How does this program get meaningfully more NIL money for Medved?

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I can't imagine that Coyle is going to make a meaningful change in how he divides up the money from the U. Maybe he moves around a bit at the margins but the allocation he had seems to be one he'll stick with.

Do we have big enough donors to contribute a more meaningful amount? Seems like DT Athletes skews heavily football and men's basketball is very much a secondary priority.

Did Medved do enough to get big pockets off the sideline or to dig deeper? Do we think there's a path to $3-5MM more per year than what we had this year?

Gotta keep in mind, that we don't just need more, we need more than those around us. If uw or Iowa or Maryland increase their pockets by $1-2MM this offseason, we need to increase to $5MM just to catch up. We likely are still in a spot to have to overpay for guys.

Curious what others think.
 

Simple...Need a donor or collective to really step up with a couple million dollars.

Or they can charge the students another 100 bucks each and put that towards paying players.
 

Maybe the white house/congressional round table will make the necessary changes to the overall landscape of college athletics where the playing field becomes a little closer to equal. The every year free agency needs to be fixed big time.
 

RockChalk said:
Maybe the white house/congressional round table will make the necessary changes to the overall landscape of college athletics where the playing field becomes a little closer to equal. The every year free agency needs to be fixed big time.
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It really is absurd. The amount of money athletes are getting should be contractual, just like a job. "If you come play for us, this is the amount you get. If you leave before X number of years, this is the amount you owe us back."
 

Niko knows how to build up a program. Part of building now is raising NIL funds. He's shown what he can do with a limited roster. If he keeps this up, people will step up to donate to see what he can do with even middle of the pack talent in conference. He's busy chasing the ghosts out of Williams that have haunted the program since 1999. Once people believe the demons have been exercised, I wouldn't be surprised if the flood gates open.
 


GopherBlood777 said:
He's busy chasing the ghosts out of Williams that have haunted the program since 1999. Once people believe the demons have been exercised, I wouldn't be surprised if the flood gates open.
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Let's exorcise them instead, I hate the idea of well-conditioned demons out there continuing to haunt The Barn!
 






mplarson7 said:
It really is absurd. The amount of money athletes are getting should be contractual, just like a job. "If you come play for us, this is the amount you get. If you leave before X number of years, this is the amount you owe us back."
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Should be all jobs. Teachers leave after 7 years? They owe the school! Target cashier leaves after 11 months? They owe Target.
 

UpAndUnder43 said:
Should be all jobs. Teachers leave after 7 years? They owe the school! Target cashier leaves after 11 months? They owe Target.
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You misunderstand. NIL is not salary. Jobs that pay out bonuses, such as sign-on bonuses or moving expenses, there is typically a window of time that if the employee leaves before that, they owe back a percentage of those sign-on bonuses.
 





Get our daughters to hand over a portion of their girl scout cookie revenue? 🍪🍪🍪
 



mplarson7 said:
You misunderstand. NIL is not salary. Jobs that pay out bonuses, such as sign-on bonuses or moving expenses, there is typically a window of time that if the employee leaves before that, they owe back a percentage of those sign-on bonuses.
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Nonsense.
 



mplarson7 said:
You misunderstand. NIL is not salary. Jobs that pay out bonuses, such as sign-on bonuses or moving expenses, there is typically a window of time that if the employee leaves before that, they owe back a percentage of those sign-on bonuses.
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Sure. But in a free market some other teams will offer without those stipulations. Unless you’re against a free market. Which many are!
 

KK can add another $5 to their line leap cost and that goes right to the collective
 

mplarson7 said:
It's not nonsense. My first professional contract was as such.
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Agreed. I should have been more clear. The technicalities of contract law are not nonsense.

The following rant is not directed at you:

What I mean is the entire concept of NIL is nonsense. No one is actually paying Kai Shinholster (or 99% of all the athletes) for the rights to use his likeness.

Just like we pretended for decades that many of these athletes were there to get an education, or that they weren't getting paid under the table, now we've shifted to pretending we're paying "student athletes" to use their "likeness".

