Gophers Hartman: Gophers' Kill is underpaid and underappre

[Oregon Gopher]

Expectations are unrealistic if they include beating Wisconsin. If that is an unrealistic expectation you have concluded the ceiling under Jerry Kill has been reached. If that is the case Kill is neither under appreciated or underpaid.

You don't reimburse an upper level employee soley on what they've concretely accomplished- you also take what they've accomplished in relationship to their peers as well as their potential into consideration.

If you look at coaching hirings in the power 4 conferences ( sorry, I don't consider the ACC a power football conference- just personal opinion) there have been 156 hirings since the end of the 1991 season. 15 of those coaches are recent hirees with less than 3 years on the job. Of the other 141, only 27 were able to win at least 50% of conference games in their third year and 5 conference games in year 4. Of those 27, 14 were hired into already winning programs.

How can u not want to reward what he's accomplished and be optimistic about the squads potential?

 

[maxwellsmart]

I'm not sure you do actually.

I know what you mean, but I actually think he does. He's a game player having a great time bobbing and weaving while the rest of us try to pin him down. Let him play somewhere else.

 

[West Fargo Gopher Fan]

He was good this year. One year doesn't make him on par with the others that have had more success at a B1G school up to this point.

Good this year and all the other years at Minnesota building up the program. Also did the same at Northern Illinois and other colleges he has coached at. His peers know how good of a coach he is. Thats why they gave him coach of the year. Eventually if we don't give him a raise we will lose him because other schools will pay him more.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

A thought - a big part of Kill's image - and his appeal - is the "good guy" persona - the plucky underdog who cares about the players. If he has a good year in 2015, then bolts for a big payday at another school, that blows the whole image out of the water, and makes Kill look like just another money-grubbing job chaser. I don't see him leaving unless another school just makes an over-the top offer ($5mill/yr), or if the U renegs on its promise to improve facilities.

 

[Great Plains Gopher]

"If the Gophers administration wants to maintain attendance with the new announcement of rising season ticket prices over the next three years, which are outlandish, they better find a way to build a football facility and compensate Kill."

(Ticket prices outlandish)
I'm glad someone in the the Media is willing to say it. Thanks Sid

Yes, good for Sid for saying the new prices are outlandish - because they are.

 

[AEmerson40]

The university needs to do all it can to keep Jerry Kill here; the job he has done the past four years in taking one of the worst football programs in Division 1 to a place where we are a legitimate force in the Big Ten, play true Minnesota football (run the ball and play defense), and have a clean, academically excellent program is astounding.

Jerry Kill is perfect for this job for a variety of reasons and has earned our respect and trust as a Division 1 football coach, and whatever he wants within reason, he should get. Sid is right on.

 

[killme]

Good this year and all the other years at Minnesota building up the program. Also did the same at Northern Illinois and other colleges he has coached at. His peers know how good of a coach he is. Thats why they gave him coach of the year. Eventually if we don't give him a raise we will lose him because other schools will pay him more.

Minnesota needs to pay JK and his staff for all the things he's done and is doing that haven't been done for decades around here. Scools-acts-12-and-can't-spell is probably AJ, who is one of about a dozen folks in this state that don't think JK has done anything. But, I keep telling everyone the biggest problem is not salaries it's facilities. If JK doesn't get the resources to compete and win it all he will leave no matter how much salary dollars you offer.

 

[hungan1]

Minnesota needs to pay JK and his staff for all the things he's done and is doing that haven't been done for decades around here. Scools-acts-12-and-can't-spell is probably AJ, who is one of about a dozen folks in this state that don't think JK has done anything. But, I keep telling everyone the biggest problem is not salaries it's facilities. If JK doesn't get the resources to compete and win it all he will leave no matter how much salary dollars you offer.

+1

 

[Deleted_User]

Let the program work. Facilities are next and are closer to shovel ready sooner than most of you conceptualize. If you want championships, higher prices are necessary.

 

[Sparlimb]

^ Exhibit A for why our program has not risen to an elite level for decades.

If you want to play with the big boys, the Gophers are going to have to start acting like them. You get what you pay for.

Big Ten Coach of the Year = Underappreciated. Yeah right. Sid has been hitting the bottle again. There isn't one Gopher fan that isn't appreciative how much we've improved these last 4 years. And quit crying about stupid pay. Head coaches get bigger raises every year then we get paid in total. I'm not feeling sorry for poor Jer.

