Andre Hollins - NBA Draft 2013?

Will Andre Hollins be drafted in 2013?

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I have made comments about this previously, but in my opinion Andre Hollins will be in the NBA draft in 2013 if the Gophers win a few games in the tournament.

Now, before you call me crazy and say Andre has a long ways to go (Which he does in one area - Turnovers), and talk about Rodney Williams as the #3 overall pick on NBADraft.net, I give you this:

Trey Burke, the starting PG for the Michigan Wolverines, strongly considered the NBA after his freshman season. Burke was the Rivals #142 player in the class of 2011. He is listed at 5' 11" and 180 pounds, slightly small for an NBA point guard. He also put up better per game numbers than Andre did this past season.

However, digging a little deeper the main difference between the two appears to be MINUTES. If Andre can play big minutes and do an exact repeat of last seasons numbers, as well as cut down on turnovers, I think we may be watching Hollins in a Gopher uniform for the last time this season (Assuming he doesn't stay to complete his education)

Andre was a higher rated recruit than Burke (#110), is listed at 6' 1" and 200 pounds and when you compare their per minute stats, Andre scores more, steals more, and rebounds more. Burke has a better FG% (43% vs 39%), but Andre has a better 3PT% (38% vs 35%) and FT% (90% vs 74%). The key area Dre is lacking in is A/T Ratio (1.7 compared to 0.8) and playing time (Can Andre keep up those numbers with more minutes?)

After last season, he is likely slotted as the starting PG and a major minute getter. He will also have a supporting cast better than he had last season with the addition of Mbakwe. The opportunity is right there for him to prove himself an NBA caliber PG and I have no reason to believe that he won't do exactly that.

This would be an incredible thing for both Andre and the Gophers program, what better way to sign Tyus Jones than have 3 (potentially) first round draft picks in 2013, one of them being a PG. And you now have a wide open PG/SG spot available for Tyus and Vaughn to start right away. This would also mean we had a great 2012 season.

Overall, my opnion remains that Andre will be on an NBA roster at the start of the 2013 season, not the Gophers.
 


I'm a huge Andre fan and think he'll do wonderful things here, but a 1.7 to 0.8 A/T is a pretty big difference. If you're having more turnovers than assists at the college level, I'm not sure you're just a single year away from the NBA. Burke is a much more natural PG with the ability to drive and dish. At this point Andre really does not have that; he is more of a shooting guard being forced into the point guard role. I really do appreciate the optimism, but I'm pretty skeptical this would happen.
 

Burke came into Michigan as a seasoned PG, Andre is still learning as he goes, not next year but maybe the 2014 draft, not sure if his skillset is going to translate to the NBA though because of size, he really is more of a combo guard, but he improved quite a bit last year so who knows.

I'd compare Andre to Flynn right now,tough for those types of players to make it in the NBA.
 



Andre MAY have a shot at the NBA by 2015. He has the potential to be a very good, All B10 level player but I don't see a first round pick in him right now. He's a decent shooter and a nice athlete but neither his game nor athleticism scream NBA to me.
 

It seems odd that you are comparing him to a player who did not enter the draft. Burke looked at the draft for the same reason Rickert did as a freshman. it is possible that his stock will never be higher. The fact that he dropped our indicated the NBA was likely not interested.

I like Hollins a lot so i hope you are correct. If he is in the NBA in 2013 that means he (and the Gophers) had a stellar 2012-13 season. It likely would also mean 3 Gophers were drafted- that would be something.
 





Gopher Warrior said:
You gonna pass, or keep smokin that all by yourself?
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Sorry, next time I will post something about Trevor Mbakwe deserving a beheading in front of all peoples to prove his guilt, how Welch and Ralph were both snubbed in NPOY voting or that Justin Morneau should be playing single A ball right now if that will make you feel better?

jovs said:
Burke came into Michigan as a seasoned PG, Andre is still learning as he goes, not next year but maybe the 2014 draft, not sure if his skillset is going to translate to the NBA though because of size, he really is more of a combo guard, but he improved quite a bit last year so who knows.

