25 LGBT groups ask Big 12 to not take BYU in expansion

[alchemy2u]

And herein lies the problem that we run into with such a broad definition of "Religious Freedom". If a religion discriminates against a group, who do we protect? The discriminated group, or the religion? And also, teachings of a religion can be interpreted many ways, what if certain people interpret a part of a religion as meaning they must discriminate against a group, but others interpret it differently. Who's right?

That being said, as mentioned, both the Big 12 and BYU are private entities. BYU can do what they want in terms of barring certain groups of people from enrollment, and the Big 12 is perfectly allowed to say "Nah, you can't do that anymore if you want to join us"

So true. With freedoms also come responsibilities for your actions.


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[Golden Goldy]

There has to be a distinction made here between identity and conduct. BYU doesn't ban people with same-sex attractions. They only insist that the urge be resisted, in accordance with the religious teachings that are the reason for the very existence of the school.

While I think BYU should be allowed in whatever conference they play, you're joking with the urges vs. acting, right?

 

[Jack jones]

Why does the LBGT group have any say concerning football? Dumbest thing printed today.

 

[GophersInIowa]

Problem is you cannot come out at BYU as a gay person who does not have sex.

I know you know this and I don't mean to be harsh, but there is more to being gay than sex. There are some fairly terrible stories/ memoirs about Mormon teens who have come as gay and been forcibly confined for treatment.*

*Sorry, no link. I just googled gay Mormon teen and need to shower. Apparently porn knows no bounds.

I get that and I apologize if my post implied that it is all about sex. I was just stating that there are other things in their honor code that many may disagree with.

 

[wait!what?]

I spoke with an LDS dude and he said BYU is the toughest school in the country to be admitted. he said the brightest mormon kids get in.

 

[alchemy2u]

I spoke with an LDS dude and he said BYU is the toughest school in the country to be admitted. he said the brightest mormon kids get in.

Huh, funny, I don't see them on the list of the top 100 most difficult schools to get into?

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/lowest-acceptance-rate



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[Ski U Mah Gopher]

My wife used to teach at St. Kate's, and while it is predominately female, she had one or two guys in her classes...maybe it is a 'sister school' with a different one - I don't know. I'm sure if a male wanted to challenge the status quo at St. Kate's, he could do so with a lot more ease than an open homosexual at BYU. You have to consider power dynamics when confronting discrimination...straight white males have no legit basis for victimhood (not saying we don't face discrimination, but when the world is your oyster, you don't get much sympathy - not saying it is right or wrong).

If you are enrolled at any of the 5 associated colleges (St. Thomas, St. Kate's, Mac, Hamline, Augsburg) you can take classes at any of the schools. I think it is a limit of one outside class per semester.


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[scher215]

Why does the LBGT group have any say concerning football? Dumbest thing printed today.

LBGT people don't play football?

 

[saintpaulguy]

Problem is you cannot come out at BYU as a gay person who does not have sex.

I know you know this and I don't mean to be harsh, but there is more to being gay than sex. There are some fairly terrible stories/ memoirs about Mormon teens who have come as gay and been forcibly confined for treatment.*

*Sorry, no link. I just googled gay Mormon teen and need to shower. Apparently porn knows no bounds.

If a thing exists, there is porn of it.