 

[GopherWeatherGuy]

Big Ten Coach of the Year = Underappreciated. Yeah right. Sid has been hitting the bottle again. There isn't one Gopher fan that isn't appreciative how much we've improved these last 4 years. And quit crying about stupid pay. Head coaches get bigger raises every year then we get paid in total. I'm not feeling sorry for poor Jer.

Really? No one is feeling sorry for Kill. But he deserves to get paid what the market dictates. Right now he's the 45th highest paid coach in college football. Do you think he's the 45th best coach in football? If you feel he's better than that, then he deserves a raise.

 

[Gopher Warrior]

This article is filled with lies. Absolute nonsense and incorrect "facts". Very sad.

 

[Doc Gopher]

I am a big Jerry Kill fan but I do believe that coaches get paid for what they have accomplished in the past. Has Kill done
what Kirk Ferentz has done? No. I think with the giant increase in ticket prices that the bar has been raised. 8-4 and 5-3
in the Big Ten might not be good enough for a lot of fans. Everyone now seems happy about the season and encouraged for
the future. I would caution that we were about 3 plays from being 5-7.

 

[GopherHomer]

I am a big Jerry Kill fan but I do believe that coaches get paid for what they have accomplished in the past. Has Kill done
what Kirk Ferentz has done? No. I think with the giant increase in ticket prices that the bar has been raised. 8-4 and 5-3
in the Big Ten might not be good enough for a lot of fans. Everyone now seems happy about the season and encouraged for
the future. I would caution that we were about 3 plays from being 5-7.

...and about 4 or 5 plays from being 11-1. Also, I would take 8-4 and 5-3 for the rest of my life if that option was given to me. Ohio St is probably the only B10 team that can expect to average better than that over the next 25 years.

 

[GreasyGopher]

I am a big Jerry Kill fan but I do believe that coaches get paid for what they have accomplished in the past. Has Kill done
what Kirk Ferentz has done? No. I think with the giant increase in ticket prices that the bar has been raised. 8-4 and 5-3
in the Big Ten might not be good enough for a lot of fans. Everyone now seems happy about the season and encouraged for
the future. I would caution that we were about 3 plays from being 5-7.

Yeah and FSU was 6 plays always from being .500. Do you think their fans are saying "but but guys take away 6 plays and FSU is .500? The plays were made and the Gophers won the games. End of story. No "caution" needed.

 

[Gopherguy0723]

This article is filled with lies. Absolute nonsense and incorrect "facts". Very sad.

That could be true. Do you care to actually point out the lies and and provide us with the truth backed by provable facts and evidence?

Remember when you were cryptically insinuating that Gaston Diedhiou was being forced out by Pitino and others because Pitino wanted better recruits to take his scholarship? We all sure do. Those insinuations were absurd.

You're simply not a credible person. Do you ever actually back up your assertions, or do you post cryptic conspiracies and call other reporters out without you ever actually posting the truth so others cannot actually call you a liar to your face when your conspiracies and insinuations don't pan out?

 

[gopherbadgerman]

...and about 4 or 5 plays from being 11-1. Also, I would take 8-4 and 5-3 for the rest of my life if that option was given to me. Ohio St is probably the only B10 team that can expect to average better than that over the next 25 years.

But also 4-5 plays from being 5-7, it goes both ways. Nebraska, Northwestern, and Purdue could have eaisly gone the other way. Bottom line is I would take 8-4, 5-3 every year as well. No issues as all.

 

[Rog]

We were lucky to get KILL. We should keep him at all costs. A good reason for the increased ticket prices.

I hope to see a statue of Kill someday (just like Alveraze at Wisky) on campus.

 

[GopherHomer]

But also 4-5 plays from being 5-7, it goes both ways. Nebraska, Northwestern, and Purdue could have eaisly gone the other way. Bottom line is I would take 8-4, 5-3 every year as well. No issues as all.

That was my point...we are in agreement. I only made the comment in response to poster that said we were 3 plays away from being 5-7. Bottom line is that every team in the country was 3-5 plays away from a very different season.

 

[Iceland12]

Minnesota needs to pay JK and his staff for all the things he's done and is doing that haven't been done for decades around here. Scools-acts-12-and-can't-spell is probably AJ, who is one of about a dozen folks in this state that don't think JK has done anything. But, I keep telling everyone the biggest problem is not salaries it's facilities. If JK doesn't get the resources to compete and win it all he will leave no matter how much salary dollars you offer.