Today's reality is these are professionals who've been hired to do a job at the university. Not much different from a professor, or maintenance man. There need to be enforceable contracts in place.

While we're being honest, academic progress should be voluntary. If a guy's getting paid $700k to play basketball, why pretend anyone cares about his grade on a chemistry mid-term?
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
Agreed. I should have been more clear. The technicalities of contract law are not nonsense.

The following rant is not directed at you:

What I mean is the entire concept of NIL is nonsense. No one is actually paying Kai Shinholster (or 99% of all the athletes) for the rights to use his likeness.

Just like we pretended for decades that many of these athletes were there to get an education, or that they weren't getting paid under the table, now we've shifted to pretending we're paying "student athletes" to use their "likeness".

Today's reality is these are professionals who've been hired to do a job at the university. Not much different from a professor, or maintenance man. There need to be enforceable contracts in place.

While we're being honest, academic progress should be voluntary. If a guy's getting paid $700k to play basketball, why pretend anyone cares about his grade on a chemistry mid-term?
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Michael Jordan was not on salary with McDonald's when he was doing commercials for them back in his heyday.

So if that's the case, then I don't really see a big deal if NIL simply happens to be the vehicle that allows the contract to get done.

What would you prefer?


As far as if the U actually is paying the athlete for their likeness, what about this? The U makes $$$$ from its uniform supplier (in this case Nike). The reason essentially is, Nike is getting advertising every time the U's players wear uniforms that have a Nike swoosh on them.

OK. So then, the players themselves are part of that advertising. Then the U is basically just giving them a slice of that Nike uniform contract.

Disagree?
 

Speaking of uniforms, that is one more way to eke out some more dollars: uniform advertising patches. I know this is already being discussed for football, why not basketball as well?

This won't satisfy the OP much because he wants dollars that the rest of the Big Ten wouldn't be able to match.

Not really sure what there is to be done there, other than sell more tickets or get more donors.
 

GopherGrit said:
Speaking of uniforms, that is one more way to eke out some more dollars: uniform advertising patches. I know this is already being discussed for football, why not basketball as well?

This won't satisfy the OP much because he wants dollars that the rest of the Big Ten wouldn't be able to match.

Not really sure what there is to be done there, other than sell more tickets or get more donors.
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I could be wrong but jersey patches, ticket sales etc just goes to the university. And if they have a cap on how much $$ the school can spend I think that makes those things a moot point.

I hate to say it but at this point we aren't going to suddenly fall into a huge windfall. Every other school that has that basically has 1 gigantic booster that makes that work. We don't have that and likely never will. So because of that we likely have to build it up slowly and go more of the "death by a thousand cuts" type thing were the collective group grows. Its not going to be overnight but I think we have the guy at the helm to help that.
 

GopherGrit said:
Michael Jordan was not on salary with McDonald's when he was doing commercials for them back in his heyday.
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Admittedly I know little about how Michael Jordan's Nike was structured. A couple things I'm pretty sure of are that he was A) a professional athlete and B) he had a legally enforceable contract to represent their company.
GopherGrit said:
So if that's the case, then I don't really see a big deal if NIL simply happens to be the vehicle that allows the contract to get done.
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I agree. NIL is basically just a workaround or "vehicle" to get professional contracts done & pretend they're not employees. That's sort of my point.
GopherGrit said:
What would you prefer?
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I'd prefer we just admit college sports are a minor league system, where professional athletes choose to work at the University of Minnesota or wherever. I don't think we need to pretend they're students, unless they want to attend classes. I don't think they even need to live on campus, unless they want to. I think we need legally enforceable contracts, preferably multi-year deals like the big leagues have & there should be enforceable penalties for tampering.

I also think NIL has no guard rails right now, and needs to get worse before it gets better.
GopherGrit said:
As far as if the U actually is paying the athlete for their likeness, what about this? The U makes $$$$ from its uniform supplier (in this case Nike). The reason essentially is, Nike is getting advertising every time the U's players wear uniforms that have a Nike swoosh on them.

OK. So then, the players themselves are part of that advertising. Then the U is basically just giving them a slice of that Nike uniform contract.