I'd compare Andre to Flynn right now,tough for those types of players to make it in the NBA.
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Agree completely. Andre has to prove he cannot turn the ball over and having not played PG in high school, that could be a reason for struggles. My guess is he becomes more of a scoring PG this year as opposed to a SG who dribble the ball up the floor.

DontHassleTheHoff said:
I'm a huge Andre fan and think he'll do wonderful things here, but a 1.7 to 0.8 A/T is a pretty big difference. If you're having more turnovers than assists at the college level, I'm not sure you're just a single year away from the NBA. Burke is a much more natural PG with the ability to drive and dish. At this point Andre really does not have that; he is more of a shooting guard being forced into the point guard role. I really do appreciate the optimism, but I'm pretty skeptical this would happen.
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Agree completely on the turnovers, needs to improve that rating significantly. Personally, being surounded by the likes of Austin Hollins, Trevor Mbakwe and Rodney Williams should help that. Trevor should take a lot of pressure off of Andre and vice versa IMO. I think there is hope that he does that, in games he played 25+ minutes (i.e. was allowed to get comfortable) he had an A/T ratio of 1.09. This is still nothing to write home about, but it gives me reason to believe he can improve. (In games playing less than 25 minutes he had an A/T ratio of 0.68 - You could also argue here that he played more those games because he was playing better, but I think a lot of it does have to do with comfort level and being able to get settled with your teammates on the court (Reason 1,254,745 that I hate the 5 in and 5 out.)

station19 said:
You're crazy.
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Part of my reasoning is that the team plays well also. Lets say they make the elite 8 (Just because I don't feel like looking up more PG's and that is a pretty good goal too)

Here are the Starting PG's from the 8 Elite 8 teams:

Marquis Teauge (UK), Pierre Jackson (Baylor), Peyton Siva (Louisville), Erving Walker (Florida), Scoop Jardine (Syracuse), Aaron Craft (tOSU), Kendall Marshall (UNC), and Tyshawn Taylor (KU).

3 of them were drafted (Teague, Marshall, and Taylor), 1 graduated and made a summer team (Walker), 1 broke his foot training but was invited to a training camp (Jardin), 3 returned to school.

Of the 3 NBA draft picks. Andre has the second highest points per minute (Taylor) and highest steals and rebounds per minute. He has the worst FG%, best FT%, and second best 3PT% (Taylor). Once again, he lacks in A/T ratio.

Of those returning to school. Andre has the second highest points (Jackson) and rebounds (Craft) per minute and last in steals per minute. He has the lowest FG%, highest FT%, and second best 3PT% (Jackson). Once again, he lacks in A/T ratio.

I will still argue that if Hollins keeps up at the same pace in all categories, improves A/T ratio, and the Gophers make it far in the tournament he has a legit chance to declare for the draft. To put his per minute stats in perspectice, lets say he keeps the same pace and plays 35 minutes a game. He'd then average: 14.4 points, 3.0 assists, 3.5 rebounds, and 1.5 steals with a shooting split of 39-38-90 and if all of that comes on an elite 8 team? I'd say he has a decent shot. Especially if the assists number goes up and turnovers come down. Marquis Teague, on a championship team and a similar size to Andre, averaged 32 minutes and 10.0 Points, 4.8 assists, 2.5 rebounds, and 0.9 steals with a shooting split of 41-33-71.

If Andre matches Teauge's numbers and can get the 1.7 A/T ratio, I see no reason he can't get drafted.
 

I'm going to burst your bubble right now. The gophers aren't going to make the elite 8...
 

First off, that's a lot of ifs there. But regardless of that, if Dre was going into his senior season, I may agree. But guys don't leave the draft after 2 seasons just to be a training camp invite or a possible 2nd round pick, which even with a good year Dre probably would be. It's more than just flat out numbers, it's about the eye test for these scouts as well. I'm not sure his dribbling and athleticism is elite enough to warrant a 1st round pick in one good season.

He's gonna need more time to "prove" himself over the course of a few years to gain that respect, so to speak. He wasn't a highly touted kid going to a 5-star school, so his climb to the NBA is just a little different than a Marquis Teague or Kendal Marshall. You usually gotta really show out like crazy to catapult your way into a 1st round pick area when you aren't already on the NBA draft map, kinda like Derrick Williams did at Arizona.
 

