All Things 2022-2023 Minnesota Twins Off-Season Thread

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Gopher_In_NYC said:
Oliver Ortega?
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I don't know about this pickup. Prove me wrong.​

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201518DSL AngelsDominican Summer LeagueFRkLAA2015-06-012015-08-18
201619AZL AngelsArizona LeagueRkLAA2016-06-202016-08-07
201821Burlington BeesMidwest LeagueALAA2018-05-182018-09-01
201922Inland Empire 66ersCalifornia LeagueA+LAA2019-04-082019-07-30
201922Mobile BayBearsSouthern LeagueAALAA2019-08-042019-08-30
202023Tigres del LiceyDominican Winter LeagueFgW2020-11-302020-12-06
202124Rocket City Trash PandasDouble-A SouthAALAA2021-05-072021-07-27
202124Salt Lake BeesTriple-A WestAAALAA2021-07-302021-08-29
202124Los Angeles AngelsAmerican LeagueMajLAA12021-09-082021-10-03
202124Tigres del LiceyDominican Winter LeagueFgW2021-10-282021-12-01
202225Los Angeles AngelsAmerican LeagueMajLAA12022-04-082022-08-06
202225Salt Lake BeesPacific Coast LeagueAAALAA2022-06-212022-09-22
 

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#2Gopher said:

I don't know about this pickup. Prove me wrong.​

Teams Played For​


YearAgeTmLgLevAffStintFromTo
201518DSL AngelsDominican Summer LeagueFRkLAA2015-06-012015-08-18
201619AZL AngelsArizona LeagueRkLAA2016-06-202016-08-07
201821Burlington BeesMidwest LeagueALAA2018-05-182018-09-01
201922Inland Empire 66ersCalifornia LeagueA+LAA2019-04-082019-07-30
201922Mobile BayBearsSouthern LeagueAALAA2019-08-042019-08-30
202023Tigres del LiceyDominican Winter LeagueFgW2020-11-302020-12-06
202124Rocket City Trash PandasDouble-A SouthAALAA2021-05-072021-07-27
202124Salt Lake BeesTriple-A WestAAALAA2021-07-302021-08-29
202124Los Angeles AngelsAmerican LeagueMajLAA12021-09-082021-10-03
202124Tigres del LiceyDominican Winter LeagueFgW2021-10-282021-12-01
202225Los Angeles AngelsAmerican LeagueMajLAA12022-04-082022-08-06
202225Salt Lake BeesPacific Coast LeagueAAALAA2022-06-212022-09-22
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Gopher_In_NYC said:
Txs.

Perfect for our pen!
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The above comment was a joke 😎
 



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#2Gopher said:

I don't know about this pickup. Prove me wrong.​

Teams Played For​


YearAgeTmLgLevAffStintFromTo
201518DSL AngelsDominican Summer LeagueFRkLAA2015-06-012015-08-18
201619AZL AngelsArizona LeagueRkLAA2016-06-202016-08-07
201821Burlington BeesMidwest LeagueALAA2018-05-182018-09-01
201922Inland Empire 66ersCalifornia LeagueA+LAA2019-04-082019-07-30
201922Mobile BayBearsSouthern LeagueAALAA2019-08-042019-08-30
202023Tigres del LiceyDominican Winter LeagueFgW2020-11-302020-12-06
202124Rocket City Trash PandasDouble-A SouthAALAA2021-05-072021-07-27
202124Salt Lake BeesTriple-A WestAAALAA2021-07-302021-08-29
202124Los Angeles AngelsAmerican LeagueMajLAA12021-09-082021-10-03
202124Tigres del LiceyDominican Winter LeagueFgW2021-10-282021-12-01
202225Los Angeles AngelsAmerican LeagueMajLAA12022-04-082022-08-06
202225Salt Lake BeesPacific Coast LeagueAAALAA2022-06-212022-09-22
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I think the Rocket City Trash Pandas is my new favorite team nickname. And it explains Falvey's interest. He loves dumpster diving.
 




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#2Gopher said:
Perhaps a joke. But I'm trying to figure out the value of picking this guy up based on his history everywhere. Wasn't targeted at anyone on this thread.
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Well, they clearly saw some value in him. enough so that, when the Twins claimed Ortega on waivers, they designated Blayne Enlow for assignment. Enlow was - at one time - one of the Twins' top pitching prospects, but he's had some injury problems and struggled after returning to the the mound. Enlow was not claimed and will be in the Twins' minor-league system this season.

Ortega, 26, appeared in 27 games for the Angels last season and pitched to the tune of a 3.71 ERA across 34 innings, striking out 33. He had 35 combined relief appearances in two seasons with Los Angeles.

I think it's that old story of the Twins seeing a guy with some talent - but some clear flaws - and thinking that they can "fix" him. a lot of these reclamation projects have not panned out. we'll see if this guy amounts to anything. considering some of the mutts the Twins have tried in the pen, Ortega probably can't be much worse. If nothing else, he's a body for St. Paul.
 

