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The Deliberate Stranger said:
Drake still going to get $2.4 million next year so he's fine but the source on that is as solid as it gets.
I can tell you why Jair Abasiri decommitted and how Evan Hull visit in 2018 went too if you want to put PJ in a bad light. Not all sunshine and rainbows over here.
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LOL.
You know none of this.
 


The Deliberate Stranger said:
Drake still going to get $2.4 million next year so he's fine but the source on that is as solid as it gets.
I can tell you why Jair Abasiri decommitted and how Evan Hull visit in 2018 went too if you want to put PJ in a bad light. Not all sunshine and rainbows over here.
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Ok I’ll play…I’d like to hear more of some
of the insider dirt. I have some connections to
some boosters who say our NIL is not bottom of the barrel as many believe, more like upper mid in the conference. Is that enough? Don’t know, I also know Brosmer didn’t get that. My sources told me 50k last year is what got him, that seems a lot more believable. These numbers thrown around seem crazy.

I do know Fleck has played the transfer portal pretty well and overall a net positive. I think this year he has some more misses than usual but still wasn’t bad. I also think his recruiting has gotten better (but so has the rest of the conference). Can he get this team to the playoffs? I think he might be able to if things fall right but that’s my opinion. He needs to keep some assistants especially the young up and comers and get more money for his assistants so we don’t lose the Winston’s and the Heatherman’s of the world. Please upgrade this offense!
 

Ope3 said:
After the Wrigley Field debacle on Defense, they only gave up 13 points over the next 8 quarters of football.

Had an original officials call stood in the end zone of the Axe game, that total would have been cut by more than half.
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The northwestern game really showed the back 7 of the defense didn’t have the depth to sustain through injuries.

Also showed that Collins didn’t adjust strategies to the injuries well.



The defense played well more than it played bad this year. But the bad was BAD. Hopefully Collins is better in year two. If he is, he could be a good one.
 

DinkytownDelight said:
PJ has raised the floor of our program. I think we all are anxiously hoping he can get us to our ceiling at some point.
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I think he's already hit the ceiling at 10 wins but its tough to say that that really is the ceiling. By my math, not counting 2020, PJ's teams average 7.25 regular season wins. 2019 and its 10 wins seem to be an outlier although I'm no statistician and maybe 2019 isn't statistically significant. If we throw out 2019 (best season) and 2017 (worst), the win average falls to 6.83.

I don't count the bowl wins because we're talking about ceiling and presumably for most, that means making the CFP and in that scenario, only regular season wins matter. And if 2019 is an outlier (and really, the monumental changes in NIL and House that have occurred since then really make 2019 an outlier), it seems like the ceiling might be 8 or 9 wins. Unless and until there's a big influx of NIL into the program, it seems like we are entrenched solidly in the middle of the B1G, maybe the half of the middle third.
 


The Deliberate Stranger said:
Drake still going to get $2.4 million next year so he's fine but the source on that is as solid as it gets.
I can tell you why Jair Abasiri decommitted and how Evan Hull visit in 2018 went too if you want to put PJ in a bad light. Not all sunshine and rainbows over here.
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Please, stop. You are just making sh*t up.
 

swede2 said:
I think he's already hit the ceiling at 10 wins but its tough to say that that really is the ceiling. By my math, not counting 2020, PJ's teams average 7.25 regular season wins. 2019 and its 10 wins seem to be an outlier although I'm no statistician and maybe 2019 isn't statistically significant. If we throw out 2019 (best season) and 2017 (worst), the win average falls to 6.83.

I don't count the bowl wins because we're talking about ceiling and presumably for most, that means making the CFP and in that scenario, only regular season wins matter. And if 2019 is an outlier (and really, the monumental changes in NIL and House that have occurred since then really make 2019 an outlier), it seems like the ceiling might be 8 or 9 wins. Unless and until there's a big influx of NIL into the program, it seems like we are entrenched solidly in the middle of the B1G, maybe the half of the middle third.
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Yeah.

Really need to make these 7-5s 8-4s
Need to make the 8-4s 9-3s

Need another 10-2


Gophers are like 1 games a year worse than people want over a stretch.



For context:
Claeys in two years was 8-4 and 5-7 (6.5)
Kill was 6.25 wins per year but only 8 conference games….also skewed by year one being 3.
Interim season 3-9
Brew 4.3 per year
Mason was 6.1 wins per year but some years only had 11 games.
But this isn’t eliminating the best/worst for each.


