Amateur College Football Officially Dead: Judge OK's $2.8B settlement, paving way for colleges to pay athletes

It almost has to.

Do you think Penn State will fund hockey or wrestling?

In the ‘24-‘25 season, Penn State went to the Frozen Four in hockey.

In the ‘24-‘25 season, Penn State won the NCAA wrestling championship for the fourth straight year, and the 12th time in the last 15 years.

Yeah, Penn State will fund hockey and wrestling.
 

So reading the CBS story, there doesn't appear to be any clearly delineated limitations on NIL so what does this solve other than there will be money for pretty much every player?
 


In the ‘24-‘25 season, Penn State went to the Frozen Four in hockey.

In the ‘24-‘25 season, Penn State won the NCAA wrestling championship for the fourth straight year, and the 12th time in the last 15 years.

Yeah, Penn State will fund hockey and wrestling.
I know of their success but then what will they fund less than other Big 10 schools?

You have to figure football will be #1 by a wide margin. Do they walk back funding for basketball? That'd be strange for the Big 10 team.
 

Collectives and NIL won't be going away anytime soon.
Agreed.

When we think of the clearinghouse, I hope they think about it in terms of things that could potentially withstand antitrust scrutiny.
 


I think he means without player approval. It's not "artificial" in the NFL because the players collectively bargained for it and agreed to it.



Agreed to by the players. I'm not aware of any attempt by college athletes to get together and propose a limit on their NIL compensation.


Seems kinda ironic, since Congress started this mess to begin with. Plus, how do you pass a law saying one organization can violate anti-trust and not be sued, but everyone else who violates it can be sued? Do you have a link?
While I know it is not the same thing, there was more than zero agreement by players. The players were the class of the settlement and they agreed to the terms of it, as far as the $20.5M starting point went.

If they thought that was too low, why settle?

Like I said, that's not a collective bargain agreement, and probably not by a long shot. But it is something.


This is the Tweet I know of:



Just a bill in the House, for now.
 

Agreed.

When we think of the clearinghouse, I hope they think about it in terms of things that could potentially withstand antitrust scrutiny.
If new law passes granting the NCAA protections from antitrust -- feel free to shoot that down as never going to happen, I have no idea if it has a shot or not -- then I personally like the idea of the clearinghouse being able to reject NIL deals where the player doesn't have to do anything or not very much in order to get the money.

On the other hand, NIL deals where it's a bonafide endorsement deal, like for a TV commercial or something, then great. Glad the player can get that and good for them.
 

While I know it is not the same thing, there was more than zero agreement by players. The players were the class of the settlement and they agreed to the terms of it, as far as the $20.5M starting point went.

If they thought that was too low, why settle?

Like I said, that's not a collective bargain agreement, and probably not by a long shot. But it is something.


This is the Tweet I know of:

Just a bill in the House, for now.
That's different from NIL, and NIL is what you were asking about in post #13 in regards to "artificial limits". No college athletes have tried to collectively bargain a cap for NIL.
 

On the other hand, NIL deals where it's a bonafide endorsement deal, like for a TV commercial or something, then great. Glad the player can get that and good for them.
I don't have high hopes for it happening in sports like football and basketball but would be awesome if they got NIL to the point where NIL deals were actually legit NIL and not Pay for Play.

NIL as designed is a great and long overdue thing for college athletes. The issue is that most of what gets called NIL in football and basketball specifically isn't. If they are able to start monitoring and making sure NIL deals are legit that would be awesome....but again.....not holding my breath.
 



If it's bona fide NIL, that should be true but if it's just disguised pay-for-play, that certainly can be limited. In fact, in reading about the settlement some months ago, there was a planned task force (supposed to be headed by one of the top accounting firms) that would monitor and set standards about what is and what is not legitimate NIL.

Determining what is reasonable compensation for particular services or property is not an impossible task. That is done all the time in the financial sector and by the tax authorities. Caitlin Clark's funds from NIL and endorsements as a professional are easily supported. Large NIL funding to a much more obscure college athlete is more suspect.

The problem will be that this ^ is blatantly illegal.

What comes next after this stupidity, we can guess at.
 

The problem will be that this ^ is blatantly illegal.

