No black head coaches in the Big 10 ....

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Not that the other major conferences are much better, but the Big 10 is the worst .... beyond pathetic ..... did MAC-Turi even interview Shannon?
 

maroon and gold said:
Not that the other major conferences are much better, but the Big 10 is the worst .... beyond pathetic ..... did MAC-Turi even interview Shannon?
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Sumlin turned the job down, quit your b!tchin.

Plus, Shannon.... really? The guy is Brewster's twin, can recruit, can't coach.
 

Shannon didn't deserve an interview here. If he can't win at Miami with all of the benefits you have for recruiting given that program's history, he isn't winning at Minnesota.
 

First of all, we don't know the package presented to Sumlin. We could have low balled him. Secondly, we don't know the impact that the incompetent, Lame Duck Maturi had on his decision. Sumlin could very well have considered us if the conditions were different. We don't know.

What I do know is I was very intrigued with the idea of hiring an African-American coach. Whether you want to believe it or not, African-American parents sometimes feel more comfortable sending their impressionable teenage son to a program run by an African-American rather than just another white coach. Not unearthing some unhidden truth here but the right African-American coach here could do really, really well. Think of it as a competitive advantage. There's such a dearth of African-American coaches in division 1 football to begin with, not mentioning the Big Ten...and considering that the majority of BCS-level college football players are African-American, it can't be discounted.

It should never be the #1 factor in hiring a coach as we've seen some incompetent African-American coaches but the right fit could really put us at an advantage.
 

Once again anyone who starts a strawman thread like race issue is more about the image rather than the performance. If you can lead a team, you can be a head coach by any means necessary. Look at Leslie Frazier. He came up through "the ranks" as it were, yet Denny Green was hired through an interview process even though he had mediocre to tepid results at Northwestern and Stanford.

I'd rather have a coach who gets his players to eat lightning and crap thunder without regard to his skin color.
 


Seriously? If you believe that "what you are" is a qualification versus "who you are" you are going to come up short. I want the best coach we can get...period. Doesn't matter the color. If you stay focussed on the "what you are" criteria you will ultimately limit the potential results. It goes both ways. Leslie Frazier is 2-0. Oh yeah, I just realized he is black, too. I didn't even think about that until you brought the subject up (I'm serious). Hell, I wish to god that we could have signed Tony Dungy, but he said "No".
 

You wanna place the race card eh?

How many white starting RB's are there in the B10?
 

Ewert86PC said:
Once again anyone who starts a strawman thread like race issue is more about the image rather than the performance. If you can lead a team, you can be a head coach by any means necessary. Look at Leslie Frazier. He came up through "the ranks" as it were, yet Denny Green was hired through an interview process even though he had mediocre to tepid results at Northwestern and Stanford.

I'd rather have a coach who gets his players to eat lightning and crap thunder without regard to his skin color.
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A "strawman thread" ..... Wow!! 120 Division 1 schools and only 13 (give or take) black head coaches (and about half of those hired in the past year or two). And how many black players at these schools compared to white? Aren't most (really all) head coaches former players (and I realize not all at the Div. 1 level)? Apparently blacks have much less interest in becoming coaches/head coaches than whites and at a per cent rate that is ungodly disproportionate to their participation in the sport at the Division 1 level. Wow!! I guess I learned something today.
 

who the *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# cares what color coaches are. oh yea the people looking to play the race card. race IS NO LONGER AN ISSUE and will remain so until people make it an issue with stuff like this.
 



Since our President (of the Union) is of African-American descent, the use of the 'race card' has been tossed the way of the Dodo.

Sorry, weak ass topic subject.
 

I'm just waiting for someone to solve the real problem. The shameful dearth of asian players in division one college football.
 






And Cam McDonald (did he commit somewhere yet?)
 

Would there be an advantage to having the only African-American coach in the Big 10? Yes. I think it would be naive to suggest otherwise. But they have to have come about naturally in the process. If we were doing this search one year ago, I'd like to think Charlie Strong and Turner Gil would have been near the top of the list. As it is, Sumlin was certainly in the mix.

That said, do I wish we'd strongly considered Randy Shannon? Yes. I know I'm in the minority. But I think what he did at Miami is unfairly bashed, and I think he would have done well here. But what's done is done. In any case, a school who's most high-profile employee is Tubby Smith should not have to defend it's commitment to diversity.
 


maroon and gold said:
A "strawman thread" ..... Wow!! 120 Division 1 schools and only 13 (give or take) black head coaches (and about half of those hired in the past year or two). And how many black players at these schools compared to white? Aren't most (really all) head coaches former players (and I realize not all at the Div. 1 level)? Apparently blacks have much less interest in becoming coaches/head coaches than whites and at a per cent rate that is ungodly disproportionate to their participation in the sport at the Division 1 level. Wow!! I guess I learned something today.
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How many female football coaches are there in D1?
How many African-American Bioscience PhD candidates?
How many homosexual Jewish female manga artists are there in the Big Ten?

Racism exists in many forms, but this argument really needs to have more depth than just skin color.

