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But, do you really consider this to be a turnaround? It seemed like Claeys had them moving in a fairly-decent direction.I’m not sure either the situations or coaches are similar but it is always interesting to see how turnarounds are achieved.
But, do you really consider this to be a turnaround? It seemed like Claeys had them moving in a fairly-decent direction.
Agreed PJ decided to tear down a creaky, boring, solidly built middle of the century house and had plans to rebuild a flashy, modernistic showpiece but hired a mail order diploma architectural team. We have discovered the forward pass, constraint plays, the middle of the field but have forgotten about utilization of tight ends. We run a wierd version of the wild cat. On defense we cannot figure out where the play is going, can’t stay in gaps, can’t tackle; went from respectable to a laughing stock in less than 2 years.
So the real question is how long would fans have been ok with the creaky, boring, middle of the road home. One that wasn't the ugliest house on the block but also one that would never be confused with the nicer places in the cul-de-sac down the road that always host the big parties and get all the attention?
Right now there is a lot of pining for the safety of a few years ago when the team wasn't a contender but was decent enough that we didn't feel bad about ourselves as a fanbase.
Fleck is trying to build the team into something different then it has been in 50 plus years. The early returns aren't great but he is also still under 2 years into things and it is way to early to throw in the towel and start over yet again.
It takes time, we were respectable under Kill/Claeys similar to the way we were respectable under Mason but those teams had a ceiling and it wasn't a championship level ceiling it was a middle of the pack not terrible but not great either ceiling. Too early to say if Fleck will succeed but just because the immediate results aren't visible doesn't mean things are not happening behind the scenes to get the team where it needs to be in the future. I have lived in this world, the fanbase just sees the smallest fraction of what is truly going on in the program but makes massive assumptions based on the little they can see.
Good read.
So the real question is how long would fans have been ok with the creaky, boring, middle of the road home. One that wasn't the ugliest house on the block but also one that would never be confused with the nicer places in the cul-de-sac down the road that always host the big parties and get all the attention?
Right now there is a lot of pining for the safety of a few years ago when the team wasn't a contender but was decent enough that we didn't feel bad about ourselves as a fanbase.
Fleck is trying to build the team into something different then it has been in 50 plus years. The early returns aren't great but he is also still under 2 years into things and it is way to early to throw in the towel and start over yet again.
It takes time, we were respectable under Kill/Claeys similar to the way we were respectable under Mason but those teams had a ceiling and it wasn't a championship level ceiling it was a middle of the pack not terrible but not great either ceiling. Too early to say if Fleck will succeed but just because the immediate results aren't visible doesn't mean things are not happening behind the scenes to get the team where it needs to be in the future. I have lived in this world, the fanbase just sees the smallest fraction of what is truly going on in the program but makes massive assumptions based on the little they can see.
So the real question is how long would fans have been ok with the creaky, boring, middle of the road home. One that wasn't the ugliest house on the block but also one that would never be confused with the nicer places in the cul-de-sac down the road that always host the big parties and get all the attention?
Right now there is a lot of pining for the safety of a few years ago when the team wasn't a contender but was decent enough that we didn't feel bad about ourselves as a fanbase.
Fleck is trying to build the team into something different then it has been in 50 plus years. The early returns aren't great but he is also still under 2 years into things and it is way to early to throw in the towel and start over yet again.
It takes time, we were respectable under Kill/Claeys similar to the way we were respectable under Mason but those teams had a ceiling and it wasn't a championship level ceiling it was a middle of the pack not terrible but not great either ceiling. Too early to say if Fleck will succeed but just because the immediate results aren't visible doesn't mean things are not happening behind the scenes to get the team where it needs to be in the future. I have lived in this world, the fanbase just sees the smallest fraction of what is truly going on in the program but makes massive assumptions based on the little they can see.
I'll buy the bold with Mason, he had clearly plateaued and the best seasons were behind him. If you are going to group Kill/Claeys together, it seems odd to conclude they had reached a ceiling when the best season was also the most recent one.