The Mountain West is in serious dialogue to add FCS powerhouse North Dakota State as a football-only member starting this coming season

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Border Gopher said:
There were four championship caliber teams in FCS. Now there are three. It’s boring as fuck
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I think there is more like 6-7

I know North Dakota and South Dakota hasn’t won one but the 4 Dakotas + 2 montanas + a random rotating team are usually the ones in the mix
 

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I think there is more like 6-7

I know North Dakota and South Dakota hasn’t won one but the 4 Dakotas + 2 montanas + a random rotating team are usually the ones in the mix
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4 Dakotas? SDSU and NDSU are all I can think of. UND and USD aren't there.
 

Who knows how true this is but that won't stop NDSUers from parading it around like a dog who's found a useless stick in the park. In the bisonville.com world, one would think that having announced they were moving to the basement of FBS 9 days ago that regional P4 teams should be buying out of long arranged games to schedule home and homes with the Bison.

 


Unregistered User said:
Didn't want to start another thread, but Sacramento State to the MAC, this has been news for a little while now:

www.usatoday.com

Sac State football to join MAC as conference reshuffle continues

Sacramento State is getting a new football conference, and it's going to mean some serious travel for the Northern California school.
www.usatoday.com
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$18 million to the MAC. $5m to NCAA. No media share (I doubt there was much anyway). Sac has to pay travel for MAC teams to Sacramento. The biggest kicker - it's only a five year agreement. Sac is paying tens of millions of dollars for what is essentially a five year scheduling agreement.
 



swede2 said:
Who knows how true this is but that won't stop NDSUers from parading it around like a dog who's found a useless stick in the park. In the bisonville.com world, one would think that having announced they were moving to the basement of FBS 9 days ago that regional P4 teams should be buying out of long arranged games to schedule home and homes with the Bison.

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It's not a game that is needed in any way for Minnesota. Especially under the current structure of ten P4 games. MN recruits ND pretty good, so I don't know why MN would want to write a check to NDSU to play meaningless games.

Personally I like the games and rivalry, but it doesn't make much sense.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
It's not a game that is needed in any way for Minnesota. Especially under the current structure of ten P4 games. MN recruits ND pretty good, so I don't know why MN would want to write a check to NDSU to play meaningless games.

Personally I like the games and rivalry, but it doesn't make much sense.
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Yeah it's not like MN is scheduling Tulane, Memphis, etc as is. Those two other games are always going to be against bottom half G5 teams and FCS.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
It's not a game that is needed in any way for Minnesota. Especially under the current structure of ten P4 games. MN recruits ND pretty good, so I don't know why MN would want to write a check to NDSU to play meaningless games.

Personally I like the games and rivalry, but it doesn't make much sense.
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Right. I would frankly prefer that we scheduled regional FCS and FBS programs for OOC interest but the reality of CFB today makes it an understandable non-starter. Returning to the whole "bored of winning bit," I think the Bison sycophancy overestimate the opportunity for attractive games. With P4 programs playing 9 conference games and 10 total P4 games, there are fewer opportunities for buy games from P4 than even a few years ago and those buy games are going to be against known cupcakes. NDSU has a game scheduled with Oregon for 2028 but it is almost universally accepted that Oregon will move that game back (it was originally scheduled for 2020).
 



I'd be fine playing Sac State though.
 

I would love to play 12 power 5 schools
If the bowl system goes away it may be what it ends up as
 

We do not have a rivalry with NDSU. With North Dakota and hockey yes. We gain nothing by playing them and the fact that it bothers them by not playing them is all the better. Besides Wisconsin and Iowa a better border rival would be ISU.

Go Gophers !!!!!!!!!
 

swede2 said:
Who knows how true this is but that won't stop NDSUers from parading it around like a dog who's found a useless stick in the park. In the bisonville.com world, one would think that having announced they were moving to the basement of FBS 9 days ago that regional P4 teams should be buying out of long arranged games to schedule home and homes with the Bison.

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They're out in full force already pounding their chests of beating 1-11 and 3-9 team
 




swede2 said:
Right. I would frankly prefer that we scheduled regional FCS and FBS programs for OOC interest but the reality of CFB today makes it an understandable non-starter. Returning to the whole "bored of winning bit," I think the Bison sycophancy overestimate the opportunity for attractive games. With P4 programs playing 9 conference games and 10 total P4 games, there are fewer opportunities for buy games from P4 than even a few years ago and those buy games are going to be against known cupcakes. NDSU has a game scheduled with Oregon for 2028 but it is almost universally accepted that Oregon will move that game back (it was originally scheduled for 2020).
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I’d much rather play them than some of the non-conference games we have had recently and have coming up. Piss pound them a couple of times and call it a day. As it is, we have a losing record against them overall, and frankly could very easily be winless.
 

Gopherchase said:
I’d much rather play them than some of the non-conference games we have had recently and have coming up. Piss pound them a couple of times and call it a day. As it is, we have a losing record against them overall, and frankly could very easily be winless.
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Could very easily be winless all time in all games if you ignore the wins!
 