Growing up here in "liberal Minnesota" in the 1970's, I walked in to my house to find my sister and one of my sister's friends was raging about how "racist' her friend's dad was. The friend said she was going to marry a black man just to piss him off. She wouldn't consider any other type of person. A black man was going to be her husband and then her dad would see just how wrong he was about black people and she was going to rub his face in it. I butted in and asked her "Shouldn't you be in love with him?" Her response was "that is not relevant." [Nope, no racism in Minnesota in the 1970's. Move along.]
 

Some of these arguments are funny.

I personally wouldn't consider anything frivilous like race or religion when it came to hiring a coach, but some of the arguments here are pretty bad.

Questioning why there aren't any African American coaches in the Big 10 is not the same asking why there aren't any female coaches in the Big 10. African Americans make up a significant portion of the player ranks and even assistant coaching ranks of college football.
 

maroon and gold said:
A "strawman thread" ..... Wow!! 120 Division 1 schools and only 13 (give or take) black head coaches (and about half of those hired in the past year or two). And how many black players at these schools compared to white? Aren't most (really all) head coaches former players (and I realize not all at the Div. 1 level)? Apparently blacks have much less interest in becoming coaches/head coaches than whites and at a per cent rate that is ungodly disproportionate to their participation in the sport at the Division 1 level. Wow!! I guess I learned something today.
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There would be more black head coaches if white head coaches weren't better. Fact. Go on, start rambling why there are more than 13 deserving black coaches in college football. I don't care because it isn't true. Any pertinent AD would hire a black coach if they were deserving. /end thread. Ridiculous thread honestly.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Some of these arguments are funny.

I personally wouldn't consider anything frivilous like race or religion when it came to hiring a coach, but some of the arguments here are pretty bad.

Questioning why there aren't any African American coaches in the Big 10 is not the same asking why there aren't any female coaches in the Big 10. African Americans make up a significant portion of the player ranks and even assistant coaching ranks of college football.
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It is the same thing. It is exactly as ridiculous as the Title IX debate. Choosing one aspect of a whole person, whether it is race, religion, gender, gender orientation, politics, et al, as a sole basis for promoting, or denying promotion to, a person IS an antiquated social justice philosophy. As you say, there are a significant number of African Americans who are players and assistant coaches in college football, but to blatantly assume there is an organized effort to hold them back, especially forty years after the civil rights movement's impact on modern society, is as ridiculous as the Victorian era belief that sloping foreheads and protruding brow ridges mean that a person is less than human. Are these African Americans taking up spots that could be filled by qualified women?

If Tim Brewster were black and that was the only thing different about his tenure as head coach, would be have been racist for firing him? Or would he have still been a pathetic snake oil salesman who duped an entire recruiting firm and an Athletic Director in to believing that he could be a winning coach based solely on his recruiting abilities?

If Joel Maturi were female, would we be sexist for complaining about how awful the coach selection process for the head football coach?
 

JackiO said:
There would be more black head coaches if white head coaches weren't better. Fact. Go on, start rambling why there are more than 13 deserving black coaches in college football. I don't care because it isn't true. Any pertinent AD would hire a black coach if they were deserving. /end thread. Ridiculous thread honestly.
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WOW!!! That could have been worded a little bit different. Just saying
 

TPatt17 said:
WOW!!! That could have been worded a little bit different. Just saying
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well he's right who the *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# cares about wording unless youre looking to intentionally make someone look bad by parsing things out.

same thing could be said if the black head coaches were better than the white ones. color doesnt freaking matter in the least. its all about who is the best man for the job
 

Ridiculous

This is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard. Race playing a significant factor in hiring college football coaches.

Color, however, does play a HUGE role in hiring football coaches. That color is GREEN.

Does anybody honestly think an athletic department filled with people who's careers largely hinge on whether or not they hire successful football coaches, would rather LOSE with a white coach than win with a black coach? Really? Are you that dense?

Think about that for a minute. If I hire a bad coach, I could lose my job. But forget about that, even if I could get fired, I refuse to hire a black coach, even if he makes our football program better.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
 


maroon and gold said:
A "strawman thread" ..... Wow!! 120 Division 1 schools and only 13 (give or take) black head coaches (and about half of those hired in the past year or two). And how many black players at these schools compared to white? Aren't most (really all) head coaches former players (and I realize not all at the Div. 1 level)? Apparently blacks have much less interest in becoming coaches/head coaches than whites and at a per cent rate that is ungodly disproportionate to their participation in the sport at the Division 1 level. Wow!! I guess I learned something today.
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The whole "there are more black players, therefore there should be more black coaches" argument is one of the most specious and ridiculous arguments I've ever heard, and yet, people like you continue to advance it.

Think about it like this: it's basically the same as saying, "There are more blacks than whites in prisons across the country, so there should be more black prison wardens." Why have I never heard anyone advance that argument?
 

I think Haywood is a comer. Look for him in the Big Ten one of these years. And Tony Dungy could have been - several times.
 



I would have loved Sumlin if he didn't reside over the 104th defense in the country.
 

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