What comes next after this stupidity, we can guess at.
Yeah, I'm not sure what the poster was getting at with the tax authorities and stuff. How would someone from the IRS know the value? I think he's crossing two things. When you're a business and you wanna write off a loss or something, you can, but the IRS reviews it. But there's a base that exists - you can say how much you paid out for labor, how much you paid out for capital equipment, etc. and when you add up those receipts, the IRS can check that the total matches what you deducted.

There is no such base for NIL. Does the IRS think Caitlin Clark is worth $28M to Nike? No, they just collect the tax. Does the IRS look into what TRS paid Naz Reid to see if it was too much for some billboard promotions? Nope. But somehow they're supposed to have the magic eye for college athletes?

This is just people wanting regulation where it just can't exist.
 

yep i think your "hope" for what this type of thing does is it allocates a pot of money which may change the differential between schools and conferences. Maybe someone gets involved from each conference and/or the NCAA and mandates via a CBA that this all comes to a central pot then is distributed or it'll remain with the schools and they'll all have different budgets and can spend as they wish. This money differential may make it so that's its no so discrepant amongst and so a guy will stay at say a Minnesota because the money is still pretty good versus what he gets at Bama. If some dipshit wants to give someone money, you can't regulate that other than to say they have to pay taxes on it unless you're going to willingly enter into a contract (maybe they'll mandate this and the players will choose to sign it for other protections, but i'd doubt it) that says you can't
 

When I got tickets to last year's Michigan v Minnesota football game at Ann Arbor, I got on one of their mailing lists. Here's the email I just received from the Michigan AD regarding the effects of the judges decision and how it affects Michigan.

"Dear Michigan Fans, Alumni, and Supporters,

On Friday evening (June 6), Judge Claudia Wilken gave final approval of the House vs. NCAA case, which will drastically change the landscape of college athletics. The settlement results have a significant impact on the finances of our department and the way college athletics are structured. Three key changes are coming to college sports as a result: first, the introduction of a revenue sharing model which allows schools to fund and share up to $20.5 million with student-athletes; second, new roster limits will be phased in over time for all sports; third, unlimited scholarships up to a sport's newly established roster limit.

The prospect of these added costs left U-M Athletics facing a projected deficit of nearly $27 million for the 2025-26 academic year ($20.5 million to fully participate in revenue sharing and $6.2 million in new scholarships). With only six home football games this fall, our projected year-over-year decline in revenue of roughly $19.1 million steepens these costs. The department has implemented several measures to counteract these new expenses. Through adjustments to university financing, budget cuts, travel policies, not filling select positions when vacated and the utilization of new revenue streams, we have reduced our estimated need from $27 million to $15 million for the coming year.

I would like to explain how we improved our financial position and why we still need your continued support.

A fixed factor in this equation is the revenue sharing money as defined by the House settlement. A maximum of roughly $20.5 million per school can be shared with student-athletes for this coming year. Schools can distribute that money any way they see fit. That figure is calculated using a formula that incorporates revenues from media rights, ticket sales, sponsorships, and licensing, calculated at an average across Power 4 institutions. Those inputs are tracked annually, meaning the $20.5 million total will rise in future years. That money, combined with the value of tuition, room and board, and the many other benefits already provided, leaves NCAA student-athletes in a position to receive a similar percentage of revenue shared with professional sports athletes. We will support our student-athletes with the full amount allowed each year to remain competitive for Big Ten Conference and National championships.

Another fixed factor to consider is scholarship costs, which are rising. The results of the House settlement will allow departments to offer full scholarships for every roster spot on every team, directly connecting a team’s ability to compete to its level of scholarship support. With 82.1 new scholarships added across 19 sports for fall 2025, at a cost of an additional $6.2 million, Michigan Athletics will be supporting athletic scholarships at an annual total cost of nearly $40 million.

To combat the added cost, the department staff will gradually decline in number through two methods: attrition, with a long-term goal of a 10 percent reduction in total staff, and through a stricter approval process for new hires. The department has committed to more than $10 million in budget cuts for the coming fiscal year, and has worked with the main campus to reduce its allocation from TV revenue to the university from $8 million to $2 million. We also revamped our travel policy, which resulted in over $900,000 in savings during 2024-25.

Our athletic department is also producing more revenue from events in our facilities, such as our partnerships with Upper Deck Golf and AEG/Zach Bryan. Events such as international soccer matches and the 2014 NHL Winter Classic generated between $750,000 and $3 million each for the department in the past. The 2024 calendar year saw the implementation of alcohol sales at Crisler Center, Yost Ice Arena, and Michigan Stadium, which generated over $2.25 million for the department. We will continue to evaluate other opportunities to generate additional revenue throughout the department.

