Brosmer in Vikings Game

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Some Day...Maybe said:
Patrick Mahomes played 2 full seasons in college at Texas Tech. In his last season his team's defense gave up an average of 43.5 points per game, and that included 3 cupcakes.

Josh Allen played 2 seasons at Wyoming. His last season they went 8-3 in games he played with losses to Oregon, at Iowa, and at Boise St.
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All accurate, I guess my point is there are tons of borderline NFL QBs, which Brosmer is at this point, that lost plenty of games in college. It really doesn’t mean a lot.
 


GopherGrit said:
So, sorry not to derail the thread too much, but .....

if Brosmer is this high level of a talent -- and good on whichever of the Gopher coaching staff found him and/or green lit him coming here -- ..... then how did we lose at home to North Carolina, a team we had no business losing to, and get blown out at home in the 2nd half vs Iowa?

After that (first half of Michigan was bad too, but after that the light switch flipped) was much better.


What happened?? We had a NFL QB on our roster, but still struggled those two games? Why?

Even if we win just the UNC game, that might have been enough to have a significantly higher rated bowl last year, wouldn't it?
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First game on a new team. And the team lost by two points. There were two missed field goals. And Brosmer improved as the year went on and the team meshed.

Anyways......where is this "high level" talent narrative coming from? He's an accurate quarterback that generally makes good decisions. But we're talking about a guy who went undrafted and may make the team as the third string quarterback. Nobody is seriously talking about him developing into a starting NFL quarterback at this point.....so it's weird to be poking holes due to a few tough games.
 


GopherGrit said:
So, sorry not to derail the thread too much, but .....

if Brosmer is this high level of a talent -- and good on whichever of the Gopher coaching staff found him and/or green lit him coming here -- ..... then how did we lose at home to North Carolina, a team we had no business losing to, and get blown out at home in the 2nd half vs Iowa?

After that (first half of Michigan was bad too, but after that the light switch flipped) was much better.


What happened?? We had a NFL QB on our roster, but still struggled those two games? Why?

Even if we win just the UNC game, that might have been enough to have a significantly higher rated bowl last year, wouldn't it?
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He just had a few jitters totally expected. I think it’s been said on here many times if we played them game five or eight or 10 we beat them by multiple scores.
 



Gophers1992 said:
All accurate, I guess my point is there are tons of borderline NFL QBs, which Brosmer is at this point, that lost plenty of games in college. It really doesn’t mean a lot.
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Yeah judging a QB by wins vs losses alone is like judging a pitcher by their wins vs losses alone ... not many people do that, for good reason.
 

Teams win and lose games.

Everyone has to stop buying into the media's spin that QBs are responsible for the outcome of games or the Super Bowl titles are necessary and required to be great. Ultra dumb.
 






stocker08 said:
First game on a new team. And the team lost by two points. There were two missed field goals. And Brosmer improved as the year went on and the team meshed.

Anyways......where is this "high level" talent narrative coming from? He's an accurate quarterback that generally makes good decisions. But we're talking about a guy who went undrafted and may make the team as the third string quarterback. Nobody is seriously talking about him developing into a starting NFL quarterback at this point.....so it's weird to be poking holes due to a few tough games.
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Totally agree. Who here has said he’s a high end talent?
 

GopherGrit said:
So, sorry not to derail the thread too much, but .....

if Brosmer is this high level of a talent -- and good on whichever of the Gopher coaching staff found him and/or green lit him coming here -- ..... then how did we lose at home to North Carolina, a team we had no business losing to, and get blown out at home in the 2nd half vs Iowa?

After that (first half of Michigan was bad too, but after that the light switch flipped) was much better.


What happened?? We had a NFL QB on our roster, but still struggled those two games? Why?

Even if we win just the UNC game, that might have been enough to have a significantly higher rated bowl last year, wouldn't it?
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You shouldn’t drink so early in the day.
 



Before yesterday, I would have still said it was Rypien's job to lose at QB #3, only for the fact that McCown/KOC thought enough of Rypien to not only bring him in last season, but keep him into this season. That would have been tough to overcome.

Now? Seems pretty clear it's Brosmer's job to lose (the #3 gig).
 

gopherbadgerman said:
Totally agree. Who here has said he’s a high end talent?
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Nobody has used that descriptor that I've seen.

That said, how should we define 'high end talent'?

