All Things 2025 Playoffs and Bowl Thread

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mnhoopboy said:
I'll take a proven winner over personality
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PJ has been a head coach for 13 years, coached 162 games, and has a winning percentage of .593 .600 at Minnesota

Hall of Fame Critera, but the career winning percentage has been lowered to .595:

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Selection Process

Members of the National Football Foundation, as well as athletics directors, coaches and members of CoSIDA are responsible for the final vote induction into the Hall of Fame. First and
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  • A coach becomes eligible three full seasons after retirement or immediately following retirement provided he is at least 70 years old. Active coaches become eligible at 75 years of age. He must have been a head football coach for a minimum of 10 years and coached at least 100 games with a .600 winning percentage.
 



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PJ has been a head coach for 13 years, coached 162 games, and has a winning percentage of .593 .600 at Minnesota

Hall of Fame Critera, but the career winning percentage has been lowered to .595:

www.cfbhall.com

Selection Process

Members of the National Football Foundation, as well as athletics directors, coaches and members of CoSIDA are responsible for the final vote induction into the Hall of Fame. First and
www.cfbhall.com www.cfbhall.com
  • A coach becomes eligible three full seasons after retirement or immediately following retirement provided he is at least 70 years old. Active coaches become eligible at 75 years of age. He must have been a head football coach for a minimum of 10 years and coached at least 100 games with a .600 winning percentage.
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WTF?
 

Unregistered User said:
PJ has been a head coach for 13 years, coached 162 games, and has a winning percentage of .593 .600 at Minnesota

Hall of Fame Critera, but the career winning percentage has been lowered to .595:

www.cfbhall.com

Selection Process

Members of the National Football Foundation, as well as athletics directors, coaches and members of CoSIDA are responsible for the final vote induction into the Hall of Fame. First and
www.cfbhall.com www.cfbhall.com
  • A coach becomes eligible three full seasons after retirement or immediately following retirement provided he is at least 70 years old. Active coaches become eligible at 75 years of age. He must have been a head football coach for a minimum of 10 years and coached at least 100 games with a .600 winning percentage.
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He was 53rd amongst active coaches in winning % coming into the year. I don’t think this is the magic bar, but is more in place to allow for coaches who were innovators at smaller places who may not be winning nattys to be in the HoF (given why it was changed after Mike Leach’s death).

That said, PJ has a decent resume for this early in his career. He needs more “highs” as he’s not getting in based on contribution to the field. Ik not necessarily what you were saying, but it’s a little misleading to post the CFB hof criteria on a post about a proven winner to use as an argument for that pj is one
 

I'll be rooting heavily for Oregon.

Make Cuban's money vaporize into thin air with nothing to show for it! See how long he keeps doing that.
 

GopherGrit said:
I'll be rooting heavily for Oregon.

Make Cuban's money vaporize into thin air with nothing to show for it! See how long he keeps doing that.
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went from the TTU-Oregon NIL bowl to the Indy-Oregon NIL bowl.

re Cuban. He's worth estimated 6billion

If he were to just place half his money in a high yield savings account, he'd have 90million to throw into NIL every single year. This whole thing about how they're wired to make money and so on entirely misses the point. If they dumped it in and sucked, sure could see it. But guys like Cuban, Campbell, Pegula, etc. see a mission or goal and know they have a limited lifespan and can't take it with them. Others will decide to penny hoard and want the "notoriety" of name recognition and control (see Sanford, Denny). Cuban's been on record saying this is all triggered by Cignetti and his relationship with him. Seems pretty on par for how he's done business, at least what's out there publicly.

All that to say, if you have a billionaire backer, the amount of money they have is just so stupid high it grossly tips the scales depending on the sport they want to back
 



upnorthkid said:
went from the TTU-Oregon NIL bowl to the Indy-Oregon NIL bowl.

re Cuban. He's worth estimated 6billion

If he were to just place half his money in a high yield savings account, he'd have 90million to throw into NIL every single year. This whole thing about how they're wired to make money and so on entirely misses the point. If they dumped it in and sucked, sure could see it. But guys like Cuban, Campbell, Pegula, etc. see a mission or goal and know they have a limited lifespan and can't take it with them. Others will decide to penny hoard and want the "notoriety" of name recognition and control (see Sanford, Denny). Cuban's been on record saying this is all triggered by Cignetti and his relationship with him. Seems pretty on par for how he's done business, at least what's out there publicly.

