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Last I checked I did not get a refund on the 3 seasons tickets I purchased for that season.
The OP wasn't forced to start the thread either. Do I have to run something by you before I post it?
Always the fine example of a flexible, open mind. Very impressive.
I've made my position very clear, multiple times. If a thread is started on it, I'm going to comment on it. I'm not going to stop because of your feeble made-up personal attacks. Deal with it.
Think whatever you want. I'm going to point out what the facts are. You get to think whatever you want, but I don't get to do the same without being called names, right? Look throughout this thread at who's discussing the situation and who's attacking people.
When the facts change, my mind will change. Do you have evidence of any new facts? Biased posters whining about it and wistfully longing for the days of ill-gotten "achievements" certainly isn't going to change my mind. I can tell that someone having a consistent ethical standard really bothers you.
When the facts change, my mind will change. Do you have evidence of any new facts? Biased posters whining about it and wistfully longing for the days of ill-gotten "achievements" certainly isn't going to change my mind. I can tell that someone having a consistent ethical standard really bothers you.
It's not ongoing. The NCAA is just dragging it out until no one remembers and they can quietly close the book. The NCAA knows exactly what happened, but UNC has an economic status for basketball that the NCAA refuses to touch because the NCAA is about revenue, not moral and ethical justice.The UNC investigation is ongoing. Whine when the NCAA actually makes a decision.
What does this even mean?
What does this even mean?
Yeah, no it's not. Nice overstatement.
Last I checked I did not get a refund on the 3 seasons tickets I purchased for that season.
Think whatever you want. I'm going to point out what the facts are. You get to think whatever you want, but I don't get to do the same without being called names, right? Look throughout this thread at who's discussing the situation and who's attacking people.
I know you said that tongue in cheek, but I wish there was a rule if they were going to take awards, etc away from the players, why should the fans have paid to watch a game that truly didn't matter?
I bet that would give universities a second thought when allowing schools to cheat.
People having and wanting to continue to have fond memories of a great team to watch, is not a sin. No one in here is condoning cheating, and no one is whining or complaining or saying that it was unfair that the NCAA came down on the program.
And the U went farther than EVERYONE else. Do a search online and you will that almost every site still lists Minnesota as a Final Four participant in 1997, they just put an asterisk by it, so people can read the disclaimer if they so choose.
Go to Gophersports dot com and all you see are blank spaces, as if the team literally didn't exist during those seasons.
Go to an NBA site and I'm pretty sure they list all of the college stats of the players on those teams that went on to the NBA.
And you are being an a-hole by bringing it up ALL OF THE TIME. Give it a rest dude. I tell you, you better hope I never meet you in real life and figure out that you are who you are in here, because I have an education in religion and I'll point out constantly and without ever stopping, how you are a sinner and your religious beliefs or non-beliefs are wrong. Because THOSE ARE THE FACTS. lol
Wouldn't you be appreciative of my trying to enlighten you to the facts, to the truth? How could you not want that, how could you not want me following you around everywhere you went being the wet blanket not allowing you any freedom to do anything outside of the most strictest sense of the law? Rules are rules, and I GAURANTEE THAT YOU ARE BREAKING THEM!!!!!!!
I am 100% sure that you are sinning. And that you don't want someone like me constantly badgering you about it, and nitpicking and taking away your freedom to live your life however you want and choose to live it. Do you want a co-worker constantly preaching to you and judging you? Do you want your wife or one of your kids constantly preaching to you and judging you? Do you want your best friend to start constantly preaching to you and judging you? If any of those people starting doing that, you would RUN FOR THE HILLS, to escape their constant preaching and judgment of you.
Yet that is what you do in here. So that makes you a hypocrite.
And that is akin to what you are doing in here. You are like the guy who used to drink all the time, that went sober and now goes to parties and tries to moralize and judge everyone and ruin their fun. They know that drinking is not healthy, but they enjoy it, and its their legal right to do it. You are like the ashhole that tries to ruin every party.
Dude, you are free to go to the party, but let other people drink if they want to drink, let them do whatever is legally their right to do, and stop being the ashhole that feels compelled to shove his views or beliefs down other people's throats.
