrassing 2007 season, not 1-11 embarrassing, but likely 3 or 4 win embarrassing. They were already close the year before, starting 3-6 before Cupito salvaged the season. Recruiting was still sucking, Mason was sucking, and the entire program had ZERO heat at all. No one even cared about it. In comes Brewster, 1-11, bad, yes. Then now 7-6, while using the few good Mason players as well as sprinkling in some freshmen. Now, another season, another top 30 recruiting class where the worst player rated is some of the best stuff Mason had brought in the previous four seasons. Brewster is turning this program around, whether people here want to admit it or not. Bring in another one of these top 30 classes, and you will see Minnesota make noise in 2010 on a national scope.
 



I didn't realize that Tubby only inherited seniors last season. He did not inherit Nolan or Hoff or Westbrook or Johnson. I have an idea, let's go get a coach in football that has won a national championship like Tubby did.
Since you do not want to wait for a rebuilding process (and yes, one was needed unless you think year after year of sub - .500 Big Ten records is something to sustain) I suggest we offer Pete Carroll or Bob Stoops or Urban Meyer. I am sure MN is high on their lists for attractive jobs especially with the abundance of in-state talent here. I think we have 2 top 150 players from MN this year. Who wouldn't want to come here?
Why can't you just come clean and say that Brewster rubs you the wrong way. That you dislike guys with outgoing, positive personalities? Just be honest.

Removing coaching ability and all of that out of the picture. I have no problems with people with outgoing, positive personalities. From a personality standpoint Jim Wacker was one of my favorite coaches ever and probably the most positive, outgoing person I have ever met. His speeches were some of the most inspiring and amazing that I have ever heard. The difference between those two guys imo is one of them you felt like the person you saw with the cameras on was the same with the cameras off and the other person I do not feel that. Let's be realistic as well, I know that Pete Carroll or Urban Meyer would not come here but do I think that there were and are still today more qualified coaches out there that would be interested, simply put yes. I also am realistic and know that this is not likely to change within the next 2 years atleast, but it doesn't mean that I cannot ask or expect my alma mater to strive for more.
 

Monty you nailed it, finally someone who laid it out perfectly. The team Brewter fielded in 2007 had very little talent and remember WVS was injured that year. Amazing a year later after talent was injected they went 7-6. Mason would not have done much better, no talent to work with. Brewster changed to the spread, just look what happened to Michigan, and all they have is all americans on that team and they still went 3-8.
 

Summary of Mason's talent

Why are we comparing Tubby with Brewster?

Brewster is turning this program around, whether people here want to admit it or not. Bring in another one of these top 30 classes, and you will see Minnesota make noise in 2010 on a national scope.

Nicely put, Monty
 

Removing coaching ability and all of that out of the picture. I have no problems with people with outgoing, positive personalities. From a personality standpoint Jim Wacker was one of my favorite coaches ever and probably the most positive, outgoing person I have ever met. His speeches were some of the most inspiring and amazing that I have ever heard. The difference between those two guys imo is one of them you felt like the person you saw with the cameras on was the same with the cameras off and the other person I do not feel that. Let's be realistic as well, I know that Pete Carroll or Urban Meyer would not come here but do I think that there were and are still today more qualified coaches out there that would be interested, simply put yes. I also am realistic and know that this is not likely to change within the next 2 years atleast, but it doesn't mean that I cannot ask or expect my alma mater to strive for more.

You still haven't explained what behavior makes you question his character. Its clear that you are on board with Reusse in believing that Brewster is some type of "phony". I don't care if you don't like Brewster and don't think he is the right guy for the job. That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I don't think you are anti-Gopher because of it. But if you are going to rip on Brew for making bold statements and not backing them up I think you should do better than to do the same yourself.

I think he has great character. Here's the personal experiences of two people I am very close to that make me think so. My wife does a great job of hunting down Gopher related gifts for X-mas. But last year she was drawing a blank. So she tracked down Brewster’s e-mail and asked him if he had any suggestions for a die-hard Gopher fan. In the middle of the final push of recruiting he responded within 48 hours with 3 suggestions. One of my friends is a U alum and teaches at a suburban elementary school. She asked if Coach Brewster would come in with a player or two to speak to her students last winter. He did so and she said she couldn’t believe how great he was with the kids. She figured he’d talk quick about something basic and instead he got them all excited about the Gophers and the U. She ran into him this fall and said hello. She figured he wouldn’t remember her but instead he addressed her by name, asked if this year’s students were as great as the ones he met last year, and asked if he could come back this winter after recruiting was finished. Every other person I’ve talked to who has interacted with him on a personal level has had the same positive impressions.

