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It seems to me Purdue's coaching staff made a huge blunder towards the end of the game. Down 1 point with just over two minutes left, one time out left on the board and the Maroon n Gold in Purdue territory, I would have told my defense to immediately let the Gophers score when Cobb runs the ball.

That would set up an interesting situation. First, did Kill have the foresight to tell Cobb and Company to not run into the end zone. If not, would Kill have gone for two points on the conversion to go up by 9?

If not, Purdue would've been down 8 with just under 2 minutes left, one time out, and Minnesota kicking off. That would've given them the best chance to force a tie game and head into overtime.

Sitting in stands, going absolutely bonkers with excitement, I turned to my wife and told her Purdue should let us score a touchdown. She looked at me with question marks in her eyes wondering what the hell I was talking about. A couple minutes later, she taps me on the shoulder and says: "oh, now I get it".

What do you guys think? Would that have been the right coaching move?
 

I would hope the Gophers coaching staff has gone through a scenario like this. The proper move is to gain enough yardage for a first down, then fall down. Game over. It wasn't a coaching blunder at all.
 

It's a really good strategy until you give up a first down, the gopher falls down, and you look like an idiot for not even contesting the game winning first down
 

The announcers thought they should, but few coaches actually do this. Besides, all Cobb would have had to do would be to kneel down after getting the first down.
 

Absolutely not.

A defensive stop, a few plays, and a long field goal are a hell of a lot easier than hoping that the Gophers don't go for two, driving down the field, scoring a touchdown, and running a successful two point conversion yourself.
 


This assumes the Gophers are poorly coached and don't have a say in how the game ends.
 

CWCWCW said:
I would hope the Gophers coaching staff has gone through a scenario like this. The proper move is to gain enough yardage for a first down, then fall down. Game over. It wasn't a coaching blunder at all.
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Do me a favor cause I'm dying to know. Will you get ahold of someone on the Gopher coaching staff (preferably Jerry himself) and ask them whether they had told our Heisman-worthy-of-consideration running back Mr. Cobb to stay out of the end zone in the event this scenario happened? It's incredibly interesting to me but I have no connections with the Gopher team. I really, really want to know if they prepare for this. It's just fun to think about. I've got nothing better to do with my brain cells unfortunately.
 

I don't know if they prepare for this, but at the end of the Northwestern game, when Damarius Travis intercepted the pass, it looked like he intentionally went down rather than falling. It's always tempting to try to being it back for a TD, but until the play ends, there is always the possibility of a fumble and miracle score for the opponent. Going to the ground is a very unselfish thing to do.
 

If the offense is thinking at all, this blows up in your face as the Gophs get the first down and then sit on it. If you want to bank on the other other offense being brain dead rather than relying on your defense to get the stop, sure, give it a go.
 



CWCWCW said:
I would hope the Gophers coaching staff has gone through a scenario like this. The proper move is to gain enough yardage for a first down, then fall down. Game over. It wasn't a coaching blunder at all.
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Wrong. The proper move is to get all the way down to the one yard to pad his stats, then fall down. :p
 

If we think of it on GH so did the coaches.
 


I've seen that happen several times in NFL games. It would have been the smart thing to do, if the offense plays along.
 



Would really like to have seen Cobb get another 6 yards on the ground.
 

I though the bigger blunder was them going for it on 4th and 2 with 4 minutes left (might be wrong on the time) in their own territory and down 1.

Punt it away and get a 3 and out and use your two time outs.

EDIT: I guess they ended up converting on that play after looking at the box score so I guess I can't call it a blunder, but I still would have punted it away. I don't like the not trusting your defense justification.
 

afurry91 said:
I though the bigger blunder was them going for it on 4th and 2 with 4 minutes left (might be wrong on the time) in their own territory and down 1.

Punt it away and get a 3 and out and use your two time outs.
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I thought it was the wrong move as well.
 

I wouldn't have coached the D to let him score but if he breaks it and has the 1st down, then yeah you let him go. Forcing a FG try, when Santoso really only had one good kick all day although it was obviously a HUGE one, would be preferable as you only would've had to get to the 35 to try it vs having to score and get the 2 pt conversion against an amped stadium and D
 

afurry91 said:
I though the bigger blunder was them going for it on 4th and 2 with 4 minutes left (might be wrong on the time) in their own territory and down 1.

Punt it away and get a 3 and out and use your two time outs.

EDIT: I guess they ended up converting on that play after looking at the box score so I guess I can't call it a blunder, but I still would have punted it away. I don't like the not trusting your defense justification.
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I liked the call. Your D was getting embarrassed and couldn't hold. Their O was moving the ball. The playcalling I didn't really get on their 4th downs when they got stopped. Why you back up out of the gun and have Applebee run is just baffling to me.
 

DoubleAlum said:
It seems to me Purdue's coaching staff made a huge blunder towards the end of the game. Down 1 point with just over two minutes left, one time out left on the board and the Maroon n Gold in Purdue territory, I would have told my defense to immediately let the Gophers score when Cobb runs the ball.

That would set up an interesting situation. First, did Kill have the foresight to tell Cobb and Company to not run into the end zone. If not, would Kill have gone for two points on the conversion to go up by 9?

If not, Purdue would've been down 8 with just under 2 minutes left, one time out, and Minnesota kicking off. That would've given them the best chance to force a tie game and head into overtime.

