All Things 2025 Minnesota Vikings In-Season Thread

[Ope3]

The KAM era needs to come to an end and nothing can change my opinion at this point. His overall horrific draft history and the collection of stiffs he overspent on this year seal the deal for me.

KOC also has some liability here but I'm not firing the waitress because the food stinks. His play calling is poor but he's more than earned another opportunity. As others have pointed out, the new GM may want his own guy, though.

Another poor GM decision by the Wilfs will only set this organization back another 3-5 years so they better get this one right, assuming they do the right thing and escort Kwesi out of the building.

If the food is lousy and the waitress spills the drinks then both should go. 2 games without a TD. Uffda.

What confidence do you have if KAM isn't the right GM that the Wilfs have it in them to make the right call? Two decades plus now under their stewardship.

This will be Year 6 without a Playoff Victory. They have only had 2 longer dry spells, both 8, and one of those started with their 1961 Expansion Season.

Burns & Green went dry 1989 - 1996. Thanks Mike Lynn & Herschel. At least Jerry & Denny (RIP) both were getting to the Playoffs on the regular. They lost 6 straight Post-Season games until Randall Cunningham rallied them at the Meadowlands in 1997.

 

[upnorthkid]

Watching drake maye makes me ill we didn’t just make a bigger offer and land the guy we wanted

 

[Ogie Ogilthorpe]

Fire KAM and hire John McKay from the Rams. He's already worked with KOC so let him make the decision if he stays or goes.

I'm really indifferent if KOC stays at this point. He has good qualities but his stubborn, and terrible play calling outweighs his positives.

I still really like KOC as the Head Coach. But he has 100% lost me as a play-caller. I've just heard too many smart people talk about how basically anyone can draw up neat passing plays and call a good passing game but the truly great playcallers can run the ball. He seems utterly incapable and/or disinterested. The OL has had some injuries and that's a problem, but they are far from a poor OL.

Someone else should be calling the plays. If I were the Wilfs, as hands-off as they are, I would be stepping in to say something

You've got your own beast down in ARI because Walter Nolen going to be a monster if he stays healthy.

Nolen has been great when he's been on the field, but he hasn't been on the field that much. He's hurt again it sounds like. If they can get Nolen, Darius Robinson, and BJ Olujari on the field and playing to their potential, they could have a dangerous defensive front along with Josh Sweat.

 

[Spaulding!No!]

Watching drake maye makes me ill we didn’t just make a bigger offer and land the guy we wanted

Koc is spreading the rumor that he wanted drake but was over ruled. Chere enfant.

 

[TRF Guy]

 

[howeda7]

Fire KAM and hire John McKay from the Rams. He's already worked with KOC so let him make the decision if he stays or goes.

I'm really indifferent if KOC stays at this point. He has good qualities but his stubborn, and terrible play calling outweighs his positives.

Is he McVey's uncle or something?

 

[howeda7]

If the food is lousy and the waitress spills the drinks then both should go. 2 games without a TD. Uffda.

What confidence do you have if KAM isn't the right GM that the Wilfs have it in them to make the right call? Two decades plus now under their stewardship.

This will be Year 6 without a Playoff Victory. They have only had 2 longer dry spells, both 8, and one of those started with their 1961 Expansion Season.

Burns & Green went dry 1989 - 1996. Thanks Mike Lynn & Herschel. At least Jerry & Denny (RIP) both were getting to the Playoffs on the regular. They lost 6 straight Post-Season games until Randall Cunningham rallied them at the Meadowlands in 1997.

The Twins have won a playoff round more recently than the Vikings. Therefore the Pohlad's are better owners than those awful Wilf's.

 

[golf]

Vikes have 3 playoff wins in last 20 years. Packers have 13 wins.

 

[Ope3]

The Twins have won a playoff round more recently than the Vikings. Therefore the Pohlad's are better owners than those awful Wolf's.

Pohlads vs Wilfs is like debating whether Steven Seagal or Dolph Lundgren is the better dramatic actor.

If the Pohlads got more than $400 million annually in TV revenue like Wilfs do each year, maybe there would be a clearer winner.

 

[Ope3]

Vikes have 3 playoff wins in last 20 years. Packers have 13 wins.

Better Owners.

 

[Slim Tubby]

If the food is lousy and the waitress spills the drinks then both should go. 2 games without a TD. Uffda.

What confidence do you have if KAM isn't the right GM that the Wilfs have it in them to make the right call? Two decades plus now under their stewardship.

This will be Year 6 without a Playoff Victory. They have only had 2 longer dry spells, both 8, and one of those started with their 1961 Expansion Season.

