All Things NFL Playoffs/Super Bowl Thread

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Slim Tubby said:
2-2 today but they made you sweat it.
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Even a broken NYC is right twice a day🤷‍♂️.
I was so confident of the 🐻 comeback, that after Williams’ second pick, halfway through the third quarter, I went to the land of nod🤠

Today FWIW, I’m rolling with: Jags,49ers & Chargers,
Oilers on Monday.

Slim Tubby said:
I thought they fired Doogie???
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I think he’s Carl Gerbschmidt.

I have never listened to Dan B show before and was moved by indigestion to do so on Friday, and I heard the bit with Carl, and thought that’s a @Spaulding!No! vehicle 🚗 if I’m ever heard one.
 

howeda7 said:
Now will the Packers fire LaFluer?
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There are two guys that I can think of that have somehow gotten by for years and years and I'm just convinced they don't have a f*ng clue; LaFleur and Zac Taylor. I was convinced LaFleur was clueless during the Rodgers years and now here he is, still f*ng things up.

The Bears are just such a complete fraud. Johnson will keep them .500 or better because he's a really good play caller.

Interesting stat for last night, for two of the worst run defenses in the NFL: neither team rushed for over 100 yards, and they combined to rush for about 3.8 YPC.
 

upnorthkid said:
Narrative on Williams going to change drastically based on 2nd vs 1st
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Williams is a slightly above 50% completion QB. His greatest skill is that he's hard to tackle in the pocket. Teams will figure out how to keep him the pocket with their pass rush, like teams have with Kyler Murray, and make him throw from the pocket where he's marginal at best.

The biggest thing I took from last night's game is that neither of these teams will have an elite QB to face the Vikings in the division for a number of years. I just don't buy either one of them as a top 6-8 QB in the league, not even close.
 

Ogie Ogilthorpe said:
There are two guys that I can think of that have somehow gotten by for years and years and I'm just convinced they don't have a f*ng clue; LaFleur and Zac Taylor. I was convinced LaFleur was clueless during the Rodgers years and now here he is, still f*ng things up.

The Bears are just such a complete fraud. Johnson will keep them .500 or better because he's a really good play caller.

Interesting stat for last night, for two of the worst run defenses in the NFL: neither team rushed for over 100 yards, and they combined to rush for about 3.8 YPC.
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Man you have some weird takes on the rest of the NFC North.
 

Ogie Ogilthorpe said:
There are two guys that I can think of that have somehow gotten by for years and years and I'm just convinced they don't have a f*ng clue; LaFleur and Zac Taylor. I was convinced LaFleur was clueless during the Rodgers years and now here he is, still f*ng things up.

The Bears are just such a complete fraud. Johnson will keep them .500 or better because he's a really good play caller.

Interesting stat for last night, for two of the worst run defenses in the NFL: neither team rushed for over 100 yards, and they combined to rush for about 3.8 YPC.
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Ogie Ogilthorpe said:
Williams is a slightly above 50% completion QB. His greatest skill is that he's hard to tackle in the pocket. Teams will figure out how to keep him the pocket with their pass rush, like teams have with Kyler Murray, and make him throw from the pocket where he's marginal at best.

The biggest thing I took from last night's game is that neither of these teams will have an elite QB to face the Vikings in the division for a number of years. I just don't buy either one of them as a top 6-8 QB in the league, not even close.
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Agree 100% on your comment on the above 2 coaches. LaFleur just seems like he gets really tight and risk averse in the playoffs.

The Bears being a fraud, I'd say more they're just exactly who they've shown to be to this point. Wildly inconsistent with holes who requires turnovers/misplays from the other team to win. Very similar to the Vikings year they lost to the Giants/Daniel Jones. They could win next week but no one would be surprised if they get housed by 3 scores. The North is too talented to just get by winning purely based on playcalling. There are good players on the Bears team (as does every team in the North) and is why the records were so all over the place in terms of cross over games

That being said, I don't think this is just a Johnson thing. He called one of the worst sets of 4th downs you'll see for a team that prides itself on being power run focused and downhill. Williams does some really good things that I don't think you're going to just be able to shell him in. he can throw from the pocket drastically better than Kyler who can't see over the line. Probably closer to what teams do to Lamar Jackson in terms of how they'll treat him, though a much less dynamic runner.

As far as where he ranks, yeah I don't think he's a top 5 guy, though he has all the tools to get there in terms of arm talent. He's too erratic right now as he throws so much off platform (we'll see if Johnson can get him to be more like Goff, which you can tell he wants him to be even though he is far better out of the pocket than in in terms of what he does that's "special").

