Dammit Doogie- Now he spills beans on Edsall!!

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Edsall is a good coach. UConn was an incredibly difficult place to win. They played their homegames like 45 min drive from campus, it's in recruiting hell, and he was able to constantly put together respectable teams. I think eventually, Maryland will be fine.

That said, they got rid of a pretty good football coach. I think eventually Maryland will be fine, but they returned quite a bit. They returned the ACC freshman of the year at QB, their leading rusher, their tight end, a WR, 4/5 OL and 7/11 defensive starters (and they were coming off of a 9-4 season).

I'd personally rather have Kill.
 

"The Randy Man can't"

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Stan The Caddy said:
Tikited, Rose & Khaliq-

Here is what Pat Forde wrote today about your boy Randy Edsall. Time will tell...

Coach who should take the bus to work



Randy Edsall (37), Maryland. Boy, it sure is a good thing the Terrapins brass squeezed out Ralph Friedgen after last year’s 9-4 season. If they hadn’t, they wouldn’t be privy to this year’s 2-6 pratfall in year one under Edsall. Maryland has lost four in a row, most recently a listless 28-17 defeat at home to Boston College. That’s the most points the punchless Eagles have scored in an ACC game since the middle of the 2009 season.
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Both Maryland and the Gophers are struggling. At the time, Edsall was more sought after and considered a better get. Oh well, not like our opinions matter anyways. We will roll with Kill for a long while and Edsall will be at Maryland for a long time as well.
 


If we would have lost to IA. some of these sentiments might be different. JK seems like a good person. I'll settle for a good person and a good coach over a bad person and great coach.
 


Rosemountian said:
When did I say he's my boy?

Maryland was a disaster to go into. There is a reason they fired that coach. If you were expecting Maryland to be good this year you were on something. They've been a little disappointing and slightly below my expectations, then again I could say the same exact things about kill.


I'd still rather have Edsall than kill. Hopefully I'm wrong since we got kill.
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By saying you would rather have Edsall than Kill, Edsall is your boy. Based on playing in the ACC and the returning players they had this year, Maryland has been a complete disaster.


Rosemountian said:
That writer in the post is upset that they are losing so he starts ripping on the dress code Edsall has. You support this writer. If a Minnesota writer ripped on kills "loafer" shirts would you support that writer at well?
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I personally find the Minnesota loafers shirts a bit childish and sophomoric. Just my opinion, so yes, i would agree with a writer who ripped the idea.

e.bigelow said:
With everything considered, I would much rather have Kill that Edsall. I was never that impressed with Edsall at UConn. Sort of backed into a BCS bowl last year with an average record and just got destroyed. I realize UConn would be a tough school to recruit to and things like that, but come on, it is the Big East, the worst BCS conference. I know Kill is from the MAC, but I much prefer his track record of program building to that of Edsalls.
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BINGO. For those that missed it the first couple of times, the guy had a losing record in the Big East. Think about that. Also, to the poster that discussed the Iowa win chaning our views. Not me personally. I was always anti-Edsall. Thank you Maryland.
 

Just a little tidbit from 2010

2010 - UCONN lost to Temple by 2 touchdowns
2010 - Temple lost to Northern Illinois by 2 touchdowns

Maryland can have Edsall, I'm glad as hell we have Kill instead of Edsall.
 

I just can't believe how bad Maryland is this year considering they returned most of their starters from last year.
 

It's too early to tell from either coach in reality, but there's no way, with the way things have gone so far, that you can definitively say Edsall would have been the better hire. That Maryland team has fallen big time. He made a great impression that first week (like Kill) but it hasn't gone well since (like Kill).

First year's are so unpredictable with coaching, it virtually tells you nothing. A guy comes in fresh, barely has any guys he recruited, who knows how the players will react. It looks like they didn't react well in both cases lol.
 



Since you all probably want my opinion, I'd rather have Kill than Edsall
 

I want the one we got because we've got him. Any others who didn't want to come here wouldn't have been worth a crap here because they didn't even want to be here. So, "...here's to Coach Kill..." and "...any others would have never been good fits here any way..." I won't spend any time even thinking about any other stinking coaches who aren't even here. Coach Kill is our coach and I'm damn glad we got him right here where he belongs...

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PS: you young dudes and dudettes probabaly don't even remember those pieces of junk called the edsels. The American public never took to the edsel and I'm sure edsall would have been a real failure here at the University of Minnesota. I don't think any edsall would have the "right stuff..." to make it here...The edsel certainly didn't...

