2025 Minnesota High School Football Thread

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prespsguy said:
Not skill based. All things a high school kid can learn.
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Then how are these private coaches and these "development" centers, or whatever you want to call them, so profitable?

There are plenty of skills to learn, and to practice, at every position.
 


GopherGrit said:
Then how are these private coaches and these "development" centers, or whatever you want to call them, so profitable?

There are plenty of skills to learn, and to practice, at every position.
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I think we’re missing the overall point here. Yes football has a skill set. Yes, those skills can be developed and any high school program would prefer their kids play youth. But, the point is that kids do not need to be a part of all star teams in football in order to be successful in high school.
 

prespsguy said:
I think we’re missing the overall point here. Yes football has a skill set. Yes, those skills can be developed and any high school program would prefer their kids play youth. But, the point is that kids do not need to be a part of all star teams in football in order to be successful in high school.
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I think the real point is why come on a football forum and start a conversation saying that football requires less skill than other sports? Odd way to try make some strange point. Football and any other sport for that matter all require skill obviously. All of the skills for any sport are taught. There are some kids that have a knack to hit, but without someone to show them they would never really be good at it, or a shooter, or a skater in hockey. All of them different and yet they all have skill that others can't master.
 




Ranger692 said:
I think the real point is why come on a football forum and start a conversation saying that football requires less skill than other sports? Odd way to try make some strange point. Football and any other sport for that matter all require skill obviously. All of the skills for any sport are taught. There are some kids that have a knack to hit, but without someone to show them they would never really be good at it, or a shooter, or a skater in hockey. All of them different and yet they all have skill that others can't master.
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I'm on Ranger's side. I think there are sports other than football that require much more skill. All sports require skill. No debating that. As a basketball coach, I cannot be convinced that there is more skill required to play football than basketball. You can be a really good football player by being a better athlete than everyone else. If you can't shoot/ dribble/ pass, you might be the best athlete on the court but will not be the best player. Baseball is the same way. If you're a really good athlete, you can play somewhere on the football field. You might find it difficult to find a place in the lineup being a really good athlete with no skill at any baseball position.

EDIT: I'm pretty equally on both the football and basketball forums, at least in my own opinion.
 

State of Football said:
Brackets revealed Thursday around 10 am. Every one seed is still in play it looks like except for Forest Lake.
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MG v Minnetonka winner is 1 seed.
Lakeville South v Rosemount winner is 1 seed.

Centennial is #1 seed H2H over Champlin. Centennial plays 0-7 Anoka and Champlin plays 4-3 Osseo. Both lose and Andover beats Blaine and it’s a 4way tie with Centennial, Champlin, Andover and Osseo at 5-2 in Section play.
 



Hucklebearer said:
The unusual thing about this year is it’s not very linear, more A beat B and B beat C and C beat A than it seems like normally happens.
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There is more parity than usual.
Nobody has the depth of the years before Covid

Tonka was a clear number two all year, just lost to 3 loss Edina
Forest lake was unbeaten, just lost to 4 loss Moundsview
I thought shakopee could be the top of the second tier…they are now 4-3
Centennial lost to Andover. Andover lost to 4-3 Osseo and gave up 61 while beating 0-7 Anoka.

Lakeville north is 1-6
Lost to 4-3 Blaine by 7
4-3 farmington by 4
6-1 south by 16
6-1 Champlin by 13

The only thing that has held to form this year is the maroon.
The maroon is 0-19 by an average score of 36-8 against non maroon.
40% of the points maroon scored against non maroon were week 1.
 

Some guy said:
There is more parity than usual.
Nobody has the depth of the years before Covid

Tonka was a clear number two all year, just lost to 3 loss Edina
Forest lake was unbeaten, just lost to 4 loss Moundsview
I thought shakopee could be the top of the second tier…they are now 4-3
Centennial lost to Andover. Andover lost to 4-3 Osseo and gave up 61 while beating 0-7 Anoka.

Lakeville north is 1-6
Lost to 4-3 Blaine by 7
4-3 farmington by 4
6-1 south by 16
6-1 Champlin by 13

The only thing that has held to form this year is the maroon.
The maroon is 0-19 by an average score of 36-8 against non maroon.
40% of the points maroon scored against non maroon were week 1.
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Maroon are the relief teams?
 


Some guy said:
There is more parity than usual.
Nobody has the depth of the years before Covid

Tonka was a clear number two all year, just lost to 3 loss Edina
Forest lake was unbeaten, just lost to 4 loss Moundsview
I thought shakopee could be the top of the second tier…they are now 4-3
Centennial lost to Andover. Andover lost to 4-3 Osseo and gave up 61 while beating 0-7 Anoka.