Sitting in stands, going absolutely bonkers with excitement, I turned to my wife and told her Purdue should let us score a touchdown. She looked at me with question marks in her eyes wondering what the hell I was talking about. A couple minutes later, she taps me on the shoulder and says: "oh, now I get it".

What do you guys think? Would that have been the right coaching move?
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On 3rd and 1 with about 1:30 left you could see one of Purdue's coaches yelling at the defense to let us score. But we ran a QB sneak and they weren't able to let us score.
 

I would not have told our RB of any status not to score. lots of things can happen and going up 8 points is never a bad thing. they would have had to score and go for two. betting on that would not be smart for the defense.

I think Purdue played it right our defense could have stepped up at any point (Thompson's int is an example) not smart to allow a team to just score unless they were on the door step going in then this scenario merits discussion
 

I turned to my wife and told her Purdue should let us score a touchdown. She looked at me with question marks in her eyes wondering what the hell I was talking about. A couple minutes later, she taps me on the shoulder and says: "oh, now I get it".
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I think her first instinct was correct. In her second she was humoring you.

With 2:28 we take over and Cobb burst for 9. A Purdue player I think 96 was injured, and they took their last time out. That led to the sneak and there was under two minutes and a first down. Game over. Its how the GAME is played. With the lead, it becomes a game between you and the clock vs. the opponent. The offense and great offenses work on 4 and 5 minute drills. Having the ability control the ball and the clock the opponent simply runs out of time.

Now if that is your game plan. And you have seen this done by Cobb, where he is pinned near the sidelines he has had the training to just go down. Does not go out of bounds. Do nothing to stop the clock, or lose control of the ball.

Finally, if Purdue allows Cobb a score and we kick the extra point and go up 8, It is still a two score game with less than two minutes without a time out.
 

husker70 said:
I think her first instinct was correct. In her second she was humoring you.

With 2:28 we take over and Cobb burst for 9. A Purdue player I think 96 was injured, and they took their last time out. That led to the sneak and there was under two minutes and a first down. Game over. Its how the GAME is played. With the lead, it becomes a game between you and the clock vs. the opponent. The offense and great offenses work on 4 and 5 minute drills. Having the ability control the ball and the clock the opponent simply runs out of time.

Now if that is your game plan. And you have seen this done by Cobb, where he is pinned near the sidelines he has had the training to just go down. Does not go out of bounds. Do nothing to stop the clock, or lose control of the ball.

Finally, if Purdue allows Cobb a score and we kick the extra point and go up 8, It is still a two score game with less than two minutes without a time out.
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This is only a 1 score game then
 

upnorthkid said:
This is only a 1 score game then
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you get one score which is 6, the two conversion is 2. The percent of college two point conversions is less than 40%. That's why its a two score advantage.
 

husker70 said:
you get one score which is 6, the two conversion is 2. The percent of college two point conversions is less than 40%. That's why its a two score advantage.
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I understand what you mean, but it is still regarded as a 1 score game by most people
 

GophersInIowa said:
Wrong. The proper move is to get all the way down to the one yard to pad his stats, then fall down. :p
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Anyone remember UNLV losing a game 10 or so years ago on the last play by going for a TD up 6 on like 3rd and goal from the 1, someone fumbled and the other team picked it up and ran 99 years to win. Always go down and get the game over with.

I watched Illinois beat Michigan one year and Illinois was up 1 and returned a kickoff for a TD with like 30 seconds left and no timeouts for Michigan to go up 8. It was this exact scenario and I realized if the guy had gone down on the 5 yard line, Illinois would have won. Turned out Michigan did not score, so it didn't matter in the end, but the situation does happen sometimes.
 

I think questions about coaching could be made on both sides, as it usually is with football. For Kill, trying to sneak the kicker in for 2, and then later in the game, going for two to make up for that were questionable (not necessarily bad) calls. For Purdue, going for it on 4th with like 4ish (?) minutes left, and not purposely allowing a score were questionable (no necessarily bad) calls.

If Purdue converts that 4th down, I think they win. If the Gophers convert those extra point conversions in the conventional way, the game is completely different. As usual, the game came down to the players.
 

If you watch the replay of the game, you'll see one of the Purdue assistants clearly yell to his defense

"LET THEM SCORE!" I kid you not, i've watched it again twice, you can't mistaken it...
 

That was Greg Hudson, yes that Greg Hudson.
 

skauma said:
I think questions about coaching could be made on both sides, as it usually is with football. For Kill, trying to sneak the kicker in for 2, and then later in the game, going for two to make up for that were questionable (not necessarily bad) calls. For Purdue, going for it on 4th with like 4ish (?) minutes left, and not purposely allowing a score were questionable (no necessarily bad) calls.

If Purdue converts that 4th down, I think they win. If the Gophers convert those extra point conversions in the conventional way, the game is completely different. As usual, the game came down to the players.
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The Gophers only attempted one 2-point conversion, on the trick play. Going for 2 made sense as it would have put the Gophers down by only three points.

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I think it's a lot easier of a thing to do if the Gophers were inside the Purdue 10 or something. But with it being where it was at, it would be difficult to just let them score with a 30 yard run.

Interesting that the Purdue coaches were saying that on the 3rd & super short. At that point, I think you just have to try to nut up on D and get the stop.
 

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