Burns & Green went dry 1989 - 1996. Thanks Mike Lynn & Herschel. At least Jerry & Denny (RIP) both were getting to the Playoffs on the regular. They lost 6 straight Post-Season games until Randall Cunningham rallied them at the Meadowlands in 1997.

I have the chef fired and don't tip the waitress. As much influence as KOC might've had on the JJM pick, he still doesn't have the final say. That's the GM. Now if someone like Tomlin becomes available...

I make no excuses for anyone involved. They all make way too much money not to be good at their jobs and produce results.

Confidence in the Wilfs to be financially supportive? Complete confidence. Hiring another GM? Not so much. Next time, try not hiring an Executive from arguably the worst operated franchise in the NFL.

 

[Slim Tubby]

Pohlads vs Wilfs is like debating whether Steven Seagal or Dolph Lundgren is the better dramatic actor.

If the Pohlads got more than $400 million annually in TV revenue like Wilfs do each year, maybe there would be a clearer winner.

The Wilfs spend as much on the team roster as allowed by the rules but suck balls hiring the right people to run their business.

The Pohlads spend as little as possible on the team roster and suck balls hiring the right people to run their business.

They are not the same.

 

[howeda7]

Pohlads vs Wilfs is like debating whether Steven Seagal or Dolph Lundgren is the better dramatic actor.

If the Pohlads got more than $400 million annually in TV revenue like Wilfs do each year, maybe there would be a clearer winner.

It's more like debating if Pee Wee Herman or Tom Hanks is a superior actor.

 

[Ope3]

The Wilfs spend as much on the team roster as allowed by the rules but suck balls hiring the right people to run their business.

Spending as much as the rules allow really isn't all that altruistic when they are raking in a half a billion annually. It's also hardly unique in NFL circles. If they can't hire the right people to begin with, it's a moot point anyway.

The Pohlads spend as little as possible on the team roster and suck balls hiring the right people to run their business.

They did have record payroll in 2023. The local TV revenue vanished.

They are not the same.

Neither are the economics of MLB & the NFL.

 

[Ope3]

It's more like debating if Pee Wee Herman or Tom Hanks is a superior actor.

Poor analogy.

Pee Wee Herman/Paul Reubens was quite well decorated in the 90s for his children's TV show, nominated for a slew of Daytime Emmys. He also was nominated Prime Time for Murphy Brown and won one posthumously for his recent documentary this year.

Tom Hanks is well...Tom Hanks, going back to back for Best Actor Oscars in the 90s and was nominated as recently 2020 (Supporting).

Neither the Pohlads nor the Wilfs have even been to either the World Series or Super Bowl this century. Empty Trophy Cases.

Over the last 20 years equally responsible for this gem:

Twins/Vikings/Wild/Wolves Championship appearance drought tracker

With the NFL season officially over, it’s now been a combined 97 seasons since any of them went to a championship game/series. The teams are 0-7 since then in chances to go to their championship.

gopherhole.com

 

[Slim Tubby]

Spending as much as the rules allow really isn't all that altruistic when they are raking in a half a billion annually. It's also hardly unique in NFL circles. If they can't hire the right people to begin with, it's a moot point anyway.

This is true.

They did have record payroll in 2023. The local TV revenue vanished.

A "record payroll" for the Pohlad family is equivalent to Sal Butera setting a personal best Batting Average.

Revenue vanishes when fans lose interest because the Owner refuses to pay for a competitive product on the field. They stop buying tickets and paying for concessions. They stop watching on cable/dish TV. They stop buying streaming packages. They stop buying their merchandise.

Neither are the economics of MLB & the NFL.

The Pohlads purchased the Twins for $44M and that ownership equity has skyrocketed to an estimated $1.7B roughly 40 years later. They have no interest in anything but clearing a profit or at least breaking even.

The Wilfs have hired poorly but put their money where there mouth is including building state of the art team facilities. There's a reason the Vikings are always at the top of organizational grades by their players.

They are not remotely the same type of ownership groups. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one which isn't a crime.

 

[Ope3]

Confidence in the Wilfs to be financially supportive? Complete confidence. Hiring another GM? Not so much. Next time, try not hiring an Executive from arguably the worst operated franchise in the NFL.

Yeah, who would have guessed hiring an Exec from the Browns would ultimately be a failure? I guess everyone not named Zygi or Mark Wilf.

No matter how much they spend they take in a massive profit while their franchise increases in value. Proving it is idiot proof in that regard. Daniel Snyder couldn't even go broke owning one.