Cedric Tomes commits!!!

Honest…..I’m not stalking Cedric, it’s just easier for me to get to games on the east end of town.

East Ridge beat CDH 67-59 on Friday night as Cedric scored 25. He was double teamed most of the night (as usual) took some ill advised shots,
but still shows a swagger that I like. He had 3 teammates score in double figures, and that is a formula his team needs to have success.

The game was quite chippy with Tomes in the middle of it. the refs had to talk to both him and his coach at half time.

Didn’t keep stats in this one except to notice that he was 7-7 from the line including 4-4 at crunch time…Ty Schlegel had 25 for CDH.
The thing that should excite people about Cedric is he has the potential to turn into a guy as an upperclassmen that we just don't have right now. A guy who can fill it up when the offense isn't flowing. You can run all the beautiful back cuts and motions you want but sometimes when the chips are down you need a guy who can just go get his and Tomes could give us that. He has to facilitate for himself and the team at East Ridge as they lack playmakers in their backcourt so naturally he's a high usage low efficiency type on his team out of necessity but that won't be the case in college.
 

The thing that should excite people about Cedric is he has the potential to turn into a guy as an upperclassmen that we just don't have right now. A guy who can fill it up when the offense isn't flowing. You can run all the beautiful back cuts and motions you want but sometimes when the chips are down you need a guy who can just go get his and Tomes could give us that. He has to facilitate for himself and the team at East Ridge as they lack playmakers in their backcourt so naturally he's a high usage low efficiency type on his team out of necessity but that won't be the case in college.
Marcus Carr is the only guy I've felt that way about in the last two decades or so of Gopher basketball.
 

He is small and scores in the lane over small high school players with no rim protector behind them … that’s one thing I am curious about.. also needs to work on catch and shoot three.. lots of shooting threes after needing rhythm dribbles.. curious about that.. curious if he can guard.. should be fun
I just wrote how he was scoring over and over against 6-5 Iowa St comit Wiggins.
 




Marcus Carr is the only guy I've felt that way about in the last two decades or so of Gopher basketball.
Marcus was one, Nate Mason was another mid range pull up in transition stopped a lot of opposing team runs. Andre Hollins pre ankle injury was a guy who could get what he wanted whenever he wanted as well
 

Marcus was one, Nate Mason was another mid range pull up in transition stopped a lot of opposing team runs. Andre Hollins pre ankle injury was a guy who could get what he wanted whenever he wanted as well
I'd say Nate Mason or Devoe Joseph might be good comparisons. Neither were super athletic/quick, but they could do that stop start thing on drives to get defenders off balance and score on drives.
 


You know there were many more questions about Asuma playing in single A competition, although they did play a few bigger schools, on whether he is quick enough, a good enough ball handler, or whether he is a pg. He has been a solid guard.

Tomes is putting up crazy stats against 4A competition, and I'm sure when his team plays a top 5 team, and the main goal is to double him, and let others on his team "beat them", the percentages aren't great. If he is as bad of a recruit as some are making him, he will never be the "man" teams are trying to stop for the gophers. He is the #6 recruit in MN for a reason, in not too deep of a SR class.

I have watched thousands of high schoolers, some deemed projects, some considered to slow, some sure things. Tomes can score against bigger taller athletes, and he has unlimited range.

The question for me is will he buy into defense, and probably become average there? Will he play in Niko's offense, can he work on catch and shoot 3's, can his ego handle maybe playing 7-12 minutes a game next year and maybe only getting 2-3 shots?
 






Regarding Tomes potentially being a go to “shooter” for the Gophers….

On East Ridge’s all-time records page it shows Tomes’ 2024-2025 three point shooting percentage to be at least 31% or lower. The page shows that Cedric Tomes took the most threes last year (253) but didn’t make the most threes on his team last season (80). It doesn’t say how many threes Tomes made since he doesn’t have the makes record. But even if Tomes made 79 out of 253, that’s 31%. It could possibly be much lower.

Someone else on Tomes’ team (James Martin) actually made more threes on fewer attempts last year. It’s probably fair to question how Tomes, a supposed best shooter in the state since he was a sophomore, attempted the most threes but did not make the most threes on his own high school team as a junior. And why did the Gophers sign Tomes in the Spring of 2025 to be a three point shooting specialist after he did this?

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East Ridge Records Page

Notably, multiple interviews and articles that were conducted after last season concluded reported Tomes as shooting above 40% from three last year, and it is unclear how those figures were reported or calculated or verified. Who knows what number (40%+ or 31% or lower) the Gophers went off of. I hope the Gophers had the correct numbers.

