QB Jackson Kollock will enter the portal.

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gopherbadgerman said:
Maybe he’ll come back here?
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Not out of the question if he finds that the grass isn't greener and he isn't getting the kind of offers he wants. If the team took him back we would be at 5 QBs on the roster (Drake, Max, Wittke, Merdinger, and Kollack). Question would be if there is still a spot for him.

Edit - totally forgot about Palmer and Lansu coming in as true freshman. Don't see us carrying 7 QBs so probably not room on the roster for Kollock even if he wanted to come back at this point.
 

With the way the portal works today for QBs, it seems imperative for guys to get playing time as underclassmen. They can’t risk sitting behind a starter for multiple years waiting their turn only for their team to pull a OB out of the portal to play over them.

Go where you can prove yourself as an underclassman and work your way up divisions or risk dying on the vine.
 

GreasyGopher said:
With the way the portal works today for QBs, it seems imperative for guys to get playing time as underclassmen. They can’t risk sitting behind a starter for multiple years waiting their turn only for their team to pull a OB out of the portal to play over them.

Go where you can prove yourself as an underclassman and work your way up divisions or risk dying on the vine.
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For QBs this definitely seems like the way to go unless you are sure you have a shot to land a starting job at a power 4 school as a freshman which very few guys can.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Not out of the question if he finds that the grass isn't greener and he isn't getting the kind of offers he wants. If the team took him back we would be at 5 QBs on the roster (Drake, Max, Wittke, Merdinger, and Kollack). Question would be if there is still a spot for him.

Edit - totally forgot about Palmer and Lansu coming in as true freshman. Don't see us carrying 7 QBs so probably not room on the roster for Kollock even if he wanted to come back at this point.
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Is there a caveat to the B1G scholarship rule that says you lose your scholarship by entering the portal?

I wonder what value the portal really is to the player if they know they are leaving a school. Why not use the Jake Retzlaff maneuver?
 




gopherbadgerman said:
Maybe he’ll come back here?
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If I'm a P4 coach, there are very few instances in which I'd take back a player who has entered the portal (e.g., a "wanting to move closer to home to be with mom as she's dying" sort of deal would qualify). If someone enters the portal just to test the waters to see if they can get a better deal, and you take them back, then you'll have a lot of players on the team wanting to do that option and it'll make chaos out of your roster.

Along these lines, I would like to see some sort of arrangement made where a player could be "loaned" to another team. This happens all the time in soccer and in sense in MLB, NBA and NHL, but would not work in the current "everyone is a free agent every season" deal that is now college sports. The loaned player gets playing time on the lesser team, and then comes back the following year having gained experience. Again, this isn't in the cards right now for college sports, but it really works well in soccer, and to some extent in the other pro sports with their farm teams.
 

swede2 said:
Is there a caveat to the B1G scholarship rule that says you lose your scholarship by entering the portal?

I wonder what value the portal really is to the player if they know they are leaving a school. Why not use the Jake Retzlaff maneuver?
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Pretty sure that you forfeit your scholarship when you go into the portal. Team has to take you back if you want to come out of the portal and return, but they don't have to if they don't want to.

I think scholarships are year to year so if you try to play games with it the team can just not renew your scholarship for the next season.

Edit - at least that is how I think this stuff works but will freely admit that I could be completely wrong because it is all so friggin confusing these days.
 





Using the "worshipped by kids betrayal scale", where does this fall in marketing term? 😉
 

MNVCGUY said:
For QBs this definitely seems like the way to go unless you are sure you have a shot to land a starting job at a power 4 school as a freshman which very few guys can.
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You get to learn the system and develop trust. Worked out pretty damn well for Stockton and Simpson to wait.
Far too many guys want to play qb compared to number of spots. There are very very few true freshman who can come in and play regardless of level and you’re probably going to get better tutelage, resources and dev at a B10 school as a backup than at the low fbs or fcs level unless your Hope is to move up as a 22 year old and have one go at the P5 level (again odds on most freshmen are not starting or blowing up; Chambliss sat for several years at Ferris state).
 

Gopher Ally said:
I’m surprised, he will sign somewhere soon,he had interest. Don’t feel it’s likely he’d come back here but one never knows
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I guess that's another downside - there are QBs at lesser schools all over the country crossing their fingers Jackson Kollock doesn't take their spot.
 




GopherTheJugular said:
I guess that's another downside - there are QBs at lesser schools all over the country crossing their fingers Jackson Kollock doesn't take their spot.
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He’s a mid tier rs fr with middle of the road P5 offers who’s never played at the college level. If you’re afraid of that, you’re in the wrong sport.

TBH I don’t really see the reason for hand wringing over him.
 

upnorthkid said:
He’s a mid tier rs fr with middle of the road P5 offers who’s never played at the college level. If you’re afraid of that, you’re in the wrong sport.

