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can tell we're in the doldrums of offseason and that PJ lives in the heads of Nebraska fans. It's literally not even remotely close that PJ is better than Rhule by basically every metric

Fleck:
30-22 at WMU with an initial 1-11, building to a 13-1 year and Cotton Bowl bid
66-44 at Minnesota, 7 straight bowl wins, peak an 11 win season and #10 overall final ranking
Overall 96-66 (.592)

Rhule:
28-23 at Temple with initial 2-10 building to a 10-3 before leaving for Baylor
19-20 at Baylor with a peak year of 11-3 where they lost to every ranked team they played
Went to NFL at Carolina where he was terrible for 3 years, going 11-27 (got fired at 1-4 in his 3rd year and team went 6-6 the rest of the way)
19-19 at Nebraska where he's gone 0-2 H2H with PJ
Overall 66-62 (.516)


In what world is it even a debate? He's been a complete bust at Nebraska thus far despite the resources and hype, his peak year at Baylor he gets credit for getting to a conf title game where they lost. People talk about it like it was a successful year but that Oklahoma team was ass (they got housed by LSU 63-28 in the CFP). Add to it PJ has owned him on game day each time we've played and it's hilarious to even discuss.
 






upnorthkid said:
can tell we're in the doldrums of offseason and that PJ lives in the heads of Nebraska fans. It's literally not even remotely close that PJ is better than Rhule by basically every metric

Fleck:
30-22 at WMU with an initial 1-11, building to a 13-1 year and Cotton Bowl bid
66-44 at Minnesota, 7 straight bowl wins, peak an 11 win season and #10 overall final ranking
Overall 96-66 (.592)

Rhule:
28-23 at Temple with initial 2-10 building to a 10-3 before leaving for Baylor
19-20 at Baylor with a peak year of 11-3 where they lost to every ranked team they played
Went to NFL at Carolina where he was terrible for 3 years, going 11-27 (got fired at 1-4 in his 3rd year and team went 6-6 the rest of the way)
19-19 at Nebraska where he's gone 0-2 H2H with PJ
Overall 66-62 (.516)


In what world is it even a debate? He's been a complete bust at Nebraska thus far despite the resources and hype, his peak year at Baylor he gets credit for getting to a conf title game where they lost. People talk about it like it was a successful year but that Oklahoma team was ass (they got housed by LSU 63-28 in the CFP). Add to it PJ has owned him on game day each time we've played and it's hilarious to even discuss.
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Pretty much made the same point in another thread. Fleck had better production at the Group of 5 level, and has been better at Minnesota than what Rhule's done at Baylor and Nebraska. The fact that Nebraska still has advantages in terms of recruiting and name recognition is another point in Fleck's favor, too.
 




IceBoxGopher said:
Pretty much made the same point in another thread. Fleck had better production at the Group of 5 level, and has been better at Minnesota than what Rhule's done at Baylor and Nebraska. The fact that Nebraska still has advantages in terms of recruiting and name recognition is another point in Fleck's favor, too.
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What recruiting advantages does Nebraska currently have over MN?
 

gopherbadgerman said:
What recruiting advantages does Nebraska currently have over MN?
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really i think all that remains is the following

Dads who still wear starter jackets and think Nebraska is a blue blood
maybe a couple million in NIL (max). they're way closer to us than they are to OSU, Oregon, Michigan
they are geographically closer to recruiting hot beds in the south and culturally closer to them
college sports is king in Nebraska comparatively



I think anyone who thinks they're anywhere near the other blue bloods in terms of NIL dollars is mistaken and I'd say what we've seen in the portal and in recruiting fits that pretty well
 


I actually am higher on Rhule than most, but yeah PJ is the far better head coach.
 




upnorthkid said:
Dads who still wear starter jackets and think Nebraska is a blue blood
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A common sentiment I've seen here over the years is that Nebraska fans live in the past and are delusional about their program's strength. I've perused Nebraska board threads frequently over the last ten years and formerly worked with a number of Nebraska alums and I don't get that impression at all. I think they very much recognize that they're not the same program that they were 30, or even 20, years ago. I would call them hopeful but realistic.
 


TwistingMyMelon said:
A common sentiment I've seen here over the years is that Nebraska fans live in the past and are delusional about their program's strength. I've perused Nebraska board threads frequently over the last ten years and formerly worked with a number of Nebraska alums and I don't get that impression at all. I think they very much recognize that they're not the same program that they were 30, or even 20, years ago. I would call them hopeful but realistic.
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The above there are some. I see them at the games here and while being down in Lincoln.

I agree most of their fanbase doesn’t think that and actually many of them think they’re fucked in the NIL era
 

TwistingMyMelon said:
A common sentiment I've seen here over the years is that Nebraska fans live in the past and are delusional about their program's strength. I've perused Nebraska board threads frequently over the last ten years and formerly worked with a number of Nebraska alums and I don't get that impression at all. I think they very much recognize that they're not the same program that they were 30, or even 20, years ago. I would call them hopeful but realistic.
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I feel like it has changed very recently. Once Scott Frost failed, a good amount came to a realization the Tom Osbourne days were long gone.
 



gopherbadgerman said:
What recruiting advantages does Nebraska currently have over MN?
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Well, they must have more money, more prestige or something? They are 11 spots higher in recruiting ranking versus the Gophers. They have 9 Four Stars to our 4. Their average recruit is over 2 points higher which is a lot...89.58 to 87.37.
They recruit well every year...they play mediocre every year.
What is it? Money seems like the obvious advantage? It's something and it isn't because of Rhule...Frost had good classes before NIL...idk what the advantage is but they got one.

We got the Vikings, T Wolves, Wild, Twins, MOA, Canterbury, Mystic Lake, Guthrie, concerts etc...they got Nebraska the school.
 
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There are so many things that I love about college football. The Gopher's mastery over Nebraska both now, and on an ongoing basis are a couple of my favorite things.
 

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