There are very few human beings who are currently listed as quarterbacks on NFL rosters. Even if Brosmer fails to make the 53 man squad, he's already accomplished something that's relatively rare, and can't be taken away from him. Compare him to hundreds of college quarterbacks who were or are eligible to move up to the NFL in 2025 and he is, in fact, 'high end', simply because he's still on the Vikings and is still hoping to make the final 53. The Vikings seem to believe that his talent is of a high enough level to offer him a pretty nice UDFA deal, and the team is investing a considerable amount of time and resources in him.

My point: what kind of curve are we using for evaluating what is or is not 'high end'?
 

Ogie Ogilthorpe said:
Before yesterday, I would have still said it was Rypien's job to lose at QB #3, only for the fact that McCown/KOC thought enough of Rypien to not only bring him in last season, but keep him into this season. That would have been tough to overcome.

Now? Seems pretty clear it's Brosmer's job to lose (the #3 gig).
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Some of the comments by KOC were pretty telling of Brosmer's understanding and command of the offense. Like, he's waaaaay ahead of where they would expect someone at his level to be. I'm glad to see him taking full advantage of it!
 


GopherGrit said:
So, sorry not to derail the thread too much, but .....

if Brosmer is this high level of a talent -- and good on whichever of the Gopher coaching staff found him and/or green lit him coming here -- ..... then how did we lose at home to North Carolina
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Because in wet conditions in the first game at the power 5 level the gophers lost by missing a field goal
GopherGrit said:
, a team we had no business losing to, and get blown out at home in the 2nd half vs Iowa?
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Because the defense couldn’t get off the field and the team only had a few possessions in the second half. On those possessions the OL got worked in an 11 on 11 game
GopherGrit said:
After that (first half of Michigan was bad too, but after that the light switch flipped) was much better.
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The gophers turned the ball over in their own territory and essentially gave Michigan a free touchdown. That Michigan team beat bama in a bowl game and beat the national champ in the last regular season game. The gophers made mistakes that cost the game
GopherGrit said:
What happened?? We had a NFL QB on our roster, but still struggled those two games? Why?
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Because those were games against top 30 teams in the country and in an 11 on 11 game the 5 OL matters sometimes too
GopherGrit said:
Even if we win just the UNC game, that might have been enough to have a significantly higher rated bowl last year, wouldn't it?
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Yes? Winning is better.
Agreed
 

Max looked pretty good again. Little harder to tell because a lot of blitzing and worse OL play but I think he still looked pretty good given the situation.

I think I would be more comfortable with him as the QB2 than Howell at this point. Not saying either is the best situation though.
 


I don't think anyone is going to seriously claim Max is a starting NFL QB or some sort of wunderkind, but I've been saying since around the Michigan game last year once they let him have more reign of the offense that he could absolutely have a Chase Daniels type of career at the next level. He clearly puts in the non-gameday work prep, has an eye for what the defense gives him, and does a good job adjusting. Those traits along with the ability to come off the bench and stay calm, lead the offense, and have the anticipation to make the necessary throws is what you need in a backup who is effectively a second set of eyes from the sideline, especially if you've got your franchise guy locked down or think you do.
 

HumbleStarscream said:
I don't think anyone is going to seriously claim Max is a starting NFL QB or some sort of wunderkind, but I've been saying since around the Michigan game last year once they let him have more reign of the offense that he could absolutely have a Chase Daniels type of career at the next level. He clearly puts in the non-gameday work prep, has an eye for what the defense gives him, and does a good job adjusting. Those traits along with the ability to come off the bench and stay calm, lead the offense, and have the anticipation to make the necessary throws is what you need in a backup who is effectively a second set of eyes from the sideline, especially if you've got your franchise guy locked down or think you do.
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A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
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I don't if I would go that far yet but I think I have seen enough that I think it's a possibility now. I could see him being one of those backups that gets hyped a lot and he's sitting behind JJ. Somebody really hard up for a QB a couple years from now might toss some picks at the Vikes for him and that's how he gets his shot.

He has a lot of things you like in a starter:
#1- Good enough arm
#2- throws with anticipation, not when WR become open.
#3- Accuracy is good
#4- He seems to have picked up the offense very well
#5- We know from his time with the Gophers he is a good leader
#6- He seems to read the field well
#7- Not a complete statute in the pocket

I think his ceiling is probably middle of the league starter if he hits his top end potential. But then it's the NFL, nobody is really looking for that guy that might be middle of the pack. So for a guy like that you need the right circumstances to happen so they get a shot and then they have to look good when they get that shot. So, while I like what I see he's still got a long road to see actual playing time.
 


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