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short ornery norwegian said:
Well, they clearly saw some value in him. enough so that, when the Twins claimed Ortega on waivers, they designated Blayne Enlow for assignment. Enlow was - at one time - one of the Twins' top pitching prospects, but he's had some injury problems and struggled after returning to the the mound. Enlow was not claimed and will be in the Twins' minor-league system this season.

Ortega, 26, appeared in 27 games for the Angels last season and pitched to the tune of a 3.71 ERA across 34 innings, striking out 33. He had 35 combined relief appearances in two seasons with Los Angeles.

I think it's that old story of the Twins seeing a guy with some talent - but some clear flaws - and thinking that they can "fix" him. a lot of these reclamation projects have not panned out. we'll see if this guy amounts to anything. considering some of the mutts the Twins have tried in the pen, Ortega probably can't be much worse. If nothing else, he's a body for St. Paul.
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Every team does it, not just the Twins. Ortega would be somewhere else if it weren't the Twins. In this case, there's really no downside for the move. Can easily be released if he doesn't pan out.
 










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From the Parkinglot said:
I have no idea how to feel about this trade. I don’t know if Correa will be happy. I am sure he like having a guy take 7-10 pitches an at a bat in front of him every time.
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It's an OK trade if we're not trying to win in 2023-2024. The prospect is the Marlins #4, but he's in A ball. But we just spent $200 million that says we are trying to win and now we trade our best hitter from an already questionable offense. This FO continues to be all over the place.
 



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GopherWeatherGuy said:
Good trade for now and the future. Quality starter and quality prospects for a utility player.
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He's more than a utility player, but I get what you are saying. Utility players are known to be able to play multiple positions but are mostly glue/bench guys. Arraez was the best hitter last year.

I am leaning toward liking the trade though.
 

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howeda7 said:
It's an OK trade if we're not trying to win in 2023-2024. The prospect is the Marlins #4, but he's in A ball. But we just spent $200 million that says we are trying to win and now we trade our best hitter from an already questionable offense. This FO continues to be all over the place.
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I disagree. I think at worst this is a wash now and helps in the future. Arraez was our best on base guy for sure but I don't think he's the best overall hitter. Correa arguably had a better year at the plate, along with Buxton.

This gives them another SP under team control beyond this upcoming season. And the team is stacked at infield with guys like Lee and Lewis.

I'm usually half-glass full and just my opinion. It does suck to lose Arraez though, he's so well liked.

The top 5 prospect is 19 years old, the other guy is just 17.
 
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They need a RHB, and a guy who can DH and play some 1B now, especially since Kiriloff staying healthy is no sure thing.

Welcome back, Miguel Sano!
 



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if you take the emotion out of it, this was a good deal for the Twins.

They get a relatively young SP and two prospects, including the #5 prospect in the Marlins' system and a kid who played well last year in the Dominican Summer League.

Hey, Arraez was a fun player. But, as I have said, he is not a strong fielder, has little power, and does not run all that well. The Twins (IMHO) got maximum value in return.

and - there could be more moves. still a month before Spring Training, so it's not out of the question that this trade might set up another deal.

Let's see what the roster looks like on Opening Day.
 

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GophersInIowa said:
I disagree. I think at worst this is a wash now and helps in the future. Arraez was our best on base guy for sure but I don't think he's the best hitter. Correa arguably had a better year at the plate, along with Buxton.

This gives them another SP under team control beyond this upcoming season. And the team is stacked at infield with guys like Lee and Lewis.

I'm usually half-glass full and just my opinion. It does suck to lose Arraez though, he's so well liked.

The top 5 prospect is 19 years old, the other guy is just 17.
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I like this move too. Arraez isn't a prototypical DH and is a negative defensively regardless of where you put him. He just doesn't have a position.

This was in the works when the Twins initially thought they had Correa and then came back to the forefront when Correa came back to them. Play Brooks Lee all year long at 3B and assume he is ready by 2024. This year Miranda stays at third with Kirilloff at 1st. They probably need a long term option at 2B. Martin and Lewis are obviously in the fold too. That's a good infield if healthy.

The Twins now have 8 or 9 legitimate starting pitching options. They potentially lose 3 at the end of this year. By extending Paddock and getting Lopez, they extend their young, controllable starting pitching into 2024. Hopefully we continue to see fewer and fewer Bundy/Archer type starting pitching signings in the future.

Now trade Kepler for a bullpen piece.
 

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GophersInIowa said:
I disagree. I think at worst this is a wash now and helps in the future. Arraez was our best on base guy for sure but I don't think he's the best overall hitter. Correa arguably had a better year at the plate, along with Buxton.

This gives them another SP under team control beyond this upcoming season. And the team is stacked at infield with guys like Lee and Lewis.

I'm usually half-glass full and just my opinion. It does suck to lose Arraez though, he's so well liked.

The top 5 prospect is 19 years old, the other guy is just 17.
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It might be a good trade long-term, but I don't see it as a wash for 2023. This likely means either Ober or Maedawill not be in the Opening Day rotation. Is Lopez better than them? Probably. Maeda is a big unknown. Is he significantly better? I doubt it. Not enough to offset the loss on offense.
 






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