Kind of an interesting time in the NFL right now as far as QBs go. Some consensus guys up top that are still young/in prime (Allen, Mahomes, Jackson, Burrow) and then the old guard who can still sling it (Stafford and I'd probably throw Goff and Prescott in here) with some younger guys who still have some things to prove but could be really great (Herbert, Purdy, is this the real Trevor Lawrence?, etc). Then this new generation who looks very talented (I'd add Nix, Williams and Daniels in here but a tier below Maye who looks to have a much higher floor).

Agree with you on Love. He just doesn't seem to have that "it" and I think that may be the only thing that makes Williams a little harder for me to write into that category yet. Maybe it will be a one off season where he does this, but the trajectory looks pretty good. I'm not as hung up on the comp % given the length of route is much deeper in Johnson's system and the TD/Int ratio is way up and he's taking way less sacks holding the ball. We'll see, guys typically make the biggest jumps in year 2 under the same system (which is the same thing we're all hoping for with Mccarthy)
 



oh bills

edit: love watching Josh Allen play. Really hope he finds a way this year in what may be one of his best chances with Mahomes and Jackson already out. Jags should've taken points imo. Going into the 2nd half trailing is going to feel like a massive mountain and points would've felt a whole lot different
 
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Ogie Ogilthorpe said:
Pretty classless really. Not surprising coming from Johnson

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the degree to which you dislike the Bears is impressive

Don't think he was really going with this is directly targeted at them. Clear the teams do not like each other, but seemed a whole lot more about his guys in that room rather than a pointed statement at the Packers.

That said, I agree with Johnson and would add the Bears in as well.
 


Ogie Ogilthorpe said:
Pretty classless really. Not surprising coming from Johnson

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Your hatred for all things CHI now has you sounding like an ultra Liberal with this take. If I'm a Bears player or fan watching this, I'm running through walls for Johnson. It's the oldest rivalry in sports.

I think some folks better come to grips that all signs are pointing towards this young Bears team being very competitive for a while, especially with Johnson as their coach.

I do think that CHI and GB are both overrated, though, and that's tied to the limitations/flaws of their QBs. I'd take Williams over Love at this point and I would've laughed at myself for saying this before the season.
 

Slim Tubby said:
Your hatred for all things CHI now has you sounding like an ultra Liberal with this take. If I'm a Bears player or fan watching this, I'm running through walls for Johnson. It's the oldest rivalry in sports.
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Grab ‘em by the pussy is just locker room talk, but swearing in an actual locker room…omg…let me clutch my pearls!
 

Slim Tubby said:
Your hatred for all things CHI now has you sounding like an ultra Liberal with this take. If I'm a Bears player or fan watching this, I'm running through walls for Johnson. It's the oldest rivalry in sports.
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That may be true, it's just that when I think of most of the classy coaches in the league, today or before, there really isn't one of them who would have been caught on camera doing something like what Johnson did postgame, particularly when you combine it with the postgame handshake and the locker room rant.

Opinions vary.
Slim Tubby said:
I think some folks better come to grips that all signs are pointing towards this young Bears team being very competitive for a while, especially with Johnson as their coach.

I do think that CHI and GB are both overrated, though, and that's tied to the limitations/flaws of their QBs. I'd take Williams over Love at this point and I would've laughed at myself for saying this before the season.
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That would be a tough call, maybe a coin flip? I do know one thing, I don't think I would sign either one of them to a contract of what the going rate is now for a "top-tier franchise QB" these days, north of $200-$250M.

I don't see the Bears reproducing next year anything near what they did this year. A historic Turnover differential (which almost always reverts back to the mean), the self-induced implosion of a number of teams against them, the schedule advantages they had being a last placed team, etc.

It'll be interesting, can't wait for next season already.
 

Ogie Ogilthorpe said:
That may be true, it's just that when I think of most of the classy coaches in the league, today or before, there really isn't one of them who would have been caught on camera doing something like what Johnson did postgame, particularly when you combine it with the postgame handshake and the locker room rant.

Opinions vary.


That would be a tough call, maybe a coin flip? I do know one thing, I don't think I would sign either one of them to a contract of what the going rate is now for a "top-tier franchise QB" these days, north of $200-$250M.

I don't see the Bears reproducing next year anything near what they did this year. A historic Turnover differential (which almost always reverts back to the mean), the self-induced implosion of a number of teams against them, the schedule advantages they had being a last placed team, etc.

It'll be interesting, can't wait for next season already.
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think we perhaps don't really know given we just didn't have cameras in a ton of locker rooms and there are numerous examples of some of these greats having a bunch of expletive laden speeches and rants

that said, for a dude that seems like a cheeseball with the good better best crap, did catch me off guard. does seem about as arrogant as Williams, which is a good match for biggest coach/QB diva combos
 

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