Unregistered User said:
Didn't want to start another thread, but Sacramento State to the MAC, this has been news for a little while now:

www.usatoday.com

Sac State football to join MAC as conference reshuffle continues

Sacramento State is getting a new football conference, and it's going to mean some serious travel for the Northern California school.
www.usatoday.com
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I'd much rather play Sacramento State. There are more recruits in a 50 mile radius than the whole state of North Dakota. Furthermore many/ most NDSU players come from Minnesota. What's to gain?

They should be playing St. Thomas. They might be able to stop St. Thomas from taking their recruits.
 

STPGopher said:
I'd much rather play Sacramento State. There are more recruits in a 50 mile radius than the whole state of North Dakota. Furthermore many/ most NDSU players come from Minnesota. What's to gain?

They should be playing St. Thomas. They might be able to stop St. Thomas from taking their recruits.
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Three months ago they beat St. Thomas 62 to 7. They are much closer to us than St. Thomas is to them.
 

You'll never convince me that NDSU could not have threatened to sue the NCAA and succeed, then being allowed to move up to FBS as an Independent at a similar time as Liberty was allowed to.

Doing so would have been free, they could have played FBS since then, probably playing in and winning some bowl games, and then receive this same invitation for far less cost ... same as Northern Ill.

The money they're paying for the privilege to fly many thousand of miles per year to play games that will have very late TV starts in the Central timezone, is the most mind boggling part of this. Sac State is even worse.


Be interested to see an alternate universe where they move up in say the 2019 season ... and if Kliemann would have agreed to stay to do that instead of moving to K-State. Probably not, but Entz still won yet another FCS natty in 2019.

Then covid. Then they still won yet another FCS natty in 2021. Since that point they haven't been quite as successful, though still very successful. Obviously Polasek has them back on the right track.
 

Lot of interesting discussion (to me) on Fargodome, and if NDSU fans will care about the current Mountain West teams any more than they care about non-MonDak teams in Missouri Valley (I know Montana's aren't in MVFC, I'm just saying they would get great attendance in the Fargodome).

In the near term ... I think Wyoming, due to former connection with Bohl and other coaches, and New Mexico because they a pretty good program under Eck, coming to the Fargodome will get some interest.

Don't think the others are all that interesting.
 

GopherGrit said:
You'll never convince me that NDSU could not have threatened to sue the NCAA and succeed, then being allowed to move up to FBS as an Independent at a similar time as Liberty was allowed to.

Doing so would have been free, they could have played FBS since then, probably playing in and winning some bowl games, and then receive this same invitation for far less cost ... same as Northern Ill.

The money they're paying for the privilege to fly many thousand of miles per year to play games that will have very late TV starts in the Central timezone, is the most mind boggling part of this. Sac State is even worse.


Be interested to see an alternate universe where they move up in say the 2019 season ... and if Kliemann would have agreed to stay to do that instead of moving to K-State. Probably not, but Entz still won yet another FCS natty in 2019.

Then covid. Then they still won yet another FCS natty in 2021. Since that point they haven't been quite as successful, though still very successful. Obviously Polasek has them back on the right track.
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Going independent is only going to become more difficult to near impossible because of scheduling. Especially if the conferences are going to all go to 9 conference games. I think this is why Sac St. became so desperate that they paid their way into a terrible conference. They wouldn't have been able to schedule as an independent.
 

GopherGrit said:
Lot of interesting discussion (to me) on Fargodome, and if NDSU fans will care about the current Mountain West teams any more than they care about non-MonDak teams in Missouri Valley (I know Montana's aren't in MVFC, I'm just saying they would get great attendance in the Fargodome).

In the near term ... I think Wyoming, due to former connection with Bohl and other coaches, and New Mexico because they a pretty good program under Eck, coming to the Fargodome will get some interest.

Don't think the others are all that interesting.
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Air Force will probably generate interest.
 

SeaBee_Gopher said:
North Dakota has only 800,000 people to split between two FCS teams. I highly doubt NDSU will be in play for the Big 12 any time soon. There just aren't enough people around. It seems to me they are capitalizing on their relatively recent success to move up the food chain one notch from top FCS to bottom FBS. There was no guarantee they'd be able to continue their success finding gems that FBS programs were missing on. Eventually, there's a good chance the local FBS teams figure out your angle and adopt it.

They may have permanently moved themselves above UND similar to what Washington did by ditching Washington State and joining the B1G. UND is probably the most scared by this move. NDSU now has more upside potential even if it carries greater risk. A lot of the people in power aren't using their own money anyway so how big is the risk really?
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I don't think NDSU will be Big 12 anytime soon and Its alot more issues than just population. Other factors include the amount of money going into the football program is way too low. Plus small stadium size (19,000)
 
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P4 are playing 9 conference games and now +1 P4 no conference, leaving only two buy games. That and revenue sharing are really going to stress a significant number G6 schools. Schools like Sam Houston moved up with the idea of playing 2, maybe 3 buy games as department revenue generators. There just won't be room on schedules anymore for independent teams.
disco said:
Going independent is only going to become more difficult to near impossible because of scheduling. Especially if the conferences are going to all go to 9 conference games. I think this is why Sac St. became so desperate that they paid their way into a terrible conference. They wouldn't have been able to schedule as an independent.
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maybe the bison will be competitive. For reference Wyoming only spends 1.8 million in NIL (but is working on upping it to about a Koi Perich at Oregon amount). Could NDSU fundraise this much to be competitive with MW schools? I would suspect that they could
 

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