Lakeville north is 1-6
Lost to 4-3 Blaine by 7
4-3 farmington by 4
6-1 south by 16
6-1 Champlin by 13

The only thing that has held to form this year is the maroon.
The maroon is 0-19 by an average score of 36-8 against non maroon.
40% of the points maroon scored against non maroon were week 1.
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Maple Grove is the clear favorite but if they slip up at all it feels wide open after them.
 




MaxyJR1 said:
If Minnetonka QB is able to come back and play, moving the D1 RB back to RB, they can beat MG.
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I know he has been out for a while.....any guess on if he will be back before the end of the season?
 

disco said:
Maroon are the relief teams?
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Hopkins is 4-0
Eastview is 2-1
Coon Rapids 1-2
Roseville 1-2
Park 0-3

Coon Rapids plays Roseville this week and Eastview plays Park. Average margin of victory in 8 district games is 10.25, with 50% being 1 score games.
 


MaxyJR1 said:
Hopkins is 4-0
Eastview is 2-1
Coon Rapids 1-2
Roseville 1-2
Park 0-3

Coon Rapids plays Roseville this week and Eastview plays Park. Average margin of victory in 8 district games is 10.25, with 50% being 1 score games.
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It’s good for matchups. It’s good for the program short term but I think it actually grows the gap every year you’re in it.
Osseo chose to not join the last 3 years. I think if they had joined they’d have more wins but be in a worse spot
 

MNVCGUY said:
I know he has been out for a while.....any guess on if he will be back before the end of the season?
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I’m pretty certain he’s out for the season. Thankfully he’s only a junior, so he’ll get another shot to play.
 

Well class 4A is a very interesting class this year. Nobody really standing out as the clear top dog, IMO.

#1-Byron 7-0
Key wins: Stewartville (27-26), K-M (34-20), Holy Angels (42-12), Hill Murray (42-6)

#2- Marshall 7-0
Key Wins: Rocori (28-0), Fergus Falls (27-14)

#3- Rocori 6-1
Key Wins: Fergus Falls (34-12)

#4- Hill Murray 6-1
Key Wins: SSP (35-14)

#5-Grand Rapids 6-1
Key Wins: North Branch (40-8), Hermantown (34-20)

#6- K-M 6-1
Key Wins: Stewartville (21-18)

#7- Stewartville 5-2
Key wins: No great wins but played K-M & Byron tough.

#8- Holy Angels 6-1
Key wins: SMB (39-26), BSM (14-6)

#9 - SSP 6-1
No good wins, soft schedule

#10- North Branch 6-1
Key wins: Two Harbors (22-10)


Also, keep an eye on Hutchinson, they seem to have found out how to run their power run game with the smaller line they have this year. They could be a sleeper team going into the playoffs. They already played Rocori very tough earlier in the year as well.
 

mcrow47 said:
Well class 4A is a very interesting class this year. Nobody really standing out as the clear top dog, IMO.

#1-Byron 7-0
Key wins: Stewartville (27-26), K-M (34-20), Holy Angels (42-12), Hill Murray (42-6)

#2- Marshall 7-0
Key Wins: Rocori (28-0), Fergus Falls (27-14)

#3- Rocori 6-1
Key Wins: Fergus Falls (34-12)

#4- Hill Murray 6-1
Key Wins: SSP (35-14)

#5-Grand Rapids 6-1
Key Wins: North Branch (40-8), Hermantown (34-20)

#6- K-M 6-1
Key Wins: Stewartville (21-18)

#7- Stewartville 5-2
Key wins: No great wins but played K-M & Byron tough.

#8- Holy Angels 6-1
Key wins: SMB (39-26), BSM (14-6)

#9 - SSP 6-1
No good wins, soft schedule

#10- North Branch 6-1
Key wins: Two Harbors (22-10)


Also, keep an eye on Hutchinson, they seem to have found out how to run their power run game with the smaller line they have this year. They could be a sleeper team going into the playoffs. They already played Rocori very tough earlier in the year as well.
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I think the winner of Section1 of Byron, KM and Stewartville and Section 2 Marshall are the clear favorites to win it. Byron be Stewartville on the last play of the game Saturday.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
I think the winner of Section1 of Byron, KM and Stewartville and Section 2 Marshall are the clear favorites to win it. Byron be Stewartville on the last play of the game Saturday.
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Yeah, I would say that's accurate but I'm not so confident in Marshall. They looked pretty good so far but Rocori, Hutch, and WIllmar all look much better now than they did earlier in the season. Then St. Peter has looked solid but mostly against AAA schools.

I would not be surprised one bit of Marshall gets knocked off. And then section 1 looks like three teams have a legit chance too. Just seems like a lot more uncertainty among the top 3 or so teams this year than most years.
 

5A has a ton of cross over games this week as most sections are done with their round robin district games. There are only 6 teams in 5A with fewer than 2 losses.

