Absolutely best thing I've read about CFP evaluation of teams

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SelectionSunday said:
What was the SEC's record in BCS bowls last season, and why don't we hear it mentioned much?
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All 14 SEC teams played against each other in 7 bowl games, so they started with a 7-7 record. Then they decided that was unfair, because the 7 SEC teams who lost to 7 other SEC teams obviously would have beaten anyone else, so they awarded the losers wins as well and vacated the losses, so the SEC's record was at 14-0. After a dominating 14-0 performance in BCS games, they decided to award all 14 SEC members an assumed win in hypothetical BCS games against the conference champion for each of the other Big 5 conference champions, because as co-national champions, they obviously would have all won those games. With the additional 56 wins, this pushed the SEC's 2014 BCS record to 70-0. They then named Alabama the winner of yet another hypothetical BCS bowl, because Alabama is such a strong program having done so well in such a tough conference. Long story short, they finished 71-0 in BCS games last year, and that record is what justifies the hype this season (Missouri's loss to Indiana notwithstanding).
 

SelectionSunday said:
Decent chance we'll be at 8 teams two years from now. There's going to be major backlash unless we have 4 conferences represented, plus it makes no sense that each of the Power 5 isn't represented. 8 teams guarantees every major conference the opportunity to put up or shut up whether they have 1, 2, 3, or 4 representatives in an 8-team playoff.

Even moreso an 8-team CFP becomes reality sooner rather than later if 1 of 2 things happens this year:

(1) There are 3 conferences completely left out (multiple from 1 conference + Notre Dame); or

(2) The SEC indeed cannibalizes itself and gets completely left out.

I think (1) is much more likely than (2) but would get a hoot out of it if (2) occurred.
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I'm telling you, 2 just might happen. Think if Mizzou our even Georgia won the championship game now. If the SEC didn't send even one team, I'd be tickled enough to not even need to watch the playoff.
 

Sparlimb said:
I'm telling you, 2 just might happen. Think if Mizzou our even Georgia won the championship game now. If the SEC didn't send even one team, I'd be tickled enough to not even need to watch the playoff.
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I'd love to hear the argument for a multiple loss SEC champ in over a one-loss B1G champ if the SEC champ lost to a team that went 0-8 in the B1G.
 

Every non-SEC fan should be cheering for Mizzou to win out through the SEC Championship game. lol
 


Buck_Buchanan said:
It is a perpetual debate where the number of teams selected (whether it is 2, 4, 8, 16) doesn't matter. Only the team names change as the numbers go up. Have to have something to write, talk on radio, or discuss on TV.
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The numbers change as the numbers go up.
If it was a 16 team playoff there are about 30 teams that have a pretty good argument they should be top 16.
 


Some guy said:
The numbers change as the numbers go up.
If it was a 16 team playoff there are about 30 teams that have a pretty good argument they should be top 16.
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You're correct. I shouldn't have used the word Only. The numbers do change as well. Point being is it doesn't matter in terms of the number of teams selected. Pundits, fans, coaches, et al. will still be discussing why certain teams weren't selected.

Had 2 under BCS -- people complain for a +1 (now have)
Have 4 now -- people will then come up with a brilliant idea of having 6 (Top 2 getting BYES with 4 others playing in)
 

station19 said:
4 team playoff...........must win your conference to get in.

8 team playoff........Big 5 conference champions are auto qualifiers.


Both scenarios you qualify by wins on the field........as much as possible. I don't care to see 2 or more SEC teams in a four team playoff. Same for any conference. How does the strength of one conference compare to another conference?....simple, have the champions play each other in a playoff. Do we really need two SEC Championship games in one year?
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I don't think it should be an automatic though. What if two of the conference champs have three or more losses? Do either one of them deserve to get in over a one loss team who's only loss came in their conference championship to an undefeated team?

They should have some rules though. Something like the only way a non conference champion can get in over a conference champ is if the conference champ has more losses.

Hell, the way everyone loves the SEC, I wouldn't be shocked if a 2-loss SEC west team who doesn't even play in the conference championship gets in over a 1-loss conference champion from another conference. Ridiculous but totally possible.
 



MaxyJR1 said:
I agree with those what want to see 8 teams in the playoff. I think this will happen. The big 5 will get together on something that is fair and equitable. By not having each conference represented with automatic bid, it leads to imbalance. Imbalance leads to recruiting inequities, bias, etc.

Now would you seed the Big five 1-5 and then random draw the 6-8 or seed 1-8?

Seed 1-8 would be:

1Mississippi St vs 8Michigan St.
2Florida St. vs 7Kansas St.
4Oregon vs 5Alabama
3Auburn vs 6TCU
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My hope is when they do this, the first round games would be at the higher seed. Move the conference championships up a week and then play the first round game a week or two later in early December. Have one game on Friday night and the other three on Saturday.
 

SelectionSunday said:
Interesting to see it bracketed 1-8.

I have no problem with Mississippi State's #1 ranking, wins @ LSU and over Auburn are impressive, but on a neutral field I'd take Michigan State over Mississippi State in a heartbeat. The only differences between the two are (1) the other MSU has one more quality win than Sparty, (2) Sparty played at Oregon and the Bulldogs didn't, and thus (3) Sparty has no margin for error, while Mississippi State does.

All that said, if Michigan State loses Saturday night the Big Ten is pretty much toast. I just can't see Ohio State, even at 12-1, being able to overcome that ugly HOME LOSS to a poor Virginia Tech team. I actually think the Big Ten's 2nd best chance for a CFP spot would be for Nebraska to win out and then beat Sparty in a rematch in Indianapolis. ... the Huskers would have turned the tables on their only loss.