These changes have been a tremendous undertaking for our department, but we know they are just the beginning. We ask for your continued support and understanding, and welcome your questions, comments, and concerns.

Go Blue!
Warde Manuel
Warde Manuel
Donald R. Shepherd Director of Athletics"
Thanks FinnGopher! Looks like Michigan is going to have to make some BUSINESS decisions! I'm really upset the $20.5 million isn't enough. The horror!
 



I get where you're coming from, but I would hate to lose WBB and Mens Baseball. One would think that in a city with all of our Fortune 500 companies, we could get a couple to donate to both, but apparently not.....
I'm sorry if you enjoy these sports and they are likely going away. It sucks when you have a history with something and you lose it. I do empathize with you on that. All I can say is we definitely don't have a shortage of entertainment options in this down. Am I right?

I am, however, on the other side of this argument with you. I read someplace that faculty to admin used to be 2:1 at major universities, but now it is 1:2. No, I cannot find the article, but does anyone seriously doubt this? Faculty drive revenue because they directly teach students, most of them paying students. I could care less if most of the non-rev sports go away. It's one less bloated part of the college administrative apparatus. Universities make money by having paying students, not coaches for non-rev sports (admin) or athletes on scholarship for those sports. Less admin will lower costs for the average student...like my kids. Admittedly, I might feel differently if one of my kids was on an athletic scholarship right now. Ha! I'm only human!

Hiring of administrative employees outpaces faculty, enrollment​

https://mndaily.com/294316/campus-a...inistrative employees,rise of fake email jobs.

Oh, I realize you were making a different point about having corporations support non-rev. I have no problem with that, but focusing on that wouldn't have allowed me to get on my soapbox!;)
 
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I'm sorry if you enjoy these sports and they are likely going away. It sucks when you have a history with something and you lose it. I do empathize with you on that. All I can say is we definitely don't have a shortage of entertainment options in this down. Am I right?

I am, however, on the other side of this argument with you. I read someplace that faculty to admin used to be 2:1 at major universities, but now it is 1:2. No, I cannot find the article, but does anyone seriously doubt this? Faculty drive revenue because they directly teach students, most of them paying students. I could care less if most of the non-rev sports go away. It's one less bloated part of the college administrative apparatus. Universities make money by having paying students, not coaches for non-rev sports (admin) or athletes on scholarship for those sports. Less admin will lower costs for the average student...like my kids. Admittedly, I might feel differently if one of my kids was on an athletic scholarship right now. Ha! I'm only human!

Hiring of administrative employees outpaces faculty, enrollment​

https://mndaily.com/294316/campus-administration/hiring-of-administrative-employees-outpaces-faculty-enrollment/#:~:text=The number of administrative employees,rise of fake email jobs.

Oh, I realize you were making a different point about having corporations support non-rev. I have no problem with that, but focusing on that wouldn't have allowed me to get on my soapbox!;)
No worries. Maybe the best answer would be to reduce admin?
 

if they got NIL to the point where NIL deals were actually legit NIL and not Pay for Play.

Who cares if some rich moron wants to pay to make his favorite college team great?

If you don't want it to happen then college players need a collectively bargained agreement with rules.
 

I read someplace that faculty to admin used to be 2:1 at major universities, but now it is 1:2. No, I cannot find the article, but does anyone seriously doubt this?
I remember reading that during the 10 years of Yudof, the U hired an average of slightly more than 1 person per week with the word "Administrator" appearing somewhere in the title.

Yes, I believe you.

And yes, I believe non-revenue sports should go away. This is professional now. We have bar leagues and such for people who want to play softball and stuff after high school.
 

I remember reading that during the 10 years of Yudof, the U hired an average of slightly more than 1 person per week with the word "Administrator" appearing somewhere in the title.

Yes, I believe you.

And yes, I believe non-revenue sports should go away. This is professional now. We have bar leagues and such for people who want to play softball and stuff after high school.
this would be very interesting to see what ESPN/BTN/TV networks who fill with this kind of stuff would do as many random sports serve as fillers on their family of networks.