Decade. He is doing something that hasn't been done for a decade, ok 11 years. Can't blame you for the hyperbole, you'd didn't even know the Gophers existed before Jerry blindsided NIU fans by bailing on them a few years back. They went 5-3 in the Big Ten in 1999, 2002 and 2003. They do have the the Jug and Floyd at the same time since 1986, so that would be "decades". Though they had the Axe and Floyd in 2003. That's something that Kill and Company haven't done yet. They also won 8, 8 and 10 games in '99, '02 and '03 respectively. Most of us are hoping they get to 9-4 this season. That would be a great year and it would break a Gopher bowl losing streak and Jerry's current record of being 0-4 in Bowl Games.

Yes, Kill could leave. He's done it 3 or 4 times already. Moved on up the Coaching/School/Conference ladder. Kudos and good for him. He can leave for whatever reasons, money, facilities, health, playing in front of stadiums with 80,000 people rather that 52k or or maybe 40,000 etc.

Unlike yourself, not hoping for it, but thanks for reminding us that it could happen.

 

[Sparlimb]

Really? No one is feeling sorry for Kill. But he deserves to get paid what the market dictates. Right now he's the 45th highest paid coach in college football. Do you think he's the 45th best coach in football? If you feel he's better than that, then he deserves a raise.

And the question is, does the large increase in ticket prices pay Kill a larger salary or build facilities? Because right now it can't do both. I think we build the facilities and then give big raises once we're through that.

 

[Iceland12]

Decade. He is doing something that hasn't been done for a decade, ok 11 years. Can't blame you for the hyperbole, you'd didn't even know the Gophers existed before Jerry blindsided NIU fans by bailing on them a few years back. They went 5-3 in the Big Ten in 1999, 2002 and 2003. They do have the the Jug and Floyd at the same time since 1986, so that would be "decades". Though they had the Axe and Floyd in 2003. That's something that Kill and Company haven't done yet. They also won 8, 8 and 10 games in '99, '02 and '03 respectively. Most of us are hoping they get to 9-4 this season. That would be a great year and it would break a Gopher bowl losing streak and Jerry's current record of being 0-4 in Bowl Games.

Yes, Kill could leave. He's done it 3 or 4 times already. Moved on up the Coaching/School/Conference ladder. Kudos and good for him. He can leave for whatever reasons, money, facilities, health, playing in front of stadiums with 80,000 people rather that 52k or or maybe 40,000 etc.

Unlike yourself, not hoping for it, but thanks for reminding us that it could happen.

The Gophers Conference record ties them for 4th overall in the Big Ten. Something they did in 1999, 2000 and 2003.

 

[Iceland12]

And the question is, does the large increase in ticket prices pay Kill a larger salary or build facilities? Because right now it can't do both. I think we build the facilities and then give big raises once we're through that.

Neither, it pays for Scholarship costs and facilities "upkeep"? Teague has been emphatic that none of the money is going to the $190 million.

 

[killme]

This article is filled with lies. Absolute nonsense and incorrect "facts". Very sad.

And, ironically, you didn't write it. Haven't read it, but assume there's more truth in it than you generally spew.

 

[killme]

I am a big Jerry Kill fan but I do believe that coaches get paid for what they have accomplished in the past. Has Kill done
what Kirk Ferentz has done? No. I think with the giant increase in ticket prices that the bar has been raised. 8-4 and 5-3
in the Big Ten might not be good enough for a lot of fans. Everyone now seems happy about the season and encouraged for
the future. I would caution that we were about 3 plays from being 5-7.

And a couple from being 10-2 and playing in the B1G championship game. JK has done things not done here in 50 years. Raise the bar all you want. Give him some crappy facilities, a state among the lowest in producing FBS players, and a glass-half-empty fan base and he'll take the Gophers to some pretty incredible things. My caution is to not realize what Sid is saying and under-appreciate Kill and his staff and you might get a chance to "appreciate" the next one.

 

[Sparlimb]

And a couple from being 10-2 and playing in the B1G championship game. JK has done things not done here in 50 years. Raise the bar all you want. Give him some crappy facilities, a state among the lowest in producing FBS players, and a glass-half-empty fan base and he'll take the Gophers to some pretty incredible things. My caution is to not realize what Sid is saying and under-appreciate Kill and his staff and you might get a chance to "appreciate" the next one.

JK has matched Mason's success. Period. He may very well exceed it (and clearly we all want him to), but he hasn't passed that ceiling. It is okay here to be patient.

