AAU Battle of the Lakes

[Bayfieldgopher]

Was it this weekend? Does anyone have a report about how Asuma and Grove looked? I think they are on the same tea.

 

[60's Guy]

It was this weekend. Found this story on Asuma Story

 

[Drake University Gopher]

“He shot 65-percent from the charity stripe this season.” He’ll fit right in! All kidding aside he sounds like a great young man and a future facilitator at the next level. High basketball IQ and that level of talent can mean the sky is the limit.

 

[Bayfieldgopher]

Read a post on 247 who was impressed with both Asuma and Grove's skills and over all play, especially Asuma. Asuma functioned very well both ways at PG, involved his team mates thus did not score a lot. Grove may still be hampered by the ankle injury but showed skills and talent to play in the BIG. The poster felt he is best suited at 4 spot. Additional strength and weight is needed thus a RS could be possible. Both have over a year yet to hone their skills and get stronger. I assume that Ryan James will do a report sometime this week as he stays on top of things.

 

[Big Dawg]

Read a post on 247 who was impressed with both Asuma and Grove's skills and over all play, especially Asuma. Asuma functioned very well both ways at PG, involved his team mates thus did not score a lot. Grove may still be hampered by the ankle injury but showed skills and talent to play in the BIG. The poster felt he is best suited at 4 spot. Additional strength and weight is needed thus a RS could be possible. Both have over a year yet to hone their skills and get stronger. I assume that Ryan James will do a report sometime this week as he stays on top of things.

Many posters keep mentioning RS. I could not find exact #'s but the vast majority of RS are #1-injury and #2-because of transfer. Very few true freshmen RS just to get bigger/stronger. Betts this past season for the Gophers was a rare exception. I highly doubt Grove will RS just to get bigger/stonger. We'll see. Lot's can/will happen in the next 16 months. Hope that Asuma and Grove both have awesome senior years. It woud seem to me that there are many variables that would go into a RS freshman year. What does the player want? How deep on the bench is the player? At their current weight, how ineffective would they be in a game? Hope both stay with their commitments and develop into effective Gophers players/starters/high impact players.

 

[Holy Man]

Many posters keep mentioning RS. I could not find exact #'s but the vast majority of RS are #1-injury and #2-because of transfer. Very few true freshmen RS just to get bigger/stronger. Betts this past season for the Gophers was a rare exception. I highly doubt Grove will RS just to get bigger/stonger. We'll see. Lot's can/will happen in the next 16 months. Hope that Asuma and Grove both have awesome senior years. It woud seem to me that there are many variables that would go into a RS freshman year. What does the player want? How deep on the bench is the player? At their current weight, how ineffective would they be in a game? Hope both stay with their commitments and develop into effective Gophers players/starters/high impact players.

In the no risk tramsfer portal era, it makes almost no sense to red shirt for anything but transfer or injury. It's like practically giving a scholarship to another team by preserving eligibility that another program will use down the line.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

In the no risk tramsfer portal era, it makes almost no sense to red shirt for anything but transfer or injury. It's like practically giving a scholarship to another team by preserving eligibility that another program will use down the line.

To be fair, there were almost no redshirts prior to the portal era.

It just doesn't make that much sense in basketball.

 

[Gophers_4life]

To be fair, there were almost no redshirts prior to the portal era.

It just doesn't make that much sense in basketball.

Right, it's a football thing. It's named after a Nebraska football player from the late 30's, apparently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_(college_sports)

And football, I believe, is the only sport that has a special exemption now that allows a student to still play in a limited number of games and yet count that season as a redshirt season.


Maybe basketball should allow a player to play any number of games through the end of the calendar year, but still allow redshirt if they don't play any games in the next calendar year? But again not sure how helpful that is and how often would be used.

 

[Holy Man]

To be fair, there were almost no redshirts prior to the portal era.

It just doesn't make that much sense in basketball.

Some smaller programs used redshirt effectively to develop players. Maybe not frequent but certainly a strategy. One that helped Gonzaga build into Gonzaga.

Would not surprise me if Wisconsin might still use it although the likelihood of any positive payback is low.

 

[Bayfieldgopher]

To be fair, there were almost no redshirts prior to the portal era.

It just doesn't make that much sense in basketball.

My take is that Ben expects Grove to compete for PT and not RS. Betts was an exception primarily due to his age. Not sure why so many are thinking RS for Grove. Kinda like someone mentioned it and then it gained traction. Very common on message boards as most don’t take time to do their homework.

 

[Holy Man]

My take is that Ben expects Grove to compete for PT and not RS. Betts was an exception primarily due to his age. Not sure why so many are thinking RS for Grove. Kinda like someone mentioned it and then it gained traction. Very common on message boards as most don’t take time to do their homework.

It doesn’t take much homework to know red shirts are rare now.

 

[Bayfieldgopher]

It doesn’t take much homework to know red shirts are rare now.