All that to say, if you have a billionaire backer, the amount of money they have is just so stupid high it grossly tips the scales depending on the sport they want to back
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The guys you cite, including Cuban! (was), are professional owners.

That's the perfect model. You get to officially be part of the team. You get to hoist the trophy at the end of the season. You own it. The profit the team generates as a profitable business, is yours. And then you get the ROI when you sell your ownership.

None of that exists for NIL donors.

NIL donation is not viable as a long term scheme to get rich dudes involved in CFB, in any way similar to owning a professional franchise.


Also from your example:
- he'd have to pay capital gains taxes on that $90M ... NIL is not, and it G-D better well never be, some tax haven
- I'm quite certain all of his money is already currently invested, same with all billionaires
 


Yesterday (and Friday night as well) was all about QB play. The better QB won each game in the quarterfinals.

As a bonus, Prince Hillbilly (Smart) isn't going to win the National Championship. Dabo will always be King Hillbilly. And before everyone gets all out of joint and paints me as a cultural elitist, I come from a family of the Minnesota equivalent of Hillbilliness and didn't live in a house that had running water and a dial telephone until I was six years old.
 
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If you told me in September that Ohio St., Alabama, Georgia, and Notre Dame wouldn't be one of the final 4 in the CFP, I would have dismissed the thought.
 

Whytetale said:
If you told me in September that Ohio St., Alabama, Georgia, and Notre Dame wouldn't be one of the final 4 in the CFP, I would have dismissed the thought.
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On oct 1 those teams had already combined for 4 losses

I agree with that statement though because I wouldn’t have believed Ohio state didn’t make it
 

GopherGrit said:
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Also from your example:
- he'd have to pay capital gains taxes on that $90M ... NIL is not, and it G-D better well never be, some tax haven
- I'm quite certain all of his money is already currently invested, same with all billionaires
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If nobody is enforcing tax evasion does it exist? Phony charity yes/no?

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GopherGrit said:
I'll be rooting heavily for Oregon.

Make Cuban's money vaporize into thin air with nothing to show for it! See how long he keeps doing that.
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Id listen more seriously to the argument that stupid amounts of money allowed Indiana to simply buy a winning team if the narrative at the start of the season was "look at this ridiculous stacked roster, this team should be favored to win the big ten and steamroll its way into the semifinals as the top seed in the CFP." It seems like the narrative that this was an absurdly stacked roster only materialized after Indiana beat Oregon and the folks arguing that Indiana wasnt good and had just gotten lucky with their schedule dating back to last season had to come up with a new argument to diminish Indiana's success.

Jealousy is hard, it is much more comforting to try to explain away Indiana's success than it is to acknowledge that even historical doormats, with the right coach, dont operate under some kind of impenetrable ceiling (not saying the OSU's of the world dont have an easier path to success, just that historical mediocrity or futility is not destiny).
 

The Athletic:

A college football changing of the guard arrived all at once, plus more CFP quarterfinal takeaways​

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/69...tball-playoff-scores-result-indiana-ole-miss/

No. 1 Indiana humiliating mighty Alabama 38-3 in a CFP quarterfinal was not particularly surprising to anyone who watched the two teams this season, but it was simultaneously incomprehensible to anyone who ever watched college football prior to 2024. The now 14-0 Hoosiers did much the same thing to Alabama that Alabama used to do to the likes of Notre Dame, Michigan State, Washington and other postseason foes under Nick Saban.

It was college football’s ultimate “changing of the guard” moment.

And then four hours later, Ole Miss knocked off Georgia.

College football is a fundamentally different sport today than it was just two years ago, when it was still largely the same closed-off country club for the nation’s traditional programs. Case in point, the 2025 semifinals feature two schools, Indiana and Oregon, that have never won a national championship; a third, Ole Miss, that last won one in the early ’60s; and Miami, making its return after getting kicked out of the club 20 years ago.

Who between them eliminated three of the four most recent national champions, Ohio State, Georgia and Alabama, in the quarterfinals

How fun is this?
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
Id listen more seriously to the argument that stupid amounts of money allowed Indiana to simply buy a winning team if the narrative at the start of the season was "look at this ridiculous stacked roster, this team should be favored to win the big ten and steamroll its way into the semifinals as the top seed in the CFP." It seems like the narrative that this was an absurdly stacked roster only materialized after Indiana beat Oregon and the folks arguing that Indiana wasnt good and had just gotten lucky with their schedule dating back to last season had to come up with a new argument to diminish Indiana's success.