I agree with you the way money and resources are divvied to these students is wild and gotten out of hand. Like I get it, you're putting in tons of time, energy, effort, etc., but it is also your choice to do so (the same as mine was to study or others is to balance study and work). For non-revenue generating sports, the argument you're an asset to the U/brand is less comparatively. It's going to continue to accelerate in non-sustainable ways for University's to continue to do because of the current climate that demands you treat softball players resources the same as football (for Univ offerings) that I agree many places will just cut them.
 

I remember reading that during the 10 years of Yudof, the U hired an average of slightly more than 1 person per week with the word "Administrator" appearing somewhere in the title.

Go look at the Gophers staff directory and count how many deputy, executive, associate and assistant athletic directors they have. Twenty years ago, there were probably 5-6. Now it's approaching 25-30.
 

Who cares if some rich moron wants to pay to make his favorite college team great?

If you don't want it to happen then college players need a collectively bargained agreement with rules.
If you want open pay for play above the table with no restrictions fine....but don't call it NIL which is a legit thing that is great for college athletes.
 

If you want open pay for play above the table with no restrictions fine....but don't call it NIL which is a legit thing that is great for college athletes.
I’ve said all along they need to stop bothering to differentiate between NIL, pay for play, etc.
Just let people spend and earn their money however the market bears.
 

I’ve said all along they need to stop bothering to differentiate between NIL, pay for play, etc.
Just let people spend and earn their money however the market bears.
Yeah it’s just painful in this current market where it’s supposed to be equal playing field. It clearly is not and it’s fine to just admit it
 

The problem will be that this ^ is blatantly illegal.

What comes next after this stupidity, we can guess at.
Bold: not with new law and/or collective bargaining.

Personally I don't think it should be illegal. Do you? I don't see it being that different than lenders can deny giving a mortgage to a buyer of your for sale house simply because you agreed upon a price, if they say via legitimate appraisal that the house is not worth that much.
 

I’ve said all along they need to stop bothering to differentiate between NIL, pay for play, etc.
Just let people spend and earn their money however the market bears.
I disagree with this. Legit NIL is great for college athletes. Revenue sharing is a good idea for college sports as a way to pay the players.....but pay for play stuff sucks in college athletics and really takes away from what the sport is supposed to be about.

I get that cheating has been part of things forever and the playing field has never been level but at least there was an amateur aspect to college sports that differentiated it from pro sports. That of course has been fully stripped away from basketball and football with all the current BS. Is what it is but it is unfortunate in my opinion.

College sports shouldn't be about the money but of course in this day and age they are.
 

I disagree with this. Legit NIL is great for college athletes. Revenue sharing is a good idea for college sports as a way to pay the players.....but pay for play stuff sucks in college athletics and really takes away from what the sport is supposed to be about.

I get that cheating has been part of things forever and the playing field has never been level but at least there was an amateur aspect to college sports that differentiated it from pro sports. That of course has been fully stripped away from basketball and football with all the current BS. Is what it is but it is unfortunate in my opinion.

College sports shouldn't be about the money but of course in this day and age they are.
I say make the cheaters go back under the table.

They get a good amount of ego stroking by having been allowed to be over the table. They get to waltz around with everyone knowing what they did, how much, and that they were the one who did it. Like a prized booster with a seat of honor at the table.

When they were just lowly bagmen, they had to do their work in secret with no honor or recognition. Just an occasional wink and nod from the coach and AD. That's back where they belong, if they're going to cheat.

I like everything going through the school, with a level playing field cap, and then players can pursue legitimate NIL deals (bonafide endorsements, etc.) on top of that, to their heart's content.
 

I disagree with this. Legit NIL is great for college athletes. Revenue sharing is a good idea for college sports as a way to pay the players.....but pay for play stuff sucks in college athletics and really takes away from what the sport is supposed to be about.

I get that cheating has been part of things forever and the playing field has never been level but at least there was an amateur aspect to college sports that differentiated it from pro sports. That of course has been fully stripped away from basketball and football with all the current BS. Is what it is but it is unfortunate in my opinion.

College sports shouldn't be about the money but of course in this day and age they are.
What is the sport supposed to be about and who gets to decide that?
 

What is the sport supposed to be about and who gets to decide that?
College sports is supposed to not be a minor professional league.

As soon as it becomes that, it loses almost all value to fans. No one cares about the UFL. But they care about college football.
 




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