TBH I don’t really see the reason for hand wringing over him.
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Nobody has any idea what he can do on a college football field and that’s the problem for QBs in his position. Stay at your current school and hope that your number is called when you’re an upperclassman OR go out to a lower level and put something on film. No one is taking an upperclassman that’s never played a snap in the portal.

Maybe he never makes it back but at least he’s in the fight. Can’t win the fight if you never step in the ring.

Just because you can name a few exceptions doesn’t mean they demonstrate the rule. QB recruiting has changed for the exact reason that you mentioned. There are only so many QB spots available to risk sitting around without film and giving your current school the opportunity to recruit over you when “your time” comes.

Also, I wouldn’t say there’s any “hand wringing” going on. The discussion is nowhere near that level.
 

GopherTheJugular said:
Ummm, don't the two bolded phrases contradict? Did you mean to say, "Team can take you back"?
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First use of "has" was to say it is out of the players control which was followed by the explanation that team doesn't have to if they don't have to if they don't want too.... :)
 

GreasyGopher said:
Nobody has any idea what he can do on a college football field and that’s the problem for QBs in his position. Stay at your current school and hope that your number is called when you’re an upperclassman OR go out to a lower level and put something on film. No one is taking an upperclassman that’s never played a snap in the portal.

Maybe he never makes it back but at least he’s in the fight. Can’t win the fight if you never step in the ring.

Just because you can name a few exceptions doesn’t mean they demonstrate the rule. QB recruiting has changed for the exact reason that you mentioned. There are only so many QB spots available to risk sitting around without film and giving your current school the opportunity to recruit over you when “your time” comes.

Also, I wouldn’t say there’s any “hand wringing” going on. The discussion is nowhere near that level.
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I agree. He can drop down a level and likely start and then come right back up to P4 if he's good and get a really big bag of money because teams will actually have tape on him. Seems logical to me.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Not out of the question if he finds that the grass isn't greener and he isn't getting the kind of offers he wants. If the team took him back we would be at 5 QBs on the roster (Drake, Max, Wittke, Merdinger, and Kollack). Question would be if there is still a spot for him.

Edit - totally forgot about Palmer and Lansu coming in as true freshman. Don't see us carrying 7 QBs so probably not room on the roster for Kollock even if he wanted to come back at this point.
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Kollock should be second in that series. We don't have any idea how Kollock fared leading the scout team, but I have to believe his ceiling is higher than the Shikenjanski's, Merdinger's, and Wittke's.
 

upnorthkid said:
You get to learn the system and develop trust. Worked out pretty damn well for Stockton and Simpson to wait.
Far too many guys want to play qb compared to number of spots. There are very very few true freshman who can come in and play regardless of level and you’re probably going to get better tutelage, resources and dev at a B10 school as a backup than at the low fbs or fcs level unless your Hope is to move up as a 22 year old and have one go at the P5 level (again odds on most freshmen are not starting or blowing up; Chambliss sat for several years at Ferris state).
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Don't disagree, I mean that was the way it was done for years.

Stockton and Simpson were both really highly rated out of high school which might have made them more confident in being the heir apparent at Georgia and Alabama.

For less highly rated QBs in this current era they may be better off going to a lower level school and proving they can play as opposed to riding a power 4 bench and hoping to get the shot eventually.

I'm all for players developing and earning their shot but unfortunately that is becoming a thing of the past as players want to play right away and teams also have the ability to bring in experienced players from other schools to jump in front of recruits on the depth chart.
 

GreasyGopher said:
Nobody has any idea what he can do on a college football field and that’s the problem for QBs in his position. Stay at your current school and hope that your number is called when you’re an upperclassman OR go out to a lower level and put something on film. No one is taking an upperclassman that’s never played a snap in the portal.

Maybe he never makes it back but at least he’s in the fight. Can’t win the fight if you never step in the ring.

Just because you can name a few exceptions doesn’t mean they demonstrate the rule. QB recruiting has changed for the exact reason that you mentioned. There are only so many QB spots available to risk sitting around without film and giving your current school the opportunity to recruit over you when “your time” comes.

Also, I wouldn’t say there’s any “hand wringing” going on. The discussion is nowhere near that level.
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I don’t expect him to be the starter anywhere next year unless he drops to FCS. He’ll have a chance.

As far as QBs transferring without tape as an upperclassmen
Kenny Minchey is a rs so. He’s thrown 26 passes in mop up duty. He committed to nebby and now is going to Kentucky for more money. Philo has sat for 2 years playing sparingly in mop up or in setting of injury and is going to Florida. Keinholz (from SD who gophers were in on) had backed up at OSU and now will be at Louisville.

There are a ton of P4 to P4 backups transferring after sitting for several years. These guys have so much tape that gets around from their hs tape, recruiting dev, qb camps, etc. This isn’t the era where coaches are going we have no idea who this guy is anymore because everything is online and so many people know each other

It’s the Same reason we all freak out and get excited when we get a commit from a former sec player because we just assume they’re good even though there’s no tape.