Disagree?
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NIL money comes from a quasi-private NIL collective designed to compensate athletes for using their likeness. Or something, lol. It sounds like what you're talking about is revenue sharing? I'm fine with the athletes getting a chunk of the rev share money. But then aren't we just pretending the athletes aren't employees if the employer is sharing their revenue with them?
 

leib0039 said:
I could be wrong but jersey patches, ticket sales etc just goes to the university. And if they have a cap on how much $$ the school can spend I think that makes those things a moot point.

I hate to say it but at this point we aren't going to suddenly fall into a huge windfall. Every other school that has that basically has 1 gigantic booster that makes that work. We don't have that and likely never will. So because of that we likely have to build it up slowly and go more of the "death by a thousand cuts" type thing were the collective group grows. Its not going to be overnight but I think we have the guy at the helm to help that.
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You're right that the House settlement money is capped. The only way it can meaningfully increase is if Coyle and U admin decide to change the allocation percentage.

As far as 3rd party NIL ... the only thing you didn't bring up is the thing that Costa Rican and probably others have already thought of: somehow convince local corporations that they should do big 3rd party NIL deals with U players.

I don't see that ever happening, to a needle-moving extent at least. Maybe I'll be wrong. Football did just get a deal this year with Cub Foods. But we don't know how much that actually was for.
 

GopherGrit said:
As far as 3rd party NIL ... the only thing you didn't bring up is the thing that Costa Rican and probably others have already thought of: somehow convince local corporations that they should do big 3rd party NIL deals with U players.
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Every other revenue stream feels it's just keeping up with the Jones'.

The only way I can think of to actually gain ground or get ahead for the U of M in the NIL arms race is to somehow tap into the Fortune 500 market here in the TC like Memphis did with Fed Ex.
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
Admittedly I know little about how Michael Jordan's Nike was structured. A couple things I'm pretty sure of are that he was A) a professional athlete and B) he had a legally enforceable contract to represent their company.

I agree. NIL is basically just a workaround or "vehicle" to get professional contracts done & pretend they're not employees. That's sort of my point.

I'd prefer we just admit college sports are a minor league system, where professional athletes choose to work at the University of Minnesota or wherever. I don't think we need to pretend they're students, unless they want to attend classes. I don't think they even need to live on campus, unless they want to. I think we need legally enforceable contracts, preferably multi-year deals like the big leagues have & there should be enforceable penalties for tampering.

I also think NIL has no guard rails right now, and needs to get worse before it gets better.

NIL money comes from a quasi-private NIL collective designed to compensate athletes for using their likeness. Or something, lol. It sounds like what you're talking about is revenue sharing? I'm fine with the athletes getting a chunk of the rev share money. But then aren't we just pretending the athletes aren't employees if the employer is sharing their revenue with them?
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I'm not sure what you mean by the biggest point you seem to be harping on, the enforceable bit. You're saying because the Duke player got out of his deal in order to go play for Miami? If that's what you're talking about, that chapped my ass too. So if so, then we're on the same page there.

I probably want most all the same things you want. And to get them we need collective bargaining.

What I don't want to have happen is for players to be wage-earning, full-time employees of the schools. That would shutter most athletic departments across the nation (talking about the lower levels of college sports).


There has to be, and I think is room inbetween: think about something like the Writers Guild of America. I don't think writers are full-time employees on payrolls. And yet they can and did unionize and collectively bargain some guaranteed benefits and standards.


NIL vs House settlement money "revenue sharing", OK you're right. If we're saying NIL and you mean only 3rd party NIL, then you are correct.


Lastly, personally for me, it's a red line to cross about allowing college players to play and don't have to go to school.

I'll stop watching. Hard no. I will never ever watch a minute again if they let the players stop being students. F that. We already have pro, I'll just watch that.
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
Every other revenue stream feels it's just keeping up with the Jones'.

The only way I can think of to actually gain ground or get ahead for the U of M in the NIL arms race is to somehow tap into the Fortune 500 market here in the TC like Memphis did with Fed Ex.
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If they can pull it off, great. I know there have been many discussions and arguments about whether it is feasible.
 

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