“A three-star recruit, Tomes averaged 27.3 points and made more than 40 percent of his 3-point attempts last season.”
Yahoo Article
“The first-team all-state honored guard scored 27.3 points per game, shooting over 40 percent from the arc and getting his team to 21-7 on the year.”
24/7 Interview
“During his junior year, Cedric averaged 27 PPG, over 40% 3pt FG“
Dr. Dish Interview

Shooting 31% or below would likely put Tomes at the bottom end of recruitable guards for the Gophers. The difference between a 31% or lower three point specialist and a 40%+ three point specialist is massive. That swing in shooting efficiency would force entirely different decisions in playing time, development, spacing and usage decisions.

Almost all guards the Gophers recruit out of high school will realistically fall somewhere between about 30% and 45% from three. That entire performance band is only 15% wide. A jump from 30% to 40%+ spans 10 percentage points, which covers roughly 67% of that whole recruiting range.

The difference between 30 makes and 40 makes is not just 10 shots. A 40% three point shooter takes 100 shots and makes 40 threes with 60 misses. A 30% three point shooter needs 134 total attempts to reach 40 makes, which means 94 misses. To get to the same 40 made threes, the 30% shooter has to take 34 more shots with 57% more misses (60 misses vs 94 misses). That is not a small gap. It is a massive efficiency difference.

325 of the 365 teams in division 1 men’s basketball are currently shooting higher than 31% from three as a team. Yale, the top three point shooting team in the NCAA, shoots 41.9%.

It seems difficult to project how a 5’10ish point guard shooting 31% or potentially much lower (according to his high schools team’s official stats) from three at the Minnesota high school level translates to the much more difficult B1G level. But if the Gopher’s are banking on Tomes being any kind of three point shooter specialist, I think the program will be in trouble.

It’s strange and kind of concerning seeing Gopher’s recruits have different stats in interviews/articles vs on high school teams official stats. I hope the Gopher’s are getting players correct stats. There seems to be a real need for MSHSL, the Star Tribune, or MN Basketball Hub to require teams to post full stat lines (not just points) as some kind of check and balance. Other high school sports already report detailed official stats, so it is hard to justify why basketball does not. I think officially reported advanced stats would help with high school basketball strategy, analysis, recognition, awards, and college recruiting.
 




Regarding Tomes potentially being a go to “shooter” for the Gophers….

On East Ridge’s all-time records page it shows Tomes’ 2024-2025 three point shooting percentage to be at least 31% or lower. The page shows that Cedric Tomes took the most threes last year (253) but didn’t make the most threes on his team last season (80). It doesn’t say how many threes Tomes made since he doesn’t have the makes record. But even if Tomes made 79 out of 253, that’s 31%. It could possibly be much lower.

Someone else on Tomes’ team (James Martin) actually made more threes on fewer attempts last year. It’s probably fair to question how Tomes, a supposed best shooter in the state since he was a sophomore, attempted the most threes but did not make the most threes on his own high school team as a junior. And why did the Gophers sign Tomes in the Spring of 2025 to be a three point shooting specialist after he did this?

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East Ridge Records Page

Notably, multiple interviews and articles that were conducted after last season concluded reported Tomes as shooting above 40% from three last year, and it is unclear how those figures were reported or calculated or verified. Who knows what number (40%+ or 31% or lower) the Gophers went off of. I hope the Gophers had the correct numbers.


Yahoo Article

24/7 Interview

Dr. Dish Interview

Shooting 31% or below would likely put Tomes at the bottom end of recruitable guards for the Gophers. The difference between a 31% or lower three point specialist and a 40%+ three point specialist is massive. That swing in shooting efficiency would force entirely different decisions in playing time, development, spacing and usage decisions.

Almost all guards the Gophers recruit out of high school will realistically fall somewhere between about 30% and 45% from three. That entire performance band is only 15% wide. A jump from 30% to 40%+ spans 10 percentage points, which covers roughly 67% of that whole recruiting range.

The difference between 30 makes and 40 makes is not just 10 shots. A 40% three point shooter takes 100 shots and makes 40 threes with 60 misses. A 30% three point shooter needs 134 total attempts to reach 40 makes, which means 94 misses. To get to the same 40 made threes, the 30% shooter has to take 34 more shots with 57% more misses (60 misses vs 94 misses). That is not a small gap. It is a massive efficiency difference.

325 of the 365 teams in division 1 men’s basketball are currently shooting higher than 31% from three as a team. Yale, the top three point shooting team in the NCAA, shoots 41.9%.

It seems difficult to project how a 5’10ish point guard shooting 31% or potentially much lower (according to his high schools team’s official stats) from three at the Minnesota high school level translates to the much more difficult B1G level. But if the Gopher’s are banking on Tomes being any kind of three point shooter specialist, I think the program will be in trouble.

It’s strange and kind of concerning seeing Gopher’s recruits have different stats in interviews/articles vs on high school teams official stats. I hope the Gopher’s are getting players correct stats. There seems to be a real need for MSHSL, the Star Tribune, or MN Basketball Hub to require teams to post full stat lines (not just points) as some kind of check and balance. Other high school sports already report detailed official stats, so it is hard to justify why basketball does not. I think officially reported advanced stats would help with high school basketball strategy, analysis, recognition, awards, and college recruiting.

