All Things 2022 Minnesota Vikings In-Season Thread

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Nope.

if the Vikings would've somehow got the 2nd seed, then somehow it would've been the Packers as the 7th, and then we would've lost to them.


That's how that works. You know this
If they'd beaten the Packers that would have eliminated them.
 

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If they'd beaten the Packers that would have eliminated them.
As was already clearly stated, I'm not talking about winning the Packers game.

That was never on the table to do -- as the game outcome clearly showed.
 

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My favorite play was dropping Hunter 20 yards deep to cover the running back while Tommlenson attempted to hold the edge and keep Jones in the pocket. He failed to do that and Jones picked up 15 yards or so while Tommlenson tried to keep up.

I figured that play and scheme was a perfect summation of the season.
 





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At least we not the Dallas Cowboys when it come to kicker. Brett Maher has already missed 3 XP.

That 4 missed XP.
 
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At least we not the Dallas Cowboys when it come to kicker. Brett Maher has already missed 3 XP.

That 4 missed XP.
He will be a future Vikings kicker. The Minnesota Sports Gods demand it.
 

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At least we not the Dallas Cowboys when it come to kicker. Brett Maher has already missed 3 XP.

That 4 missed XP.
I'd have taken up 24-0 yesterday with 4 missed extra points.
 



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Unless SF bows out next week and Shanahan comes after him, this is the end of the line for Tom Brady.
 

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Is Tampa Bay throwing this game? Holy shit, they are terrible right now.
 

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The only time he checked down on 3rd or 4th down were the last two drives of the game and both times had lots of pressure on him.

I‘m not going to bother to go back and look but pretty sure I saw what I saw. Fair to disagree on pressure. He’s a statue, which is part of the problem.

Average NFL arm, stats suggest a lot of check downs/high completion percentage shorter throws, not a running threat whatsoever and he’s not someone that evades pressure maybe all that well, like on the 4th down. Is he “the guy” for a championship team? I don’t know. Maybe with a good defense, which is clearly a huge problem and goes back to maybe too much cap cost for the QB.

Mea culpa, I don’t follow the Vikes closely. Just my armchair impressions and worth exactly .02.
 

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What? What two drives did he torpedo?

Cousins gets killed just about every game. He played extremely well today other than that last boneheaded decision.

Good luck with this argument. You're trying to reason with folks who think it's absolutely egregious that roughly the 10-12th best QB in the NFL gets paid like about the 10-12th highest paid QB in the NFL.

Some crazy shit, no doubt about it...
 



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I‘m not going to bother to go back and look but pretty sure I saw what I saw. Fair to disagree on pressure. He’s a statue, which is part of the problem.

Average NFL arm, stats suggest a lot of check downs/high completion percentage shorter throws, not a running threat whatsoever and he’s not someone that evades pressure maybe all that well, like on the 4th down. Is he “the guy” for a championship team? I don’t know. Maybe with a good defense, which is clearly a huge problem and goes back to maybe too much cap cost for the QB.

Mea culpa, I don’t follow the Vikes closely. Just my armchair impressions and worth exactly .02.
I can tell. The whole check down/short throw stat has always been made up. He has usually been above average in how far downfield he throws.

This year specifically he averaged more air yards per attempt than Mahomes, Rodgers, Herbert, Lawrence, Goff, and others. In 2021 he finished 3rd in all of the NFL in air yards per attempt.
 


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You of course get to speak for you.

Speaking for myself: I feel the opposite. Close losses to teams we should've beat in otherwise good seasons sting more than getting blown out and turning it off at halftime.

The season feels like a fraud.


You're right that the Buffalo and Indy games were special in their own right. Those will always be special ... as one-offs. They won't be remember as part of the overall 2022 season.

The statistical fact that the Vikings were outscored in the regular season despite being 13-4 is what makes that obvious, and unlikely unable to be sustainable.

It was fun though. I enjoyed the ride.

To me a best case scenario in 2023 would be a regression to 10-7, but still have that good enough to win the NFC North. Unfortunately that will be tough with an improved Lions, while the Vikings play a 1st Place schedule.

Could also be in play for a Wild Card, but winning 3 straight games on the road in January is a tall order in terms of Super Bowl aspirations.
 