I get what you’re saying on not playing in games, but I chalk a lot of that up at qb in that these guys have all always been “the guy” and sitting has been coached (and at times helicopter parented) out of them.

For kollack or anyone one class behind or anywhere ahead of Drake, I get transferring as there’s going to be finite time and he’s not going anywhere and this is not a place that’s put QBs consistently in the nfl. At Oregon or bama you may be more patient as their guys get drafted year after year.

At the mid tier and lower fbs level, I imagine just as many if not more of these guys hurt themselves than help themselves and I think the portal data support that based on where they end up snd how many end up not starting/playing, while also hindering their learning in a system year over year, which may also play a factor in the general feeling from many analysts (Brady is the most outspoken on this) that QBs are getting worse at reading defenses and needing more dumbed down systems
 

50PoundHead said:
Kollock should be second in that series. We don't have any idea how Kollock fared leading the scout team, but I have to believe his ceiling is higher than the Shikenjanski's, Merdinger's, and Wittke's.
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Maybe, maybe not but for him to come back we would almost certainly have to force someone else out because we are at 6 QB on the roster without him.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Don't disagree, I mean that was the way it was done for years.

Stockton and Simpson were both really highly rated out of high school which might have made them more confident in being the heir apparent at Georgia and Alabama.

For less highly rated QBs in this current era they may be better off going to a lower level school and proving they can play as opposed to riding a power 4 bench and hoping to get the shot eventually.

I'm all for players developing and earning their shot but unfortunately that is becoming a thing of the past as players want to play right away and teams also have the ability to bring in experienced players from other schools to jump in front of recruits on the depth chart.
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On the last part, if that’s the case, then you aren’t going to be fit to be a qb anywhere. It’s the coaches job to do that and yours to compete.

For whatever reason, we’ve effectively conditioned to making qb like this. Starts in hs with guys leaving school and going all over so not surprising it continues. It’s overall bad for the sport imo and probably hurts way more kids than it helps, not that the fans or ncaa really care as long as it works for their team (this is not directed at you, but a general comment on how we’ve gotten here)
 

MNVCGUY said:
Maybe, maybe not but for him to come back we would almost certainly have to force someone else out because we are at 6 QB on the roster without him.
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That's likely true. I don't know what the staff told him in the post-season meeting and perhaps his decision to enter the portal is based on that conversation.

I'm not going to question players' decision-making processes, but I thought it was a premature jump on Kollock's part unless it was made clear to him that he's buried on the depth chart. He was recruited as a promising QB prospect and he knew he was going to redshirt (or maybe he didn't), but like GreasyGopher wrote, there's no book on Kollock right now and unless he goes the MAC (or similar) route he will likely end up in the same position that he's in right now.
 

GreasyGopher said:
Nobody has any idea what he can do on a college football field and that’s the problem for QBs in his position. Stay at your current school and hope that your number is called when you’re an upperclassman OR go out to a lower level and put something on film. No one is taking an upperclassman that’s never played a snap in the portal.

Maybe he never makes it back but at least he’s in the fight. Can’t win the fight if you never step in the ring.

Just because you can name a few exceptions doesn’t mean they demonstrate the rule. QB recruiting has changed for the exact reason that you mentioned. There are only so many QB spots available to risk sitting around without film and giving your current school the opportunity to recruit over you when “your time” comes.

Also, I wouldn’t say there’s any “hand wringing” going on. The discussion is nowhere near that level.
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If the goal is to play for a P4 team I still think you’re better off waiting and learning the system. Committing to one only to transfer out with the hopes of coming back is the worst way to go about it. Might as well just commit to the lower level from the beginning. Yes the P4 schools will try to recruit over you at times, but I’d argue all FBS schools and even some FCS schools can and will be doing that now.
 

upnorthkid said:
He’s a mid tier rs fr with middle of the road P5 offers who’s never played at the college level. If you’re afraid of that, you’re in the wrong sport.

TBH I don’t really see the reason for hand wringing over him.
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I don’t think anyone is really hand wringing over him, especially with the addition of Merdinger. This is more just a discussion on what happens when a fairly high rated prospect that hasn’t played enters the portal.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Pretty sure that you forfeit your scholarship when you go into the portal. Team has to take you back if you want to come out of the portal and return, but they don't have to if they don't want to.

I think scholarships are year to year so if you try to play games with it the team can just not renew your scholarship for the next season.

Edit - at least that is how I think this stuff works but will freely admit that I could be completely wrong because it is all so friggin confusing these days.
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As far as I know, the B1G still requires its institutions to honor 4 years of scholarship, rather than year to year. I don't know how the portal interplays with that rule.
 


swede2 said:
As far as I know, the B1G still requires its institutions to honor 4 years of scholarship, rather than year to year. I don't know how the portal interplays with that rule.
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Portal must void the agreement because otherwise players could just constantly put their name in the portal and pull back out when they don't get a better offer.

Going into the portal signifies you want to transfer to a different school so would make sense the old school would no longer be required to honor your scholarship.
 

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