This post sounds like it could be a bit personal… BUT it has some merit… from the ER people I talked to they say Galvan is their best three point shooter…Tomes will be an interesting player to keep an eye on..
 

Regarding Tomes potentially being a go to “shooter” for the Gophers….

On East Ridge’s all-time records page it shows Tomes’ 2024-2025 three point shooting percentage to be at least 31% or lower. The page shows that Cedric Tomes took the most threes last year (253) but didn’t make the most threes on his team last season (80). It doesn’t say how many threes Tomes made since he doesn’t have the makes record. But even if Tomes made 79 out of 253, that’s 31%. It could possibly be much lower.

Someone else on Tomes’ team (James Martin) actually made more threes on fewer attempts last year. It’s probably fair to question how Tomes, a supposed best shooter in the state since he was a sophomore, attempted the most threes but did not make the most threes on his own high school team as a junior. And why did the Gophers sign Tomes in the Spring of 2025 to be a three point shooting specialist after he did this?

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East Ridge Records Page

Notably, multiple interviews and articles that were conducted after last season concluded reported Tomes as shooting above 40% from three last year, and it is unclear how those figures were reported or calculated or verified. Who knows what number (40%+ or 31% or lower) the Gophers went off of. I hope the Gophers had the correct numbers.


Yahoo Article

24/7 Interview

Dr. Dish Interview

Shooting 31% or below would likely put Tomes at the bottom end of recruitable guards for the Gophers. The difference between a 31% or lower three point specialist and a 40%+ three point specialist is massive. That swing in shooting efficiency would force entirely different decisions in playing time, development, spacing and usage decisions.

Almost all guards the Gophers recruit out of high school will realistically fall somewhere between about 30% and 45% from three. That entire performance band is only 15% wide. A jump from 30% to 40%+ spans 10 percentage points, which covers roughly 67% of that whole recruiting range.

The difference between 30 makes and 40 makes is not just 10 shots. A 40% three point shooter takes 100 shots and makes 40 threes with 60 misses. A 30% three point shooter needs 134 total attempts to reach 40 makes, which means 94 misses. To get to the same 40 made threes, the 30% shooter has to take 34 more shots with 57% more misses (60 misses vs 94 misses). That is not a small gap. It is a massive efficiency difference.

325 of the 365 teams in division 1 men’s basketball are currently shooting higher than 31% from three as a team. Yale, the top three point shooting team in the NCAA, shoots 41.9%.

It seems difficult to project how a 5’10ish point guard shooting 31% or potentially much lower (according to his high schools team’s official stats) from three at the Minnesota high school level translates to the much more difficult B1G level. But if the Gopher’s are banking on Tomes being any kind of three point shooter specialist, I think the program will be in trouble.

It’s strange and kind of concerning seeing Gopher’s recruits have different stats in interviews/articles vs on high school teams official stats. I hope the Gopher’s are getting players correct stats. There seems to be a real need for MSHSL, the Star Tribune, or MN Basketball Hub to require teams to post full stat lines (not just points) as some kind of check and balance. Other high school sports already report detailed official stats, so it is hard to justify why basketball does not. I think officially reported advanced stats would help with high school basketball strategy, analysis, recognition, awards, and college recruiting.
To be frank I would be much more curious about his numbers playing for D1 Minnesota, they were pretty stacked and obviously playing against top talent on the circuit is going to be a better indicator of how his game will translate to the next level, guessing based on who his teammates were he wasn't chucking like he does at East Ridge
 

I hope Tomes turns into a mini Keaton Wagler… Niko was right on with Wagler.. Tomes did not have any other real offers from Power 4 schools.. .. Iowa St was off him quick.. should be interesting .. Wagler Gophers and Illinois..
 

To be frank I would be much more curious about his numbers playing for D1 Minnesota, they were pretty stacked and obviously playing against top talent on the circuit is going to be a better indicator of how his game will translate to the next level, guessing based on who his teammates were he wasn't chucking like he does at East Ridge

AAU can be very misleading… ask college coaches… lot of one on one.. College coaches can’t stand recruiting the summer AAU circuit…
 

AAU can be very misleading… ask college coaches… lot of one on one.. College coaches can’t stand recruiting the summer AAU circuit…
It can be and not every one has the best interest of all the kids but I've seen D1 MN enough times over the years where it's a safe bet he was well coached and that team was playing hard on both sides of the floor more often than not.
 

I hope Tomes turns into a mini Keaton Wagler… Niko was right on with Wagler.. Tomes did not have any other real offers from Power 4 schools.. .. Iowa St was off him quick.. should be interesting .. Wagler Gophers and Illinois..
I’ve only seen a few highlight type videos of him. Is Nate Mason a good comp? He’s not going to blow anyone away with his athleticism, but I thought he picked his spots well, and uses his body really well to create space.
 