I’m sorry, but I don’t get the vibe that this guy is a phony and I’d like to hear something that backs up your character comments.
 

Removing coaching ability and all of that out of the picture. I have no problems with people with outgoing, positive personalities. From a personality standpoint Jim Wacker was one of my favorite coaches ever and probably the most positive, outgoing person I have ever met. His speeches were some of the most inspiring and amazing that I have ever heard. The difference between those two guys imo is one of them you felt like the person you saw with the cameras on was the same with the cameras off and the other person I do not feel that. Let's be realistic as well, I know that Pete Carroll or Urban Meyer would not come here but do I think that there were and are still today more qualified coaches out there that would be interested, simply put yes. I also am realistic and know that this is not likely to change within the next 2 years atleast, but it doesn't mean that I cannot ask or expect my alma mater to strive for more.

Also, I’d like to point out that if coaching ability and “all of that” (which seems to be your way of downplaying the important of Tubby’s long history as a head coach) are removed from the picture then there is no basis for your comparison in the first place! Great argument there…
 

Also, I’d like to point out that if coaching ability and “all of that” (which seems to be your way of downplaying the important of Tubby’s long history as a head coach) are removed from the picture then there is no basis for your comparison in the first place! Great argument there…

In this particular post when I stated removing coaching ability and all of that from the picture I was referencing how I liked Coach Wacker as a person, though didn't always like his results on the field. We can compare stories and experiences with Coach Brewster back and forth all day long and each of our individual experiences will shape our personal views of him. Yours were clearly positive it sounds, which I am happy for you, mine were not which I why we will continue to have differing views of him as a person. I am not a fan of a coach that uses a player as a punch line in a speech as an "example of the type of kid we want at Minnesota" in a National Football Foundation dinner that I attended and then after the event rudely ignores the kid and his coach as if they didn't exist. That is just one example as you requested. I do not want to turn this into a competition however of who has the most positive versus negative stories. Let's just let it be known that our individual experiences will shape our views. At the end of the day I do want to see a better product on the field and have doubts about this coaches abilities to deliver as a head coach, just my opinion.
 

Removing coaching ability and all of that out of the picture. I have no problems with people with outgoing, positive personalities. From a personality standpoint Jim Wacker was one of my favorite coaches ever and probably the most positive, outgoing person I have ever met. His speeches were some of the most inspiring and amazing that I have ever heard. The difference between those two guys imo is one of them you felt like the person you saw with the cameras on was the same with the cameras off and the other person I do not feel that. Let's be realistic as well, I know that Pete Carroll or Urban Meyer would not come here but do I think that there were and are still today more qualified coaches out there that would be interested, simply put yes. I also am realistic and know that this is not likely to change within the next 2 years atleast, but it doesn't mean that I cannot ask or expect my alma mater to strive for more.

"The difference between those two guys imo is one of them you felt like the person you saw with the cameras on was the same with the cameras off and the other person I do not feel that."

If you're saying that you think Brewster is a different person when he's not in front of the cameras or in front of the public, how do you know this? Every indication is that he is an upbeat guy all the time, and I believe he truely loves his job.

"I also am realistic and know that this is not likely to change within the next 2 years atleast, but it doesn't mean that I cannot ask or expect my alma mater to strive for more."

You mean like some of the best recruiting classes we've ever had? He hasn't been perfect by any means but no coach is, especially in their first few years as a head coach. He has Gopher fans like you and me talking more about recruiting and the team, even in the middle of the off-season, than ever before.
 

"The difference between those two guys imo is one of them you felt like the person you saw with the cameras on was the same with the cameras off and the other person I do not feel that."

If you're saying that you think Brewster is a different person when he's not in front of the cameras or in front of the public, how do you know this? Every indication is that he is an upbeat guy all the time, and I believe he truely loves his job.

"I also am realistic and know that this is not likely to change within the next 2 years atleast, but it doesn't mean that I cannot ask or expect my alma mater to strive for more."

