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Can you explain to me what Sweden is doing currently that is so largely different than what we’re doing in the US?

I try to stay middle of the road and try to bring people back to center. I'm of the opinion the best path to Gopher football is neither lockdowns nor unrestricted openings. If you want I will cite the info I'm basing that on and breakdown the reasons why. You're a walking bag of conspiracy...

Thanks IV, I try to keep it civil. I totally agree if you follow the mainstream media it’s either one end or the other. I hope he’s right but we’ve got to be cautious for a few weeks to be sure. Texas has gone from 8.4% of inpatient beds as COVID to 12%+ in just the last week. If we’re doing...

These are all great facts, don't forget to add model was built on influenza characteristics not COVID. The modelers knew their model would be flawed, but it's still a pretty decent piece of science and they really weren't far off with their lower bound estimates. I'm well aware of the...

It's a great argument but he leaves a lot out and makes some false statements. You also know it's politically motivated when it's so fixated on deaths (left or right). I wholly agree that case counts are not what we should be fixated on. Neither are death counts. The left and right are too...

Please stop putting science in quotes when you refuse to acknowledge facts. I’ve given you an apolitical overview and you continue to ignore.

Man you railed against fake news and preening politicians but you sure sound like one. That original modeling from the Inperial College (which was always going to be flawed after we learned more) predicted a 0.9% IFR at a time when the general public was screaming about 10%+. Studies today, with...

There are a lot of surgical masks floating around. Besides that, yes cloth masks and bandanas do something, go back and read the papers and the last couple days of the thread we discussed. Masks are about managed spread not prevention. Please stop injecting politics into science and medicine.

This paper in Nature Medicine was impactful on shifting my opinion: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2 It is interesting to see the different effects the masking had between coronavirus, influenza, and rhinovirus.

How about this? Keep things open and wear a mask, and maximize our likelihood of staying FREE!

Thanks for the reference, I don’t know if I’d seen this one. It sure would be nice getting some standardization from the gov (with support outside of the CDC), Still have to get people on the train of something is better than nothing first.

60-80% are estimates for herd immunity by epidemiologists, but yeah no one really knows. NYC is estimated to be at around 20% already.

Also, I will add, look at the CDC providing facts that match up with your viewpoint: https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/report-patient-impact.html In Texas only 8.3% of inpatient beds are occupied by COVID patients. In the hardest hit state currently, Arizona, 16.8% of inpatient beds are...

I'm defending the scientific and medical community. I'm not really a big fan, anyone in his position with the same credentials would have done the same. He's no saint, and he's no antichrist. My views are in no way shaped by political viewpoints, please do not use that lens when reading my...

The misconceptions that I bulleted and addressed. Again, the view in the medical and scientific community has changed from "Masks are used for prevention" to "Masks are used for risk reduction and spread." So at the time of those recommendations, based on the information we had available, that...

Thanks MG, I should clarify that if done in an optimized way, we prevent a lot of deaths by encouraging heard immunity in the less vulnerable populations first. Which is why you won't see me pointing to increased cases as a measure of the sky is falling, but we have to keep an eye on the weeks...

I never have nor will deny they were concerned about saving PPE, because the healthcare system is really the only thing that matters in this whole thing. Pretty much everyone is going to get it, it spreads too fast for that not to be a reality, vaccines can't come fast enough. The only thing...

Yes saving PPE played a large part because at the time mask = medical mask, therefore if you recommend masking there will be a rush on medical masks. Pitino, your video essentially exactly outlines what I just said. They would not recommend masks because they were seen as NOT "providing the...

The mask recommendation changed as new data became available and the rationale for using them changed. Health officials had previously recommended against cloth/surgical type masks as they don't block inhalation of the sized particles that can cause an infection, aka they are not preventative...

Truth, I touched on that here too about how we shouldn't be using the same optics as 2 months ago: https://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/threads/all-things-covid-19-college-football-impact.96574/post-1984558 Mark my words on this one, and I'm willing to put down some money on it: If we see...