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We could've lost both the Buffalo and Indy games. Extremely easily.

Then we're 11-6, only two games better than Detroit, and only the #3 seed because the NFC South is so bad. Suddenly then, the loss to the Giants would have a bit of the edge taken off.


I think that's the correct way to look at this season.


All the karma/bad luck from 2021 got reversed and dumped on us in one go a year later.
 

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I can tell. The whole check down/short throw stat has always been made up. He has usually been above average in how far downfield he throws.

This year specifically he averaged more air yards per attempt than Mahomes, Rodgers, Herbert, Lawrence, Goff, and others. In 2021 he finished 3rd in all of the NFL in air yards per attempt.
He had a great year, especially for how much he got hit.

He'll be 35 next year and I wouldn't expect the OL to suddenly get much better, when there are so many other areas of the team that need help.

I really wouldn't be shocked if it was the same five guys. People love to rip Bradbury, but he actually did play better this year.

He has the same kind of build and skillset as Jason Kelce, the Eagles Center who was the other unanimous All-Pro selection on offense (other than JJ). Let's see how he handles Lawrence this weekend, I bet he gets bull-rushed at least once. That's a big, hungry boy!



Back to Kirk ... at his age, with how much of a statue he is .... can he take another beating like that, and keep tickin'?



Regardless, has to be his last ride with the Vikes. Maybe we keep most of the true offensive weapons, just get rid of Cook and Thielen, and have a huge upgrade on defense. Maybe that's enough to put it over, if Kirk can play close to the same.

We'll see. That's what they're going to try to do.
 

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If Purdy ends up being the next Steve Young ..... do we try to get Lance?

Probably would cost an arm & a leg?
 


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If Purdy ends up being the next Steve Young ..... do we try to get Lance?

Probably would cost an arm & a leg?
Seems logical they the 49ers would keep both, given that they going to be relatively cheap on rookie contracts for a couple of years. Hard to gage the trade value on Lance, so little game action.
 

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If Purdy ends up being the next Steve Young ..... do we try to get Lance?

Probably would cost an arm & a leg?
Lance probably wouldn't cost as much as you'd think. He only has two more seasons under contract and he isn't that cheap. He hasn't played yet and he's coming off a significant injury.

I think a 2nd would probably get him.

The interesting question is what does San Fran do? Do they let Jimmy G. walk AND trade Lance?
 



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I‘m not going to bother to go back and look but pretty sure I saw what I saw. Fair to disagree on pressure. He’s a statue, which is part of the problem.

Average NFL arm, stats suggest a lot of check downs/high completion percentage shorter throws, not a running threat whatsoever and he’s not someone that evades pressure maybe all that well, like on the 4th down. Is he “the guy” for a championship team? I don’t know. Maybe with a good defense, which is clearly a huge problem and goes back to maybe too much cap cost for the QB.

Mea culpa, I don’t follow the Vikes closely. Just my armchair impressions and worth exactly .02.

Put every QB in the NFL behind the #1 OL, and Kirk is top 2 or 3. He can absolutely make you pay when he has time to throw.

But he is not a guy who is going to be able to make up for a bad OL like we have. (#23 pass block, #27 run block according to ESPN.) He collapses under pressure, he can't extend plays, and he isn't a scrambling threat.

Bottom line is don't invest in Kirk if you haven't first invested in your OL.
 
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Put every QB in the NFL behind the #1 OL, and Kirk is top 2 or 3. He can absolutely make you pay when he has time to throw.

But he is not a guy who is going to be able to make up for a bad OL like we have. (#23 pass block, #27 run block according to ESPN.) He collapses under pressure, he can't extend plays, and he isn't a scrambling threat.

Bottom line is doing invest in Kirk if you haven't first invested in your OL.
I vote JMS for the first draft pick. Replace Bradbury with him and get a guard to at least compete with Ingraham.
 

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Lance probably wouldn't cost as much as you'd think. He only has two more seasons under contract and he isn't that cheap. He hasn't played yet and he's coming off a significant injury.

I think a 2nd would probably get him.

The interesting question is what does San Fran do? Do they let Jimmy G. walk AND trade Lance?
What is Jimmy Gs contact status?
 





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