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imthewalrus said:
PS: you young dudes and dudettes probabaly don't even remember those pieces of junk called the edsels. The American public never took to the edsel and I'm sure edsall would have been a real failure here at the University of Minnesota. I don't think any edsall would have the "right stuff..." to make it here...The edsel certainly didn't...

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Plus, he had a losing record in the Big East and conference (BIG TEN) wins are all that matter, right?
 



Big East wins don't count: ONLY Big Ten wins count...

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I believe the simple version is that Edsall had verbally agreed to a contract, but when UConn kicked a field goal to get to a BCS bowl, he wanted to coach in it and Maturi could not wait.
Personally, I would have taken Kill first and I am still gald we got him, no disrespect to Edsall intended. I think he is basically Mason except with his skill set on defense rather than offense. I expect better recruiting, especially given our location, from cKill than Edsall would have given us.
The ND AD and Maturi talk and supposedly Edsall was NDs second choice when they fired Weiss. I believe Maturi said something to that affect during stalled contract negotiations with Brewster when he also mentioned Harbaugh and Leech as negotiating ploys to jack Brewster up.
 

imthewalrus said:
I want the one we got because we've got him. Any others who didn't want to come here wouldn't have been worth a crap here because they didn't even want to be here. So, "...here's to Coach Kill..." and "...any others would have never been good fits here any way..." I won't spend any time even thinking about any other stinking coaches who aren't even here. Coach Kill is our coach and I'm damn glad we got him right here where he belongs...

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I knew the day would come when Wren and I would agree on something. Kill's the guy we've got and he wanted to come here.

Can't figure out the Maryland situation and why they forced out Big Ralph.
 

Doogie said:
Negotiate? I don't believe so. I do think they had every intention of doing so with Hoke before Tafoya busted Mona and Maturi on the plane ride home from San Diego. The odd thing: they very well could've had free usage of the Hubbard jet for that trip (used it to pick up Kill), but chose to fly commercial. Keep in mind that Hoke might've said no to begin with, sensing that Rich Rod would be out in Michigan.
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first off, I am happy with Kill. I think MN got the right coach, even over Edsall, Golden and Hoke. Kill has the leather to make it through the rough changes that need to happen at the U.

However, this is one of the reasons why I disliked the coaching search publicity. The revealing of names before anything had been decided probably scared off one or two potential candidates and did the U no favors.
 

Doogie said:
Negotiate? I don't believe so. I do think they had every intention of doing so with Hoke before Tafoya busted Mona and Maturi on the plane ride home from San Diego. The odd thing: they very well could've had free usage of the Hubbard jet for that trip (used it to pick up Kill), but chose to fly commercial. Keep in mind that Hoke might've said no to begin with, sensing that Rich Rod would be out in Michigan.
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From the 30,000 foot level, I always thought that there was a Michigan booster (or twelve) that was likely in contact with Hoke telling him to sit tight and wait for the ax to fall on Rodriguez. Had that influence not been there, my guess is he would have taken a longer look at our situation.

Which makes me laugh at those who criticize Maturi for aggressively courting Hoke. We obviously didn't have the back channels that Michigan had regarding Hoke and while Maturi didn't exactly go through the front door in his pursuit of Hoke, this shows he was serious about going after the guy many, if not most, college football analysts believed was the guy most qualified to take a big step up in the coaching ranks. We'll see if they're right. Maturi can be rightfully criticized for a number of things. His pursuit of Hoke, while clumsily done, isn't one of them.

I'm fine with Kill and think he'll do a good job. I also agree with posters who believe Kill has the cojones to stand up through the re-building process and that is going to be important. Our best match and as Wren said (I'm going to relish the occurrence of a point of agreement with Wren), Kill's the guy who is here and it's time to dance.
 

Just to be clear- If Kill loses last week to IA 55-0 then most of us here would have wanted Edsall,Golden,Hoke,Mason,Treadwell.
 

wait!what? said:
Just to be clear- If Kill loses last week to IA 55-0 then most of us here would have wanted Edsall,Golden,Hoke,Mason,Treadwell.
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Maybe those who don't recognize the magnitude of what Kill has in front of him. A change had to be made and neither Golden or Hoke (Golden was the guy I preferred going into the process) were interested and Edsall wasn't interested enough. So Kill ended up being the guy and I'm fine with that. I haven't loved everything he's done or how he's gone about doing it (but everything is a pretty high bar), but he's competent, focused, and has a system. I'm more than willing to let it run its course. And like Wren said (I'm having so much fun with this), he's the guy who is here.
 

It also seems that Kill has a good grasp on what needs to be done, the fight to get it done and a President at the U who is fully in agreement and behind him.