If in a 4 year stretch we could get 7.25 per year to 8.25 per year regular season people would probably be satisfied (unless it was 3 8-4 and 1 9-3)
 

swede2 said:
I think he's already hit the ceiling at 10 wins but its tough to say that that really is the ceiling. By my math, not counting 2020, PJ's teams average 7.25 regular season wins. 2019 and its 10 wins seem to be an outlier although I'm no statistician and maybe 2019 isn't statistically significant. If we throw out 2019 (best season) and 2017 (worst), the win average falls to 6.83.

I don't count the bowl wins because we're talking about ceiling and presumably for most, that means making the CFP and in that scenario, only regular season wins matter. And if 2019 is an outlier (and really, the monumental changes in NIL and House that have occurred since then really make 2019 an outlier), it seems like the ceiling might be 8 or 9 wins. Unless and until there's a big influx of NIL into the program, it seems like we are entrenched solidly in the middle of the B1G, maybe the half of the middle third.
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20 wins may be the ceiling, but we should be hitting that 9 - 10 range more often. Each year we seem to lose a couple winnable games. If Fleck can fix that, we’ll move up a tier in the B1G.
 

USAF said:
LOL.
You know none of this.
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NIL numbers is such a landscape of BS.

I don't know how to validate any numbers but let's say we believe all these rumors .... if it cost Nebraska 2.5 to pick up Raiola who was the equivalent of a top free agent ... then I don't believe for a second that Drake, who lead Minnesota to second to second to last in offensive output this year ... is commanding that much.
 
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NotAFanOfBecky said:
Ok I’ll play…I’d like to hear more of some
of the insider dirt. I have some connections to
some boosters who say our NIL is not bottom of the barrel as many believe, more like upper mid in the conference. Is that enough? Don’t know, I also know Brosmer didn’t get that. My sources told me 50k last year is what got him, that seems a lot more believable. These numbers thrown around seem crazy.

I do know Fleck has played the transfer portal pretty well and overall a net positive. I think this year he has some more misses than usual but still wasn’t bad. I also think his recruiting has gotten better (but so has the rest of the conference). Can he get this team to the playoffs? I think he might be able to if things fall right but that’s my opinion. He needs to keep some assistants especially the young up and comers and get more money for his assistants so we don’t lose the Winston’s and the Heatherman’s of the world. Please upgrade this offense!
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Brosmer played before rev share money was available. I have no clue how much Drake is making, but definitely think that number is possible. Smith coming back is a big tell that we have decent money to offer. I think every HS recruit that signs gets more than 50k now.
 

LeftofThaDial said:
Brosmer played before rev share money was available. I have no clue how much Drake is making, but definitely think that number is possible. Smith coming back is a big tell that we have decent money to offer. I think every HS recruit that signs gets more than 50k now.
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50k to red shirt? 😂
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
NIL numbers is such a landscape of BS.

I don't know how to validate any numbers but let's say we believe all these rumors .... if it cost Nebraska 2.5 to pick up Raiola who was the equivalent of a top free agent ... then I don't believe for a second that Drake, who lead Minnesota to second to second to last in offensive output this year ... is commanding that much.
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So...is that fourth to last? JK ;)
 




LeftofThaDial said:
You realize they have over 15 million in revenue sharing to spend on the roster correct?
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Right. House Settlement says Universities can share up to $20.5M in revenues with student athletes. Coyne says Gophers are allocating House Settlement cash to Football, mens' and women's basketball, and mens' hockey and women's volleyball. Supposed allocation to Football is about 75%, or at least $15M. If you spread $15M over every one of the 105 players on the roster, you get an average pay of just under $143K per player. If base pay for every player on the 105 person roster is set at, say, $50,000, that would still leave $9.75M to spread among selected players as enhanced salary based on perceived value.

This House Settlement money is separate and distinct from NIL money. It is certainly mathematically possible that Drake is getting $2.4M in pay from the University (under the House Settlement) and that he could be receiving other NIL funds from boosters or a collective. Other players, such as Koi, and potential transfers such as UMD TE Dehnicke, are now negotiating in that marketplace.