 

[killme]

Decade. He is doing something that hasn't been done for a decade, ok 11 years. Can't blame you for the hyperbole, you'd didn't even know the Gophers existed before Jerry blindsided NIU fans by bailing on them a few years back. They went 5-3 in the Big Ten in 1999, 2002 and 2003. They do have the the Jug and Floyd at the same time since 1986, so that would be "decades". Though they had the Axe and Floyd in 2003. That's something that Kill and Company haven't done yet. They also won 8, 8 and 10 games in '99, '02 and '03 respectively. Most of us are hoping they get to 9-4 this season. That would be a great year and it would break a Gopher bowl losing streak and Jerry's current record of being 0-4 in Bowl Games.

Yes, Kill could leave. He's done it 3 or 4 times already. Moved on up the Coaching/School/Conference ladder. Kudos and good for him. He can leave for whatever reasons, money, facilities, health, playing in front of stadiums with 80,000 people rather that 52k or or maybe 40,000 etc.

Unlike yourself, not hoping for it, but thanks for reminding us that it could happen.

Here we go again... I can't control where I was born. I did know Minnesota existed before JK took the job. It's a B1G school. I knew the Gophers had pulled off some nice upsets over the years, but couldn't have told you when they last won a B1G title, which I now can tell you. Turns out it's been a downtrodden program pretty much all of my life with a few nice Mason years sprinkled in.

Most of your post sounds like you think Kill did evil in coming here. Nice. Bailed on NIU? What an odd thing to say. You seem to dislike me because I'm a loyal fan of Jerry Kill and will remain so until he retires. As long as he's at Minnesota, I'll pulling for the Gophers as much as any fan ever has or ever will. If that bothers you, I guess you're entitled to feel that way. If Kill leaves, like my adopted fondness for SIU and NIU, some good feelings for Minnesota would remain...in spite of fans like you.

My wish is for him to stay here, but if the University of Minnesota and it's football fans aren't interested in winning a national championship and continue to expect Hoosiers movies to break out here, then he may very well move on if the right opportunity comes along. I've said many times it's not about the money and salaries. Giving him another $1M isn't going to buy off his desire to not get beat by Wisconsin and OSU.

 

[lakesgopher]

Here we go again... I can't control where I was born. I did know Minnesota existed before JK took the job. It's a B1G school. I knew the Gophers had pulled off some nice upsets over the years, but couldn't have told you when they last won a B1G title, which I now can tell you. Turns out it's been a downtrodden program pretty much all of my life with a few nice Mason years sprinkled in.

Most of your post sounds like you think Kill did evil in coming here. Nice. Bailed on NIU? What an odd thing to say. You seem to dislike me because I'm a loyal fan of Jerry Kill and will remain so until he retires. As long as he's at Minnesota, I'll pulling for the Gophers as much as any fan ever has or ever will. If that bothers you, I guess you're entitled to feel that way. If Kill leaves, like my adopted fondness for SIU and NIU, some good feelings for Minnesota would remain...in spite of fans like you.

My wish is for him to stay here, but if the University of Minnesota and it's football fans aren't interested in winning a national championship and continue to expect Hoosiers movies to break out here, then he may very well move on if the right opportunity comes along. I've said many times it's not about the money and salaries. Giving him another $1M isn't going to buy off his desire to not get beat by Wisconsin and OSU.

So you're not a Gopher fan...go away

 

[Iceland12]

Here we go again... .

Yeah, that's what many of us felt when you went from "Minnesota needs to pay JK and his staff for all the things he's done and is doing that haven't been done for decades around here" to "JK has done things not done here in 50 years."

Both completely wrong and in the second case you knew it was a flat-out lie. Incredible. Oh, and yes, I threw in how he left NIU to irritate you. As for the rest of your post, pointless, except for this: "As long as he's at Minnesota, I'll pulling for the Gophers as much as any fan ever has or ever will." Now that says it all.

 

[watertown 1987 guy n]

Sid, Jerry Kill is NOT under appreciated! Yes, probably under paid.

Sid, you idiot. Being appreciated and paid the going rate are two different things.

To suggest Coach Kill is not appreciated is idiotic. Pretty much Every Gopher football fan in MN wants and hopes JK is MN's football coach for the next ten years. I can't think of one sports person in the state that is more appreciated and liked than Coach Kill! we all know he has made a piece of MN sports relevant again.

When comes to compensation there are two types of people in the world, 1) those that view their value based on what they are paid, and 2) those that view their value on what they accomplish (it's about the path) and in turn want to be fairly paid. My guess is JK is the second, we need to compensate him based on how much we value his work and potential for future accomplishment.