Oh, and one more thing, if what Royston said in Sid's article I believe is correct, the players are finally clicking into Kill, his staff and understanding what they are doing and expecting.

Though I expect another potential blowout or two, the rest of the year should show some improvement.
 

calminnfan said:
It also seems that Kill has a good grasp on what needs to be done, the fight to get it done and a President at the U who is fully in agreement and behind him.

Oh, and one more thing, if what Royston said in Sid's article I believe is correct, the players are finally clicking into Kill, his staff and understanding what they are doing and expecting.

Though I expect another potential blowout or two, the rest of the year should show some improvement.
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Very well said! The defense especially has been playing much better the last few weeks. If they keep improving, we might surprise someone. Last week looked like things were clicking for everyone - like they all finally got "it".

No one knows if Hoke or Edsall or Leach or Mike Grant would have worked out here. I have yet to figure out why Maryland made that change, but I'm sure Edsall is going through growing pains as well (new systems, new coordinators, etc.). Even if he gets ran out of town in 3 years in MD, it doesn't mean he may not have been successful here. And even if Kill ends up not being successfull here, it doesn't mean he wasn't a good hire based off his resume and who was interested.
 

wait!what? said:
Just to be clear- If Kill loses last week to IA 55-0 then most of us here would have wanted Edsall,Golden,Hoke,Mason,Treadwell.
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If he follows up 58-0, 45-17, and 41-14 with a 55-0 waxing to a rival at home, yes, there's no doubt there would be different opinions. The fact that this team is showing improvement pretty much every week since the Michigan debacle is a good sign to me. If they just continued to fall into a tailspin, then yes, that is more concerning.
 

Monty519 said:
If he follows up 58-0, 45-17, and 41-14 with a 55-0 waxing to a rival at home, yes, there's no doubt there would be different opinions. The fact that this team is showing improvement pretty much every week since the Michigan debacle is a good sign to me. If they just continued to fall into a tailspin, then yes, that is more concerning.
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Agreed. My complaint earlier in the season is that the team was making stupid (and more importantly preventable) mistakes and that had me worried about both players and coaches. Things have improved in that department, which is making me more comfortable. I don't want to get waxed, but if the Gophers are simply outplayed because of a talent differential, I can live with that. What bothers me is when the team is unfocused and sloppy.
 

The best part of the defense during the NE game was that they held while Pelini kept his foot on the gas pedal the whole time. I think there was 47 secs left in the game and NE was calling plays to move the ball downfield. It will be sweet beating them next yr in Lincoln.
 


wait!what? said:
The best part of the defense during the NE game was that they held while Pelini kept his foot on the gas pedal the whole time. I think there was 47 secs left in the game and NE was calling plays to move the ball downfield. It will be sweet beating them next yr in Lincoln.
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Actually Pelini was trying out plays and working on issues with his team more than keeping his foot on the gas. He said as much. If he was keeping his foot on the gas, he would have kept running the ball. Their QB has problems in the passing game.

Honestly did not have a problem with his doing that since it seemed pretty evident that was going on.
 

calminnfan said:
Actually Pelini was trying out plays and working on issues with his team more than keeping his foot on the gas. He said as much. If he was keeping his foot on the gas, he would have kept running the ball. Their QB has problems in the passing game.

Honestly did not have a problem with his doing that since it seemed pretty evident that was going on.
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Yea, the only play I had problems with was that 4th down where they went for it and got the TD instead of kicking the FG. It was clear that the game was out of hand there and that felt like pouring it on. Still, it's up to the D to get a stop.
 

With Coach Kill I don't think he will be looking at new jobs like Mason always was. Who's to say Hoke if he had taken the job would not have always had mich on his mind or Golden PSU and Edsell who knows. With Coach Kill I think he is committed to the Gopher Program and his kids.
 

wait!what? said:
Just to be clear- If Kill loses last week to IA 55-0 then most of us here would have wanted Edsall,Golden,Hoke,Mason,Treadwell.
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Eh...possibly.

I'm not really going to diverge much from my opinion of these coaches in their first season.

I probably always had them ranked....(1) Golden / Kill; (2) Hoke; (3) Edsall.

I think they are all good coaches, but I don't think anything you have seen so far is going to be able to tell you how they will do at the things that this program needs. Hoke has had success so far at Michigan with really talented players, would that success transfor here? Hard to say.

For me, first year head coaches who take over bad teams/programs get a lot of leeway. Their record doesn't really matter. However, I would expect a little more from guys like Edsall and Hoke who walked in with a lot of talent. So far, Hoke has done decent and Edsall hasn't. Either way, I think it's too soon to judge a coach.
 

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