Apparently a lot of posters think differently

 

[Holy Man]

Apparently a lot of posters think differently

My gut is that there are posters who divide recruits into two pots. One is the “one and done” type star and the other is “project” that may or may not work out. Very little in between, which breeds red shirts for anyone that isn’t an immediate star. In fact, almost all recruits are in between that, but it’s easier to opine on the edges.

 

[60's Guy]

My take is that Ben expects Grove to compete for PT and not RS. Betts was an exception primarily due to his age. Not sure why so many are thinking RS for Grove. Kinda like someone mentioned it and then it gained traction. Very common on message boards as most don’t take time to do their homework.

Redshirts in college basketball do not happen often. But, when you are a 6'8 190 pound power forward hoping to play in the Big Ten vs men 5 years older than you are...the possibility shouldn't seem out of the question you might decide to get stronger? When your best scholarship offers were from Colorado St and Indiana St and you are an unranked prospect on Rivals and 247 is it silly to think he might not be ready as a freshman? When you play your high school games versus northern MN competition it is also not a development accelerator. So the thought he might redshirt isn't an unfounded possibility by any means.
Add in: Who will his coach be? How many experienced bigs come into the Gopher program from the portal after the 23-24 season? How many transfer out? And, his future as a Gopher is not crystal clear at all as I see it?
Nice prospect, happy he wants to be a Gopher. Everybody has time to decide if he will redshirt or he won't but certainly seems like an option to still consider.

 

[60's Guy]

Some smaller programs used redshirt effectively to develop players. Maybe not frequent but certainly a strategy. One that helped Gonzaga build into Gonzaga.

Would not surprise me if Wisconsin might still use it although the likelihood of any positive payback is low.

And Virginia and Villanova had one or two with Jay Wright most years
Virginia writeup.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

Redshirts in college basketball do not happen often. But, when you are a 6'8 190 pound power forward hoping to play in the Big Ten vs men 5 years older than you are...the possibility shouldn't seem out of the question you might decide to get stronger? When your best scholarship offers were from Colorado St and Indiana St and you are an unranked prospect on Rivals and 247 is it silly to think he might not be ready as a freshman? When you play your high school games versus northern MN competition it is also not a development accelerator. So the thought he might redshirt isn't an unfounded possibility by any means.
Add in: Who will his coach be? How many experienced bigs come into the Gopher program from the portal after the 23-24 season? How many transfer out? And, his future as a Gopher is not crystal clear at all as I see it?
Nice prospect, happy he wants to be a Gopher. Everybody has time to decide if he will redshirt or he won't but certainly seems like an option to still consider.

He is a 6'8" 190 lbs 16 year old that won't be playing basketball at the U for a year and a half. If he's 200 lbs by next year at this time, he will have more than enough size to play down low in the Big 10. From his pictures, he doesn't even look at that thin. He's about the same size as most of the top rated recruits every single season who are 6'8" and up.

If your question is, will he be more ready to play in Year 2 than Year 1, well yeah. Most FR don't contribute very much and most of them still don't RS.

I'd be shocked if he is a RS. You just rarely see it anymore in college basketball.

 

[Big Dawg]

Some smaller programs used redshirt effectively to develop players. Maybe not frequent but certainly a strategy. One that helped Gonzaga build into Gonzaga.

Would not surprise me if Wisconsin might still use it although the likelihood of any positive payback is low.

I only looked at about half of Gonzaga's redshirts. Of those, all but one was a transfer or an injury. The redshirt (I believe) you were recommending for Grove was to get stronger. Not an injury or a transfer. Big difference.

 

[Lion King]

Apparently a lot of posters think differently

If they need to Red Shirt
We shouldn't be recruiting them
Tell them to go to St Thomas for a year & then transfer to us.

 

[60's Guy]

He is a 6'8" 190 lbs 16 year old that won't be playing basketball at the U for a year and a half. If he's 200 lbs by next year at this time, he will have more than enough size to play down low in the Big 10. From his pictures, he doesn't even look at that thin. He's about the same size as most of the top rated recruits every single season who are 6'8" and up.

If your question is, will he be more ready to play in Year 2 than Year 1, well yeah. Most FR don't contribute very much and most of them still don't RS.

I'd be shocked if he is a RS. You just rarely see it anymore in college basketball.

I agree you rarely see redshirts in basketball. But, for the reasons I mentioned in post #14 ... all I'm saying is that it is not out of the question.
The biggest reason for me it isn't out of the question: Ben has said he wants to play 7 guys. He has said it is hard to keep more than 7 or 8 happy. I believe he liked the idea of Betts using a roster spot but not being able to play. Virginia uses redshirts, Jay Wright used redshirts. I don't think we know Ben's redshirt philosophy going forward. And, Ben has no idea what his roster will be or if he'll be the coach next year. So, all I was saying is there are too many variables in play to conclude it is totally out of the question.