AJ Barker tweets 5 page letter, states liberation, no longer has suicidal thoughts

I wonder if people understand how little interaction a football player has with coaches other than their position coach. If the head coach runs the offense and you play defense, you may well play for 5 years and have the same number of conversations with your head coach.

Ding, ding, ding.... We have a winner! Great point, Studwell. Some people seem to think the team is comprised of about 15 close-knit guys that all have daily interaction with each other and all of the coaches on the staff. Over four years, I know I can count the number of 1-on-1 conversations I had with my head coach (or the LB coach, or the secondary coach, the TE coach, etc) on one hand.

Or maybe the kid was just an asshole.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...
 

I'm not sure who to quote first on here. Folks - everything AJ said was off. None of it was right. Even after this there are still folks here saying, "but if Kill really did...". He didn't. Some are saying, "Kill should have....". He shouldn't have. AJ was 100% the issue in this situation. 100%. If you disagree you are wrong. If you aren't convinced you are slow. 100%. No blame to share - he gets it all.
 

Without a doubt this is the best post ever on this subject. I am in complete agreement with it. The fact that AJ is obviously suffering from mental health issues has not altered my opinion about Jerry Kill's pathetic handling of this situation. It was a total fail on Kill's part. I too believe Kill regrets his behavior toward AJ. I think he has admitted that he would do things differently if he could do it all over again. As a human being, Kill must think about his failure all the time. Especially now that AJ is back in the news.

Most other coaches would have found a way to deal with AJ without humiliating him in front of his teammates and pushing him over the edge emotionally. It should be obvious to everyone by now that Kill's over-the-top temper tantrums were detrimental even to his own health. We all know that he has had to dial it way back in order to remain the Gopher's coach. I am guessing that everyone who knows Kill (including his wife) are a lot happier being around him now. Too bad AJ had to be his last victim.

From what I remember, the only part of the story we know is what Barker has said. So don't you think it's a little odd to take Barker's statement as 100% the truth right after you say "AJ is obviously suffering from mental health issues"?

Just because Kill says he would have done things differently doesn't mean he handled it "pathetically". Who knows, maybe he was just trying to take some of the blame off the kid. We don't know what really happened, and never will.
 

Most other coaches would have found a way to deal with AJ without humiliating him in front of his teammates and pushing him over the edge emotionally. It should be obvious to everyone by now that Kill's over-the-top temper tantrums were detrimental even to his own health. We all know that he has had to dial it way back in order to remain the Gopher's coach.

Quite sure most coaches would have handled it pretty much the same way. They're in a high stress job. They're controlling, manipulative, demanding, and authoritative as a rule and not as an exception. Being ultimately responsible for maybe 100 players whom you are constantly trying to act as a unit doesn't give you a lot of time or motivation to take the approach you feel should have been taken. Give us a list of head college and pro coaches who would have handled this that differently and I'm pretty sure you could find at least several players who felt like they were treated too harshly or unfairly by them. Pat Fitzgerald had maybe one of the most most positive reputations as an understanding and sensitive coach and some of his players want to form a union now? Tony Dungy probably could have saved AJ, but, damn, we just missed hiring him. I'm done bashing AJ for obvious reasons but that doesn't mean I think Kill was out of line.
 

And we as fans know all of the answers. If only the world was that simple.
 


Quite sure most coaches would have handled it pretty much the same way. They're in a high stress job. They're controlling, manipulative, demanding, and authoritative as a rule and not as an exception. Being ultimately responsible for maybe 100 players whom you are constantly trying to act as a unit doesn't give you a lot of time or motivation to take the approach you feel should have been taken. Give us a list of head college and pro coaches who would have handled this that differently and I'm pretty sure you could find at least several players who felt like they were treated too harshly or unfairly by them. Pat Fitzgerald had maybe one of the most most positive reputations as an understanding and sensitive coach and some of his players want to form a union now? Tony Dungy probably could have saved AJ, but, damn, we just missed hiring him. I'm done bashing AJ for obvious reasons but that doesn't mean I think Kill was out of line.

Apparently, some of us believe the line is very wide and a great deal of latitude should be given coaches even when apparent mental illness stares them in the face. Either the family label holds or it is false. Would a family member just let AJ or any other player disintegrate in front of them or would there be more compassion. When I think of family, I think of compassion. The most favorable alleviator of stress is the influence of parental figures when seen positively. The worst stressful situation is when a parent acts negatively during depression or anxiety. So, if the coaches are trying to associate themselves with the players as a football family, they need to pay close attention to the mental health of their players or real damage can occur. I would say separation from the team is significant damage. With a family, separation is an act of desperation. At what point would you say the coaches were out of line when the final relationship ends with a player in definite need of support? We heard so often that "this is football" or "what does this have to do with coaching?" a view that negates responsibility outright. We don't pay the coaches big money to ignore the safety of the players. In fact we have physicians who are available to look after the players, including mental health. I don't think we can just give the staff a free pass on Barker because it is a "game" and the coaches "are not parents".
 

