2025 Minnesota High School Football Thread

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Yeah it’s different when a non teacher gets a non teaching role created for them.

since he is not a teacher he have no idea how much he made at osseo in his non coaching job and we have no idea how much Wayzata is paying him for his non coaching job
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According to one article I saw he is currently teaching at Osseo Middle School. He holds a k-12 physical education teaching license.
 

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According to one article I saw he is currently teaching at Osseo Middle School. He holds a k-12 physical education teaching license.
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Oh. Well then we can look at their teaching grid and assume he is somewhere on this grid (page 57) https://resources.finalsite.net/ima...9vrocs8bumqma60vi/2023-2025TeachersFINAL1.pdf


It didn’t sound like he got a teaching job at Wayzata but if he did he would be on their contract.

Bottom right vs bottom right Wayzata beats osseo by about 14k
But I don’t know if he is bottom right or if his contract at Wayzata is a teacher contract.
 

Some guy said:
It’s likely within a couple hundred for the football job.

But Wayzata also gave him a job. Which if it’s near a paraprofessional salary is not very much, if it’s near an assistant admin salary it’s a lot more.
It’s probably its own thing and will be hard to find.
I have no idea what he did for osseo schools but I’m guessing he isn’t taking a pay cut to leave
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He is a licensed teacher. I have been friends with him since we were 10 years old. He'll be a teacher in the Wayzata school district too.
 

gopherbadgerman said:
He is a licensed teacher. I have been friends with him since we were 10 years old. He'll be a teacher in the Wayzata school district too.
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and in that case the difference between bottom right in osseo and bottom right in wayzata is about 14k per year (he may not be bottom right in either place)
 

Sleepy eye and New Richland-Hartland-Ellendale-Geneva are now both posted
 


Some guy said:
and in that case the difference between bottom right in osseo and bottom right in wayzata is about 14k per year (he may not be bottom right in either place)
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He’s got a masters and about 25 years experience in districts so I’m guessing he’s close
 

Sounds like centennial named the retiring coaches son / current assistant coach the new HC
 

Apple Valley
Burnsville
Centennial - filled Diggins - internal hire
De La Salle - filled currier - Concordia St Paul head coach
International Falls
Irondale
New Richland-Hartland-Ellendale-Geneva
Osseo
Rocori
Sleepy Eye
St Anthony Village
Wayzata - filled Lamker



Rocori really surprised me but in don’t know anything about the situation. Maybe just a retirement. That’s a top 10 non metro job IMO
 
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Apple Valley - filled Hentges - internal hire
Burnsville
Centennial - filled Diggins - internal hire
De La Salle - filled currier - Concordia St Paul head coach
International Falls
Irondale - filled Van Voorhis -
New Richland-Hartland-Ellendale-Geneva
Osseo
Rocori
Sleepy Eye
St Anthony Village
Wayzata - filled Lamker - Osseo
 
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Some guy said:
Apple Valley - filled Hentges - internal hire
Burnsville
Centennial - filled Diggins - internal hire
De La Salle - filled currier - Concordia St Paul head coach
International Falls
Irondale
New Richland-Hartland-Ellendale-Geneva
Osseo
Rocori
Sleepy Eye
St Anthony Village
Wayzata - filled Lamker - Osseo
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AJ Van Voorhis (former Champlin Park/NDSU player) hired at Irondale.
 








When's the last time Burnsville was competitive in football?
 


I know it used to be one of the largest schools in the state.

Guessing these days upper-middle class Savage kids now open enroll to Prior Lake.


Remaining kids are bad demographics for football?
 

GopherGrit said:
I know it used to be one of the largest schools in the state.

Guessing these days upper-middle class Savage kids now open enroll to Prior Lake.


Remaining kids are bad demographics for football?
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I would suspect that to be the case. Just like wealthier kids in the Hopkins district generally OE into Minnetonka.
 


Coon Rapids with a coaching change and hiring Cleveland McCoy.

