Andre going out with 3 fouls changed the complexion of the game

[howeda7]

Maybe. Or maybe he continues to commit a foul every three minutes and fouls out before the last TV timeout of the first half. I didn't have a problem with Tubby sitting Dre a stretch after the second foul. Mav didn't play well, but Welch was solid the remainder of the half. I would bet Tubby would have gone back to Dre if he needed to, but Welch's play allowed Dre to sit. I would not have minded giving Dre a few more minutes late in the half when Welch was obviously tired, but if I recall correctly we had the ball down 3 or 4 with less than 40 seconds left and an opportunity to have the last real possession of the half. Instead of making that shot and going in down 1 or 2, we didn't score and left time for Michigan to score again to go up six at the break. The big run in the second half came with the starters playing most of the minutes.

Clearly if he gets 3, you have to take him out. No one is suggesting playing him no matter what. But I think the '2 fouls and you sit til halftime' rule is silly to apply to every player and every game. Dre is too critical to making the offense run to be that cautious. Plus I again maintain that B1G refs almost never foul out the star player unless they have to, espeically at home and most of Dre's fouls are ticky-tack. Of course, MN does not always get the same treatment.

 

[MNGreatest]

Why don't we have Austin Hollins run point whenever Dre is in foul trouble? He seems more capable than Mav to me...

That is actually genius. Hopefully Tubby thinks of that but he probably won't.

 

[underground629]

One of the few times on here I've agreed with you. I have no problem with them playing all together when we're playing a weak opponent or we're up by a lot, but when the game is close and we're playing a team like Michigan, Tubby is setting them up for failure. Welch is the only player who can score but he sucks at playing in that unit. It would be interesting to know the ratio of points to turnovers that the second unit has in the BT games other than NW. 1:1? Might be too generous. I wish Tubby would rest starters a player or two (or even 3) at a time.

Tubby's spring recruits are killing this team. He definitely should have saved a couple of those 2010 scholarships instead of scrambling for a bunch of marginal guys.

 

[underground629]

Agreed. For a player who's in foul trouble quite frequently, it seems rare that he actually fouls while the player is attacking the hoop. It seems like it's a frustration foul immediately after a turnover way too often.

With the frequency of crappy reffing in college bball, I really think there should be 6 fouls. The refs influence the outcome of games way too often.

Tubby also needs to stop being so damn cautious about players fouling out. For example, when there are about 4 min left and Trevor picks up his 4th, do we really need to sit him out? Good lord.

Andre needs to quit getting those cheap frustration fouls after a miss or turnover...they are killing him!

 

[2nd Degree Gopher]

Clearly if he gets 3, you have to take him out. No one is suggesting playing him no matter what. But I think the '2 fouls and you sit til halftime' rule is silly to apply to every player and every game.

I know, I was being facetious. My point was that I didn't have a problem with Tubby taking him out when he commits two fouls in the first 6 ½ minutes. I don’t believe that when Tubby took him out he had made an absolute decision that he would not put Dre back in under any circumstances. Instead, I think he was hoping to ride out the half with the subs and Welch played well enough to allow him to do that. I agree with you that coaches, including Tubby, sometimes fear the thrid first half foul too much.