And we as fans know all of the answers. If only the world was that simple.

We examine the ethics of life because we have an interest. If we stop searching for answers, where does that leave us? I would think the answer is 'nowhere'. I would rather be talking about it as a community.
 

Apparently, some of us believe the line is very wide and a great deal of latitude should be given coaches even when apparent mental illness stares them in the face. Either the family label holds or it is false. Would a family member just let AJ or any other player disintegrate in front of them or would there be more compassion. When I think of family, I think of compassion. The most favorable alleviator of stress is the influence of parental figures when seen positively. The worst stressful situation is when a parent acts negatively during depression or anxiety. So, if the coaches are trying to associate themselves with the players as a football family, they need to pay close attention to the mental health of their players or real damage can occur. I would say separation from the team is significant damage. With a family, separation is an act of desperation. At what point would you say the coaches were out of line when the final relationship ends with a player in definite need of support? We heard so often that "this is football" or "what does this have to do with coaching?" a view that negates responsibility outright. We don't pay the coaches big money to ignore the safety of the players. In fact we have physicians who are available to look after the players, including mental health. I don't think we can just give the staff a free pass on Barker because it is a "game" and the coaches "are not parents".

I don't disagree with any of this actually. My point is that the program is run probably like every other major program in the country. At what point was AJ diagnosed as having all of these problems? I've stopped following this, but on what are you basing your diagnosis now? Sorry, I don't expect a staff to have a psychiatrist whose job it is to analyze the behavior of a player who isn't following the program. Kill dealt with him like a football coach who wasn't dealing with an injury the way he was supposed to. Some people are saying he should have done it differently based on a lot of hindsight, second-guessing, conjecture, and Dr. Phil psychology used from afar.

IMO, Kill also shouldn't be criticized for actions after AJ left the team. Very dramatic to now label it, "an act of desperation." People with issues burn their bridges all the time and it doesn't set off interventions and soul-searchings. The kid doesn't follow team rules, is pissed about not getting a scholarship, evidently wasn't shy about expressing his opinions, and now writes a letter trying to humiliate a coach in as public a way as he can. Very, very few coaches would say, "This is a cry for help. We've got to do something." Easy again to say Kill's getting paid big bucks and there are physicians to look after players and safety was ignored. In that environment with what Kill was seeing at the time both before and after the letter I simply don't think Kill did anything wrong. Incidentally, since you bring up family, what did AJ's do during this time? If he is in need, wouldn't you think, in today's media, we would be hearing of their concerns. All I know about them is that Mom has a best friend.

I get it filtered through the media, but Kill comes across as a coach who does care about his players. It's a form of "tough love" at times, but it seems to be pretty effective looking at graduation rates, classroom performance, arrest rates, number of embarrassing incidents, players' testimonies, etc.
 

Or maybe the kid was just an asshole.

Exactly. Obviously, this kid has psychological issues. I feel some level of sympathy for him in that regard since mental illness is very difficult to cope with. But on the other side, the kid did absolutely everything he could to try and nuke the program and Kill as coach on his way out. In other words, the kid is full of himself and is also an asshole. He doesn't get to be excused for acting like a punk just because he has issues. He has to own up to his own actions, regardless of his "difficulties" at the time. The sooner that he realizes this, the better off in life he'll be.
 



I wish the Mods will give this thread assisted suicide. Who cares about this? Spring game and hockey playing for the title. Go Gophers!
 

Much like Royce White, AJ Barker has legitimate mental health issues. In both cases, mental health issues don't excuse d1ckhead behavior.
 


I get it filtered through the media, but Kill comes across as a coach who does care about his players. It's a form of "tough love" at times, but it seems to be pretty effective looking at graduation rates, classroom performance, arrest rates, number of embarrassing incidents, players' testimonies, etc.

Verbal abuse and humiliation aren't in the same universe as "tough love". The most effective way to show "tough love" is to provide discipline with fairness, firmness, and without raising your voice. Kill may care about his players but he has a lot to learn about how to handle them if Barker's situation is any indication. If his quotes in the media are to be believed Kill does seemed to have learned some valuable lessons from this whole ugly mess. I believe he will benefit from it just as much as his players, if not more so. After all, the lessons to be learned might just keep him alive to coach another football season.
 