Jealousy is hard, it is much more comforting to try to explain away Indiana's success than it is to acknowledge that even historical doormats, with the right coach, dont operate under some kind of impenetrable ceiling (not saying the OSU's of the world dont have an easier path to success, just that historical mediocrity or futility is not destiny).
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I'll say again for posterity:

without Mendoza, IU is 9-3 regular season with losses to Iowa, Oregon, and Penn State. A great season compared to the history of IU football, but nothing special, no Big Ten title, and not in the CFP
 

GophersInIowa said:
Even crazier to me is Indiana is the only team to make it to the semifinals the last two years that played in their conference championship.
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Actually Indiana is the 2nd.

Penn St in 2024 lost to Oregon in the Big 10 Championship and still qualified for the CFP. They beat SMU & Boise St prior to losing to Notre Dame in the CFP Semis.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
Id listen more seriously to the argument that stupid amounts of money allowed Indiana to simply buy a winning team if the narrative at the start of the season was "look at this ridiculous stacked roster, this team should be favored to win the big ten and steamroll its way into the semifinals as the top seed in the CFP." It seems like the narrative that this was an absurdly stacked roster only materialized after Indiana beat Oregon and the folks arguing that Indiana wasnt good and had just gotten lucky with their schedule dating back to last season had to come up with a new argument to diminish Indiana's success.

Jealousy is hard, it is much more comforting to try to explain away Indiana's success than it is to acknowledge that even historical doormats, with the right coach, dont operate under some kind of impenetrable ceiling (not saying the OSU's of the world dont have an easier path to success, just that historical mediocrity or futility is not destiny).
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Yep. Nobody predicted anything close to this run. As I’ve pointed out several times their transfer classes the last couple years were ranked in the mid 20s similar to the Gophers. Their 2023 team was awful. Program, awful. Their new coaches were a bunch of nobodies outside of the Oline coach who spent time at Wisconsin years ago.

Just enjoy this spectacle. A rise from the ashes we’ll likely never see again.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Even crazier to me is Indiana is the only team to make it to the semifinals the last two years that played in their conference championship.
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The conference schedules don’t necessarily make the top teams have the best records anymore. The conference championships in divisionless college football is supposed to be better because the “best two” go to the conference title game


If the ACC had a schedule that made their best team win the conference, Miami would be a conference champion who won.
The ACC title game, in my opinion, was neither of the top two teams in the ACC. Duke and Virginia combined for 0 wins against Miami, Pitt, SMU, and Georgia teach (teams 3-6)


If the conference schedule was better in the SEC, ole miss beats bama in regular season and then Georgia in the SEC title game instead of last night. Hell the schedule didn’t even need to change, if Auburn holds on against bama ole Miss beat Georgia in SEC title game instead of last night.
Etc

In the big 10 the best team won the conference….but the second best team perhaps didn’t make the conference title game (Oregon)



The conferences are too big. The variance of the schedules matters more than ever before.

People on this board like to talk about how the west was easy. And it was an easier schedule than Maryland or Rutgers usually got…but it was pretty consistent.
It was never as easy as Texas A&M got this year. It was never has hard as Wisconsin got this year.
 

Ope3 said:
Actually Indiana is the 2nd.

Penn St in 2024 lost to Oregon in the Big 10 Championship and still qualified for the CFP. They beat SMU & Boise St prior to losing to Notre Dame in the CFP Semis.
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Oops, you are right.
 

Ope3 said:
Actually Indiana is the 2nd.

Penn St in 2024 lost to Oregon in the Big 10 Championship and still qualified for the CFP. They beat SMU & Boise St prior to losing to Notre Dame in the CFP Semis.
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Then his point applies if you tweak it to won their conf championship, also a wild thing!
 

GopherGrit said:
I'll be rooting heavily for Oregon.

Make Cuban's money vaporize into thin air with nothing to show for it! See how long he keeps doing that.
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Rooting for Nike/Phil Knight money over Cuban dough is an interesting choice.


Even if they lose, I think Indiana winning the Big 10 for the first time since 1967, beating Ohio St for the first time since 1988 and winning their 1st Rose Bowl ever to make it to the CFP Semifinals seems like that there is plenty to show for his return of investment.
 


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