Ohio State was rumored to have about $35M in NIL money pre-House settlement. Add $15M in House Settlement revenue sharing, putting OSU at $50M+, and the Gophers will still be at a significant, relative disadvantage to the Buckeyes. But the P4 schools, as a group---which has the most revenue to share--is fairly quickly pulling away from the rest of college football, at least in terms of player pay,
 

LeftofThaDial said:
You realize they have over 15 million in revenue sharing to spend on the roster correct?
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I thought FB was getting 70% even though FB accounts for 75% of department revenue? Also, increased scholarships over existing 83 (up to 105) come out of revenue sharing. So really, the amount is $14 million for FB less the cost of any additional scholarships, Alston, etc beyond 83.
 

Some guy said:
Yeah.

Really need to make these 7-5s 8-4s
Need to make the 8-4s 9-3s

Need another 10-2


Gophers are like 1 games a year worse than people want over a stretch.



For context:
Claeys in two years was 8-4 and 5-7 (6.5)
Kill was 6.25 wins per year but only 8 conference games….also skewed by year one being 3.
Interim season 3-9
Brew 4.3 per year
Mason was 6.1 wins per year but some years only had 11 games.
But this isn’t eliminating the best/worst for each.


If in a 4 year stretch we could get 7.25 per year to 8.25 per year regular season people would probably be satisfied (unless it was 3 8-4 and 1 9-3)
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Averaging a win more per year would seem to make an occasional outlier 10 win season, and a CFP birth, much more likely and achievable. As it is, it seems like an outlier 9 wins is probably as much as can be hoped for, and even then a stretch. Maybe revenue sharing will level the field more than we think
 

swede2 said:
I think he's already hit the ceiling at 10 wins but its tough to say that that really is the ceiling. By my math, not counting 2020, PJ's teams average 7.25 regular season wins. 2019 and its 10 wins seem to be an outlier although I'm no statistician and maybe 2019 isn't statistically significant. If we throw out 2019 (best season) and 2017 (worst), the win average falls to 6.83.

I don't count the bowl wins because we're talking about ceiling and presumably for most, that means making the CFP and in that scenario, only regular season wins matter. And if 2019 is an outlier (and really, the monumental changes in NIL and House that have occurred since then really make 2019 an outlier), it seems like the ceiling might be 8 or 9 wins. Unless and until there's a big influx of NIL into the program, it seems like we are entrenched solidly in the middle of the B1G, maybe the half of the middle third.
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I think that's a realistic analysis.
 


Gophergrandpa said:
Right. House Settlement says Universities can share up to $20.5M in revenues with student athletes. Coyne says Gophers are allocating House Settlement cash to Football, mens' and women's basketball, and mens' hockey and women's volleyball. Supposed allocation to Football is about 75%, or at least $15M. If you spread $15M over every one of the 105 players on the roster, you get an average pay of just under $143K per player. If base pay for every player on the 105 person roster is set at, say, $50,000, that would still leave $9.75M to spread among selected players as enhanced salary based on perceived value.

This House Settlement money is separate and distinct from NIL money. It is certainly mathematically possible that Drake is getting $2.4M in pay from the University (under the House Settlement) and that he could be receiving other NIL funds from boosters or a collective. Other players, such as Koi, and potential transfers such as UMD TE Dehnicke, are now negotiating in that marketplace.

Ohio State was rumored to have about $35M in NIL money pre-House settlement. Add $15M in House Settlement revenue sharing, putting OSU at $50M+, and the Gophers will still be at a significant, relative disadvantage to the Buckeyes. But the P4 schools, as a group---which has the most revenue to share--is fairly quickly pulling away from the rest of college football, at least in terms of player pay,
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Let's get some FOIA filed and see some real documentation! :)

STrib and PP, do your jobs
 

swede2 said:
I thought FB was getting 70% even though FB accounts for 75% of department revenue? Also, increased scholarships over existing 83 (up to 105) come out of revenue sharing. So really, the amount is $14 million for FB less the cost of any additional scholarships, Alston, etc beyond 83.
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Thought I read that SEC schools said they were not going to increase scholarships beyond 85.

As I assume you already understand, there is no mandate to increase scholarships to every player on the roster. Rather, you can give one to every player on the roster, if you want.
 

swede2 said:
Averaging a win more per year would seem to make an occasional outlier 10 win season, and a CFP birth, much more likely and achievable. As it is, it seems like an outlier 9 wins is probably as much as can be hoped for, and even then a stretch. Maybe revenue sharing will level the field more than we think
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It's pretty hard to reason about it going forward because the Big Ten West over the 2021-2023 seasons was so weak.
 


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