Should college athletes be given the MMPI test to identify those that will need counseling?

Do all college athletic programs have psychological counseling available to athletes?

It is clear that some college kids in general buckle under emotional and psychological stress and need help. What happened or didn't happen to AJ, IMHO the team can learn from. It is clear that he is a kid with issues, I only wish him the best.

The pressure to win has to be very stressful on both coaches and athletes when you are trying to rebuild a program in the fashion that Jerry Kill did.

Looking at the overall results, we have to be very proud at what the Gopher Football Program has accomplished in a relatively short period of time. It could have been disastrous like UNLV's.
 

Kill may care about his players but he has a lot to learn about how to handle them if Barker's situation is any indication.

Again, you can't take ANY of what AJ said as fact. ZERO of it. Not sure how that isn't obvious???
 

Again, you can't take ANY of what AJ said as fact. ZERO of it. Not sure how that isn't obvious???

AJ isn't the only source for what Kill did to him, and what goes on at Gopher football practices in general. Not by a long shot.
 


Kill has always said that he does not treat everybody the same because everyone is different. He also has stated when he tried very hard to reach A.J. when he found out he was having problems but he was not able to do so. There are so many examples about Jerry and Rebecca being there for his players I find it a shame that some of you believe that Jerry was the problem. Many of his players have had very difficult lives and Kill has been there for them. He has often said sometimes he loses a player because he was too late. Barker made it impossible for Kill to save him. That wasn't Kills fault.
 

If getting yelled at by a coach is too much to handle then that person should not be on the team. That person probably shouldn't be a lot of things. Learn to deal with stress. Counseling, medication, take a sabbatical. Whatever it takes. Transfer in a civilized manner recognizing sometimes personalities just don't match.

Name a coach of a major FBS team that AJ would get along with. We'll be waiting.

Coach is the leader. He gets to lead his way, not your way or AJ's way. Coach doesn't need to change because a mentally ill,over-privileged prima donna gets his feelings hurt and torches the team, the coaches, and the medical staff on his way out of town.

Similar to opinions on raising kids, I have a feeling some of us will never agree on this.
 

Similar to opinions on raising kids, I have a feeling some of us will never agree on this.

This statement is the only thing in your post worth reading. The rest of it is nonsense. I have stated on more than one occasion that the large majority of DI coaches would have figured out a way to keep one of their best receivers on the team. Killed failed miserably at it. He knows it, and most thinking people know it. What happened here is 100% on Kill. Anyone who deals with young adults on a regular basis knows they are all different and it is up to them to find away to relate to them. I can't tell you how many times I have read or heard coaches at every level say that players are different and you can't deal with them all in the same way. Bud Grant, of all people, said that in his autobiography. He was a disciplinarian if there ever was one. I am guessing that not one of his players ever heard Grant raise his voice to them or any other player. He didn't have to. When he walked into the room his mere presence commanded their respect and attention. For all his efforts to learn how to be a better football coach Kill never learned that lesson before coming to Minnesota. We can only hope that he has learned it now. I think he has.
 

Apparently, some of us believe the line is very wide and a great deal of latitude should be given coaches even when apparent mental illness stares them in the face. I don't think we can just give the staff a free pass on Barker because it is a "game" and the coaches "are not parents".

Apparently the other 140+ people involved with the program, teammates, training staff, the faculty members he interacted with, his friends and family, his faculty advisor, etc ALL missed it even though it was "staring them in the face"?

It sounds like there were literally hundreds of people who either knew him better and/or were more qualified to make an assessment of his mental well-being than the head coach that completely dropped the ball on this.

It a damn good thing we aren't even thinking of holding the parents accountable.
 

Kill has always said that he does not treat everybody the same because everyone is different. He also has stated when he tried very hard to reach A.J. when he found out he was having problems but he was not able to do so. There are so many examples about Jerry and Rebecca being there for his players I find it a shame that some of you believe that Jerry was the problem. Many of his players have had very difficult lives and Kill has been there for them. He has often said sometimes he loses a player because he was too late. Barker made it impossible for Kill to save him. That wasn't Kills fault.

By all accounts Kill's issue with AJ was primarily about how to treat his injury. We are not talking about AJ committing a felony, missing practices, or not going to class. Coaches, trainers, and team doctors don't have a corner on the knowledge and wisdom necessary for treating injuries. Every player should have the right to seek a second opinion if they want because they have to live with the results for the rest of their life. That is what AJ did, and Kill couldn't handle it.