You mean like some of the best recruiting classes we've ever had? He hasn't been perfect by any means but no coach is, especially in their first few years as a head coach. He has Gopher fans like you and me talking more about recruiting and the team, even in the middle of the off-season, than ever before.


In response to your question "If you're saying that you think Brewster is a different person when he's not in front of the cameras or in front of the public, how do you know this?" As stated before I can only go based on my observations which could be entirely different than yours.

I do believe you and agree that he appears to love his job and am not questioning his love of the job at all. I acknowledged earlier he is a great recruiter, but if it was only about recruiting rankings, Notre Dame would have been playing in a BCS game this year and not in the Hawaii bowl. Recruiting is only part of the equation, coaching being the rest.
 

Sounds like the brew haters are not putting winning as the number 1 goal. "I want a coach that I would feel comfortable sending my son to play for"...good lord, you just want everything don't you?
 

Sounds like the brew haters are not putting winning as the number 1 goal. "I want a coach that I would feel comfortable sending my son to play for"...good lord, you just want everything don't you?


btowngopher, let me know when we start winning the games we should.
 

Sounds like the brew haters are not putting winning as the number 1 goal. "I want a coach that I would feel comfortable sending my son to play for"...good lord, you just want everything don't you?

I'm going to defend GG on this one. Why can't he want wins and character? I mean, he and I disagree on Brewster's character (I think Brew has plenty to spare) but I agree with him that its important. I don't want to be like my Badger friends who always said "Yea Beliema is an a**hole, but he's our a**hole". I'm not saying I want someone who hands out lollipops but you can be a harda** as a coach w/o being an a**hole or lacking character.

Also, I do think that GG has listed winning as the #1 goal. He is just less willing to cut Brew slack or believe in him in part b/c he doesn't trust his character (based on his experiences).

If Brew doesn't bring W's I believe we should move on regardless of character. Winning is still the priority. But I don't think ridiculing a desire for a stand-up leader of the Gophers is appropriate.
 

btowngopher, let me know when we start winning the games we should.

You mean like the games with N. Illinois, Bowling Green, Montana St., Florida Atlantic, Indiana, Illinois, and Purdue? I thought we did win those.
 

You mean like the games with N. Illinois, Bowling Green, Montana St., Florida Atlantic, Indiana, Illinois, and Purdue? I thought we did win those.

How about against a terrible Michigan team, or losing a lead against Wisconsin, or even being competitive against Iowa.
 

How about against a terrible Michigan team, or losing a lead against Wisconsin, or even being competitive against Iowa.

I think you need to actually think about what you're writing before you hit the submit button. It's hard for people to take you serious when you keep saying things like "let me know when we start winning the games we should." I just showed you seven games from last year that we should have won and we did win.

Of the six losses, I would say that the Northwestern and Michigan games are the only ones "we should have won". Although we shouldn't have lost to Iowa 55-0, it was obvious that they were just a better team. Same with Ohio St., Kansas, and Wisconsin. I would rate the Wisconsin game as a "could have won" game.

You just seem to take the negative side of just about everything where I tend to look at the positives. That's probably why I like Brewster and you don't.
 

I think you need to actually think about what you're writing before you hit the submit button. It's hard for people to take you serious when you keep saying things like "let me know when we start winning the games we should." I just showed you seven games from last year that we should have won and we did win.

Of the six losses, I would say that the Northwestern and Michigan games are the only ones "we should have won". Although we shouldn't have lost to Iowa 55-0, it was obvious that they were just a better team. Same with Ohio St., Kansas, and Wisconsin. I would rate the Wisconsin game as a "could have won" game.

You just seem to take the negative side of just about everything where I tend to look at the positives. That's probably why I like Brewster and you don't.

Thanks for agreeing with me then, we didn't win all the games we should have won.

Of the six losses, I would say that the Northwestern and Michigan games are the only ones "we should have won". So according to your own statements we won 7 of 9 games we should have won.
 

Dude, what team wins every single game they "should have won"? Even Florida this year lost to Ole Miss, so they won 12 of 13 games they "should have won".
 

"Basketball program wasn't in shambles like everyone tries to make it sound like."

You're joking, right? I sure hope so.
 




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