NOTHING any Gopher fan says about those years can change the fact that they are vacated and never ever will count ever again.
Gopher fans who were not the ones responsible for the program cheating, were made to suffer. Gopher fans were innocent victims of someone else's cheating, and were made to suffer by having their favorite team punished and the records of their favorite team stripped from the record books, isn't that enough punishment for a crime they did not commit?
Apparently not, apparently YOU feel that Gopher fans have not suffered enough and that it is upon you to be the one to make them suffer more and more and more.
Shame on you.
You are like the guy who reminds the parents that their son killed someone, everyday for the rest of their lives, so as to make sure they never forget what their son did. And if they try to remember the past, when their son was a young boy and hadn't yet done anything wrong, you jump in and try to make them feel guilty for wanting to enjoy memories of their son.
I could go on for hours coming up with examples of how what you are doing in here, constantly bringing up bad and painful memories and trying to force your moral beliefs down other people's throats is shameful. BUT I am probably wasting my time as you have MADE UP YOUR MIND AND YOU WON'T CHANGE YOUR MIND NO MATTER WHAT, right?
The 1996-97 season will live for me forever because of the case of chlamydia I got from a local chica in San Antonio during the Midwest Regional (actually I made that up, but that weekend road trip, and those games, remain one of the most fun weekends I've ever had and nothing can take that away).
Thank you!That is so dang heartwarming. Congrats on 20 years of Gopher Love!
Oh, I get the point just fine. This program is so devoid of achievement historically that people cling to an "accomplishment" gained through cheating and celebrate it as though it were legitimate. As long as it continues to get brought up (note that I didn't post the OP), I will continue to provide a factual counterpoint. If you don't want me to talk about it, stop bringing it up.
I'm really hoping that we get a legitimate Final Four appearance in the next year or two in the hopes that people will stop romanticizing the most shameful period in University of Minnesota athletics history.
I've made my position very clear, multiple times. If a thread is started on it, I'm going to comment on it. I'm not going to stop because of your feeble made-up personal attacks. Deal with it.
Did I get him to stop? I'd feel I accomplished something good if I shamed his judgemental arse into letting it go!!!
Following the 1997 Gopher Men's BB team was the most fun I think I ever had as a Gopher fan, since they were on such a big national stage, as compared to watching the Wrestling and hockey teams win titles, which were all very close 2nds. And no matter how much I hate what Haskins did and how it's tarnished our cbb program's reputation and history, it makes me sick to my stomach thinking about how much I resent what Tubby did to everyone involved, but none of those ill feelings can change the fact that "at the time" it was the most fun I had as a Gopher fan.
And honestly, the LAST thing I need is some prick like dpodoll68 thinking innocent Gopher fans that weren't in on the cheating, need to suffer any more than we already have AND WILL continue to suffer.
For the rest of our lives, we'll NEVER be able to regain what the 1997 team did, officially. How many wins and trips to the NCAA tourney and an NIT Title even, were PERMANANTLY erased from the records??? We'd have to win 4-5 National Titles in a row before we could recover what was taken from us, and I'm not just talking about past records that were stripped, but all of the future potential success that would have otherwise been there for the taking, with or without Haskins as the coach. And I don't see even the most positive hopeful thinking diehard fans of RP thinking that will ever happen. Cbb just isn't the kind of sport that lends to winning many, if any, Titles in a row, not without cheating like UCLA did. So outside of winning 4-5 titles in a row, it will take a decade of great basketball to get the program back to where it was, and several decades of really great bb to get us to where we might have gotten to if the scandal had never happened.
And no, dpodlk, I am not saying that I wish Haskins hadn't gotten caught, I'm talking about, what might have or would have happened had Haskins and his players NOT CHEATED, so spare me your condescending judgemental bs.
Yeah, ALL Gopher fans have suffered plenty and will continue to suffer, for the rest of their lives. Does that make you happy Dpodlk?
The 1996-97 season will live for me forever because of the case of chlamydia I got from a local chica in San Antonio during the Midwest Regional (actually I made that up, but that weekend road trip, and those games, remain one of the most fun weekends I've ever had and nothing can take that away).