Not a chance.
If he declared he'd be in Europe in 2013-2014 or the D league.
 



This thread is both hilarious and asinine.

3 NBA 1st round picks on one team? :cool02:

If you have 3 1st round picks on the same team, you are easily a Final 4 contender. The 2012-2013 Gophers aren't even a top 4 team in their own conference and a bubble team for the big dance.

This should be forwarded to the Common Man for the Preposterous Statement Tourney :cool:
 

Wow! Come on.....i dont believe that any of them will get drafted or play in the nba. Not to say that they aren't nice big 10 players.
 

zubb said:
Wow! Come on.....i dont believe that any of them will get drafted or play in the nba. Not to say that they aren't nice big 10 players.
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I'd take that bet.
 

Art Vandelay said:
This thread is both hilarious and asinine.

3 NBA 1st round picks on one team? :cool02:

If you have 3 1st round picks on the same team, you are easily a Final 4 contender. The 2012-2013 Gophers aren't even a top 4 team in their own conference and a bubble team for the big dance.

This should be forwarded to the Common Man for the Preposterous Statement Tourney :cool:
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Bubble team?
 

Didn't one of the teams that we beat in the NIT have 2 or 3 kids drafted this year?
 

gall0249 said:
Didn't one of the teams that we beat in the NIT have 2 or 3 kids drafted this year?
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Washington had 2. Ross and Wroten.
 

Is it funny or sad (regardless, it is entirely unrelated) that after months of Gold Vision's avatar being that image, I've always thought it was Jerry Kill in a practice setting until just this moment?

But, to the topic at hand:

1 first round pick seems optimistic, and I try to see the Gophers through rose-colored glasses, but I just can't see us sending 3 there (particularly Andre Hollins).
 

Must suck to start a thread that is asinine and then get totally bashed.
 


Art Vandelay said:
This thread is both hilarious and asinine.

3 NBA 1st round picks on one team? :cool02:

If you have 3 1st round picks on the same team, you are easily a Final 4 contender. The 2012-2013 Gophers aren't even a top 4 team in their own conference and a bubble team for the big dance.

This should be forwarded to the Common Man for the Preposterous Statement Tourney :cool:
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NBADraftnet has Mbawkwe at 18 and Williams as the second pick of round two. Not as prepostrous as you want to believe. I don't think it will happen but when was the last time the Gophers had rwo players in the mock drafts (and remember Hollins was easily their best player down the stretch).

http://www.nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft
 

The poll results are real nip and tuck.:rolleyes:

I assume the 1 yes pick was from sher215

Note to Parski: Leave his number alone.
 

Art Vandelay said:
If you have 3 1st round picks on the same team, you are easily a Final 4 contender.
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Someone else has already alluded to it, but the Washington team that we beat in the NIT had 2 first-rounders in the 2012 draft and have a shot at 2 more in the 2013 draft. And yes, a team that loses in the NIT is "easily" a Final 4 contender.

If your entire bit is going to be snark, the least you can do is try to not look like a f*cking idiot with each post.
 

Just because a guy is a decent college player doesn't mean he can play in the NBA. Looking at his skill set right now along with his size. He will never play in the NBA. Jordan Taylor wasn't even drafted. Dre has a long ways to go and maybe some day. But to talk about him coming out after this season is crazy.. At least Rodney has the freakish physical skills.
 

Won't rip on the guy for strating the thread, but pretty dumb question at this point. Saw some nice things from the kid last year and may even go as far as I am excited to see his potential, but come on....
 

ski-u-mah said:
Won't rip on the guy for strating (sic) the thread, but pretty dumb question at this point.
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At least you didn't rip on him.

Is there a website or historical information available that shows those draft site mocks over time? I think if you look back at their mocks say 8 months in advance of the draft, there are usually some projections that look nutso in hindsight. An 11-year old at BR could probably be as accurate as some of the draft sites.

It's far from the norm when the Big Ten gets more than 2 kids drafted in the first round (maybe twice in the last 10 years?).. I think average total draft picks in both rounds for the past decade+ has been 3 to 4 per year. I suppose 2013 actually looks like it could turn out to be a decent Big Ten draft year.
 



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