It’s probably fair to question how Tomes, a supposed best shooter in the state since he was a sophomore, attempted the most threes but did not make the most threes on his own high school team as a junior.
It's probably fair to answer that Tomes being the focal point for every team defensively raises the degree of difficulty of his shots and lowers the degree of difficulty of his teammates' shots
 

It's probably fair to answer that Tomes being the focal point for every team defensively raises the degree of difficulty of his shots and lowers the degree of difficulty of his teammates' shots
I haven't seen a single game, and therefore couldn't say anything with certitude.

That said, what you've said is the first thing that popped to my mind.
 

Part of the reason why the 31% or lower number shocked me…

I’m an old guy….In 2001, I played on Cretin-Derham Hall’s team that featured 6’6 forward Steve Sir and 6’5 guard Joe Mauer, and I thought I remembered both of those guys shooting at a much higher percentage (with better size, form, elevation, and shot selection). I looked up CDH’s all-time records, and Steve Sir shot 49.3% (146/296) from three on higher volume than Tomes. Steve validated that in college as well, shooting 48% (93/189) and 49% (123/252) from three during his junior and senior years at Northern Arizona. In his third best sport, Joe Mauer shot 42% from three (61/145) on likely a similar make volume to Tomes.

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Maybe Sir and Mauer’s numbers were a mistake to compare Tomes to because he shoots NBA range threes? Maybe being a 31% or lower three point shooter in high school is considered good now due to them taking NBA range threes? And maybe I came in with too high of expectations because I heard people comparing Tomes to Jake Sullivan. I thought Tomes was essentially supposed to be a once in a generation Minnesota shooter. I didn’t expect him to be the second best three point best shooter on his team as a junior, but who knows maybe the spacing Tomes created allowed his teammate to be the better three point shooter. People do really seem to think Tomes is a shooter with unlimited range so I must be the one who wrong on this.

I was at the East Ridge vs Cottage Grove game on Tuesday. According to my numbers, Tomes made 18/20 free throws (he is a great free throw shooter). He scored 30 points. He went 0/5 from three. He went 6/25 from the field. I believe 3 of Tomes 6 made shots were uncontested breakaway layups. So, Tomes went 3/22 on contested shots.

Towards the end of the game, Cottage Grove fans started chanting “free throw merchant” at Tomes. Incase this isn’t a term known by all…a free throw merchant is a term used to sort of criticize players who hunt for fouls and build their scoring around free throws rather than from the field. The term should actually be viewed as a compliment. Tomes is great at getting foul calls and knocking down like 80%-90% of free throws. He gets the other best teams players in foul trouble and gets his team in the bonus. This is a huge advantage for East Ridge.

I have seen East Ridge play 5 times this year and an average game for Tomes has looked like 6/18 on 2 Pointers, 2/7 on 3 pointers, 12/15 on free throws. So, 12 points on twos, 6 points on threes and 12 points on free throws and 30 total points on 8/25 (32%).

Of Tomes 6 made 2 pointers, 2-3 are usually uncontested fast break layups. So, in these games Tomes could essentially go 3/15 on contested two pointers and 2/7 on three pointers and still end up at 30 a game due to free throws and uncontested layups. He makes like 5/22 contested shots. It can be odd to watch. In someways he makes getting to 30 points look easy, but the scoring can maybe seem a bit gimmicky and not necessarily dominant in my opinion. He dominates the game by getting to the free throw line and not by shooting in my opinion.

I know Tomes has had great games against great teams this year that I didn’t see and I am sure the Gophers have seen great things in workouts that I have not. And again, everyone seems to believe Tomes is a Jake Sullivan level shooter so that shooting percentage must not be indicative of the shooter Tomes is. If I trust other people’s analysis and I trust Niko, I am sure Tomes will turn out to be a great player and great shooter for the Gophers. And again, I think seeing Steve Sir and Joe Mauer shoot 50% and 42% from three in high school made me have unrealistic expectations.

So my analysis was probably wrong and should probably be disregarded.
 

And yet our coach, who seems to have a discerning eye for talent to fit his system, has signed the guy up. You’ve written two very long posts, both pretty critical of the young man’s shooting. I know nothing about him, but you seem to suddenly have a bone to pick with him. I have some faith Niko knows what he’s doing and in this case, he probably knows better how Tomes and his shooting skills will benefit the Minnesota Gophers men’s basketball team.
 

I take percentages of a volume shooter with a grain of salt. He's not going to shoot as much with the Gophers and it could be because he's forced to due to the team around him.
 


Does Joe Mauer have all 4 years of eligibility left? Sounds like we may be recruiting the wrong guy!
 





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