There is far too much medical information available to everyone now for coaches to be able to take a dictatorial approach with their players. The days are over when coaches can verbally abuse and threaten their players into submission about their injuries. We see evidence of it all the time. Players and their families are starting to rebel against it everywhere in America. Unfortunately, AJ had an old school coach who wasn't open to players challenging their decisions about medical matters. Bases on everything he has gone through during the last couple of years, my guess it that Kill will be much more flexible in dealing with player injuries in the future.
 

The rest of it is nonsense. I have stated on more than one occasion that the large majority of DI coaches would have figured out a way to keep one of their best receivers on the team. Killed failed miserably at it. He knows it, and most thinking people know it.

What's nonsense is this BS statement. You haven't named one D1 coach despite your assertion a large majority of them would have figured it out. You're either blowing that entirely out of your a*s or you're being disingenuous because you know any name you come up with will quickly be followed up with an example that will shred your statement.

100% on Kill? AJ had nothing to do with this? Someone who doesn't agree with you isn't a thinking person? You bring up Bud Grant and how he was the ideal coach. You want to go back and review how Grant dealt with Alan Page? I seem to remember Page wanted to play at a lower weight not only to maintain his quickness but because, as an extremely intelligent man, he had health concerns about carrying all that weight. Arguably the best Viking player of all time and somehow Saint Bud didn't find a way to keep him on the team. Care to still get Page's real opinion on Grant?

By all definitions I'm pretty much a bleeding heart liberal but this crap from you is unreal. You simply ignore all contest and put this in an ideal alternate universe that doesn't exist and then go after Kill.
 

Apparently the other 140+ people involved with the program, teammates, training staff, the faculty members he interacted with, his friends and family, his faculty advisor, etc ALL missed it even though it was "staring them in the face"?

It sounds like there were literally hundreds of people who either knew him better and/or were more qualified to make an assessment of his mental well-being than the head coach that completely dropped the ball on this.

It a damn good thing we aren't even thinking of holding the parents accountable.

I would agree that people miss it all the time. If you knew that one in seven people suffer some form of mental illness, could you tell be seeing them as they walked by you?

The thing to do is to go beyond how someone reacts and find out what really is behind their actions. It is called investigation. Try it sometime. It can change lives. But what most people fall back on is fight or flight.
 

By all accounts Kill's issue with AJ was primarily about how to treat his injury. We are not talking about AJ committing a felony, missing practices, or not going to class. Coaches, trainers, and team doctors don't have a corner on the knowledge and wisdom necessary for treating injuries. Every player should have the right to seek a second opinion if they want because they have to live with the results for the rest of their life. That is what AJ did, and Kill couldn't handle it.

There is far too much medical information available to everyone now for coaches to be able to take a dictatorial approach with their players. The days are over when coaches can verbally abuse and threaten their players into submission about their injuries. We see evidence of it all the time. Players and their families are starting to rebel against it everywhere in America. Unfortunately, AJ had an old school coach who wasn't open to players challenging their decisions about medical matters. Bases on everything he has gone through during the last couple of years, my guess it that Kill will be much more flexible in dealing with player injuries in the future.

This.
 

Why wouldn't the Barker incident set off soul searching. The guy wrote about suicide, didn't he?
 

What's nonsense is this BS statement. You haven't named one D1 coach despite your assertion a large majority of them would have figured it out. You're either blowing that entirely out of your a*s or you're being disingenuous because you know any name you come up with will quickly be followed up with an example that will shred your statement.

100% on Kill? AJ had nothing to do with this? Someone who doesn't agree with you isn't a thinking person? You bring up Bud Grant and how he was the ideal coach. You want to go back and review how Grant dealt with Alan Page? I seem to remember Page wanted to play at a lower weight not only to maintain his quickness but because, as an extremely intelligent man, he had health concerns about carrying all that weight. Arguably the best Viking player of all time and somehow Saint Bud didn't find a way to keep him on the team. Care to still get Page's real opinion on Grant?

By all definitions I'm pretty much a bleeding heart liberal but this crap from you is unreal. You simply ignore all contest and put this in an ideal alternate universe that doesn't exist and then go after Kill.

Have to agree. That post was the type of pompous windbag stuff that are typical of the "holier-than-thou" club.
 

AJ isn't the only source for what Kill did to him, and what goes on at Gopher football practices in general. Not by a long shot.

Please share your sources then. If not, then you don't have any more clue than anyone else. You're taking one side of the story as fact.
 

I can say with certainty that the teams issues with AJ went well beyond his handling of an injury. Again, you can believe ZERO of what AJ said. Z.E.R.O.
 




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