 
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LeftofThaDial said:
I believe they last made state in 2015 with Kamal Martin at QB. What’s crazier to me is they made state for hockey that year also, and couldn’t field a team 7 years later.
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How can schools with 1,500 kids not find 25 kids that want to play hockey regardless of demographics? That in itself seems crazy but it is happening at multiple schools with the co-op teams, etc.
 

GopherGuy82 said:
How can schools with 1,500 kids not find 25 kids that want to play hockey regardless of demographics? That in itself seems crazy but it is happening at multiple schools with the co-op teams, etc.
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Many factors
  • Kids quit
  • Kids leave/move
  • Demographics play a huge role
  • Society belittles participation that isn't at top level.
  • Shift in money location

Boys
Minneapolis has one hockey team and plays A
St. Paul one team and plays A
Osseo Co-Ops with Park Center and plays A
Irondale, St. Anthony, Fridley and Columbia Heights Co-op at A
Tartan and North at A

AA
Bloomington and Kennedy Co-op
Coon Rapids and Spring Lake Park Co-op
Apple Valley and Burnsville Co-op
Armstong Cooper Co-Op
Rochester Century and JM Co-op
Buffalo and Annandale Co-op
St. Francis and North Branch Co-op
St. Cloud schools Co-op

Look at the rosters for varsity sports. The system has been changed to attract and favor the 1%. Schools cut or rarely get kids to keep playing if they aren't going to start or play a lot. Basketball has kids playing up at the largest schools in the state and it takes spots. Gone are the days of seniority. It's about the most $$, dedication, and possibly the best players. It's become about program and roster building these days.
 

GopherGuy82 said:
How can schools with 1,500 kids not find 25 kids that want to play hockey regardless of demographics? That in itself seems crazy but it is happening at multiple schools with the co-op teams, etc.
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All the kids who play hockey open enroll to a school nearby or go to private
 

The amount of people playing hockey has to have dropped drastically then. Not saying it hasn't but that statement implies that either people transferring in are taking the roster spots or they aren't good enough to take them. There have to be a bunch of kids that used to play hockey and no longer do if all the players are flooding the same schools.

I find it interesting how the suburbs and schools have transformed over the years. Part of it is being further out of the city in new homes. Other districts and cities in the inner ring have thrived. I guess it is all about where the younger money is.
 

GopherGuy82 said:
How can schools with 1,500 kids not find 25 kids that want to play hockey regardless of demographics? That in itself seems crazy but it is happening at multiple schools with the co-op teams, etc.
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I think it’s pretty easy for the HS programs to look down at the youth association numbers and see when the cliff is coming. Unfortunately it’s not a sport you can just pick up in 7th or 8th grade.
 

GopherGuy82 said:
How can schools with 1,500 kids not find 25 kids that want to play hockey regardless of demographics? That in itself seems crazy but it is happening at multiple schools with the co-op teams, etc.
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Hockey is a rich family sport at this point. Especially if you want to play at the high school level. Are there families with money in districts/attendance areas like Burnsville or Richfield or Kennedy? Yes. But those kids aren't going to Burnsville anymore. They're open enrolling into wealthier schools like Prior Lake. Or going to private schools like SW Christian or Holy Angels.

I regularly use the Hopkins - Minnetonka example in these discussions. There are neighborhoods with money in the Hopkins district. But a lot of those wealthy kids are open enrolling into Minnetonka, which is 40% open enrollment.

I'm surprised they allow Minneapolis to play down at A. I have friends with a son in the association, and they say there are actually a lot of boys playing in the city now.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
Look at the rosters for varsity sports. The system has been changed to attract and favor the 1%. Schools cut or rarely get kids to keep playing if they aren't going to start or play a lot. Basketball has kids playing up at the largest schools in the state and it takes spots. Gone are the days of seniority. It's about the most $$, dedication, and possibly the best players. It's become about program and roster building these days.
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Talking to a friend who coaches youth hoops for Minnetonka. He said there are three 7th graders playing up on the the 9th grade basketball team at the high school. And Tonka is the second largest school in the state.
 

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