Of course, that's a moot point because the Gophers are going to win in Lincoln!
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IMNSHO Mississippi State is grossly overrated. What is more impressive, giving up 548 yards to a mediocre UAB team or squeaking out wins vs bad TAMU and Arkansas squads? Look at their schedule and find the impressive wins.

Miss State has been living dangerously all year. Their wins only look impressive if you buy the narrative that the SEC is strong this year. I would argue many of the teams are significantly down. I suspect this bowl season will be interesting.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
They don't look at last year. It's based on performance this year.
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The media has no problem looking at year's past to state how bad the Big Ten is.

And if this were totally true, Alabama wouldn't be ranked where they are right now. The name "Alabama" has gotten them a higher ranking than they deserve if you ask me.
 

GophersInIowa said:
The media has no problem looking at year's past to state how bad the Big Ten is.

And if this were totally true, Alabama wouldn't be ranked where they are right now. The name "Alabama" has gotten them a higher ranking than they deserve if you ask me.
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The B1G is bad. How'd we do against TCU, Va Tech, LSU, Oregon or Notre Dame? Why is the media wrong when they speak the truth?
 



maroonedinCA said:
The B1G is bad. How'd we do against TCU, Va Tech, LSU, Oregon or Notre Dame? Why is the media wrong when they speak the truth?
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That's not what I was arguing. Of course the Big Ten isn't very good.

SS said:
What was the SEC's record in BCS bowls last season, and why don't we hear it mentioned much?
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Then MaxyJR1 said:
They don't look at last year. It's based on performance this year.
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My point was that this statement isn't true, at least when it comes to the media/ESPN and the Big Ten. They'll use something against the BT but then not use the same thing to downplay the SEC.
 

GophersInIowa said:
That's not what I was arguing. Of course the Big Ten isn't very good.

SS said:


Then MaxyJR1 said:


My point was that this statement isn't true, at least when it comes to the media/ESPN and the Big Ten. They'll use something against the BT but then not use the same thing to downplay the SEC.
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Maybe the one year of poor BCS showings for the sec doesn't equal the decade of bad showings for the B1G? Maybe that's why we aren't treated the same?
 


maroonedinCA said:
The B1G is bad. How'd we do against TCU, Va Tech, LSU, Oregon or Notre Dame? Why is the media wrong when they speak the truth?
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At the same time, a B1G team that so far hasn't even managed one win in conference play defeated a current SEC division leader.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I don't think it should be an automatic though. What if two of the conference champs have three or more losses? Do either one of them deserve to get in over a one loss team who's only loss came in their conference championship to an undefeated team?

They should have some rules though. Something like the only way a non conference champion can get in over a conference champ is if the conference champ has more losses.

Hell, the way everyone loves the SEC, I wouldn't be shocked if a 2-loss SEC west team who doesn't even play in the conference championship gets in over a 1-loss conference champion from another conference. Ridiculous but totally possible.
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There will always be what ifs, but that's the same type of thinking that got us the Legends and Leaders fiasco.

The more you can do to having it 'win it one the field', as opposed to the 'eye test', the better.

Their supposed mission is the select the best four teams. It should be to determine the champion. Make the season count - win your conference.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
At the same time, a B1G team that so far hasn't even managed one win in conference play defeated a current SEC division leader.
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I'll take the side of recent history and the multitude of examples of big ten suckitude (both this year and years past) over your lone example that you would likely admit was an upset and that Mizzou is actually the better team.
 

The Big Ten and some other conferences were created over 100 years ago. They weren't created just yesterday for the purpose of the CFB playoff. I really don't know why it should matter if you win you're conference or not. Imagine if we did that in the MSHL where the Lake conference could only get one team into the state football tourney every year. Sorry Tonka and Wayzeta or in some cases even EP, you didn't win you're conference so you automatically don't qualify for the state tourney. That is why we have sections and cross sections which create a little bit more parity and a fair opportunity and were actually designed for the playoffs. Conferences aren't.
 

die hard gopher said:
The Big Ten and some other conferences were created over 100 years ago. They weren't created just yesterday for the purpose of the CFB playoff. I really don't know why it should matter if you win you're conference or not. Imagine if we did that in the MSHL where the Lake conference could only get one team into the state football tourney every year. Sorry Tonka and Wayzeta or in some cases even EP, you didn't win you're conference so you automatically don't qualify for the state tourney. That is why we have sections and cross sections which create a little bit more parity and a fair opportunity and were actually designed for the playoffs. Conferences aren't.
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They should ignore division results in the NFL too and just have a group of experts pick the top 12 teams.
 

die hard gopher said:
The Big Ten and some other conferences were created over 100 years ago. They weren't created just yesterday for the purpose of the CFB playoff. I really don't know why it should matter if you win you're conference or not. Imagine if we did that in the MSHL where the Lake conference could only get one team into the state football tourney every year. Sorry Tonka and Wayzeta or in some cases even EP, you didn't win you're conference so you automatically don't qualify for the state tourney. That is why we have sections and cross sections which create a little bit more parity and a fair opportunity and were actually designed for the playoffs. Conferences aren't.
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Other than Eden prairie the lake conference was absolute trash this year.
 

Some guy said:
Other than Eden prairie the lake conference was absolute trash this year.
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Yes, they also had 4 teams make the tourney in 2012 but you know, they were "absolute trash" this year so the point is invalid.
 


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