Mahtomedi is at St. Thomas Academy on Wednesday. Both are #1 is sections but H2H could mean #1 seed for State for winner, if they advance.

4A has 11 teams with fewer than 2 losses. Section 1 and 2 have 5 of the 11 teams.
 

Some guy said:
There is more parity than usual.
Nobody has the depth of the years before Covid

Tonka was a clear number two all year, just lost to 3 loss Edina
Forest lake was unbeaten, just lost to 4 loss Moundsview
I thought shakopee could be the top of the second tier…they are now 4-3
Centennial lost to Andover. Andover lost to 4-3 Osseo and gave up 61 while beating 0-7 Anoka.

Lakeville north is 1-6
Lost to 4-3 Blaine by 7
4-3 farmington by 4
6-1 south by 16
6-1 Champlin by 13

The only thing that has held to form this year is the maroon.
The maroon is 0-19 by an average score of 36-8 against non maroon.
40% of the points maroon scored against non maroon were week 1.
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What has stood out to me most in watching HS games this year (in the south metro, specifically) is how little high-end talent there is. I watched Centennial play Rosemount in week 1 and both teams seemed to be very average to me. Some nice players, but no studs. I had no idea i was watching two top 10 teams at the time. If they're both top 10 (and their records would say they are) then....wow.
 

tpbeight said:
What has stood out to me most in watching HS games this year (in the south metro, specifically) is how little high-end talent there is. I watched Centennial play Rosemount in week 1 and both teams seemed to be very average to me. Some nice players, but no studs. I had no idea i was watching two top 10 teams at the time. If they're both top 10 (and their records would say they are) then....wow.
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That is what I'm seeing in class 4A too. Even the top 5 teams don't seem to be as loaded as usual.
 

tpbeight said:
What has stood out to me most in watching HS games this year (in the south metro, specifically) is how little high-end talent there is. I watched Centennial play Rosemount in week 1 and both teams seemed to be very average to me. Some nice players, but no studs. I had no idea i was watching two top 10 teams at the time. If they're both top 10 (and their records would say they are) then....wow.
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This is honestly nothing new. There are very few truly impressive football players in this state.

If you have one or two elite players you can dominate in Minnesota high school football because there just aren't many of those players out there.
 

tpbeight said:
What has stood out to me most in watching HS games this year (in the south metro, specifically) is how little high-end talent there is. I watched Centennial play Rosemount in week 1 and both teams seemed to be very average to me. Some nice players, but no studs. I had no idea i was watching two top 10 teams at the time. If they're both top 10 (and their records would say they are) then....wow.
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It's really hard to see people stick out when these teams play option football and sound defense. MG is clear #1 program in the state right now and their studs are all FCS talent.

Plus add to that the top 14 Composite players in MN are nearly all linemen.

Top two are athletes that play small out-state football and are dominating. They are projected at TE at P4 Level.
8 are OL/DL or TE
1 is a WR at Hopkins to likely play basketball
1 is a RB playing QB for Minnetonka right now
1 is QB leaving school after the semester to play hockey.

Best skill is at Moorhead, but they don't have the OL/DL to compete at championship level.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
It's really hard to see people stick out when these teams play option football and sound defense. MG is clear #1 program in the state right now and their studs are all FCS talent.

Plus add to that the top 14 Composite players in MN are nearly all linemen.

Top two are athletes that play small out-state football and are dominating. They are projected at TE at P4 Level.
8 are OL/DL or TE
1 is a WR at Hopkins to likely play basketball
1 is a RB playing QB for Minnetonka right now
1 is QB leaving school after the semester to play hockey.

Best skill is at Moorhead, but they don't have the OL/DL to compete at championship level.
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Yup, that is the issue in MN. I think usually our highest level recruits tend to be lineman. 8 of the top 15 for 2026, 7 for 2025, 9 in 2024.
 

mcrow47 said:
That is what I'm seeing in class 4A too. Even the top 5 teams don't seem to be as loaded as usual.
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My HM team is better than usual but not a threat to win it. Very young team though. Pretty sure I saw the QB is a freshman. Watch them the next few years. Byron sure took it to them earlier in the year.
 

tpbeight said:
What has stood out to me most in watching HS games this year (in the south metro, specifically) is how little high-end talent there is. I watched Centennial play Rosemount in week 1 and both teams seemed to be very average to me. Some nice players, but no studs. I had no idea i was watching two top 10 teams at the time. If they're both top 10 (and their records would say they are) then....wow.
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I think Rosemount has some really good backs and is better now than the beginning of the year

Rosemount took a minute. Coming off 1-8 (where they lost like 6 games by 7 or less).
Now they’re playing well and seem the most healthy.

But I agree. lines and linebackers as good as usual. Wideouts and backs not nearly as much talent as most years
 

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