Curt Cignetti

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GopherGrit said:
Neither the 2024 IU team nor the 2025 IU team with just swapping Mendoza and Rourke, beats Iowa, Oregon, or Penn State from the 2025 schedule.

9-3 is still historically great for IU ... not that history means a single thing now ... but that's not CFP and no one is talking about it.
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So step one is to assume in some alternate reality he would have won less game. Then, if we take that assumption as fact, we have to acknowledge that less wins would be less impressive than becoming the undefeated B1G champ and steamrolling Bama en route to a berth in the semis. And, based on the assumption that he could have done worse had he not done well, we go on to claim that he is not actually as good as he seems?

That is an interesting spin on the SEC hypothetical wins analysis.

But, I will grant you that I would find Cignetti less impressive if he had less success than he actually has had. So this round goes to you!
 

MinneNoVA said:
Everyone makes mistakes, me included. It's the ability to acknowledge making a mistake that separates someone with real intestinal fortitude from the narcissists.
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I agree a 1000%.

I was just impressed by the breadth and depth of your reply😀
 

Ope3 said:
Just to be clear, none of my posts have been anti-Cignetti. I think he IS a genius.

I was hoping that Indiana lost to Alabama, but that has nothing to do with what I think of him. Until proven otherwise, dude walks on water as far as I am concerned.
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Fair enough...I'll take you at your word. I interpreted some of your earlier posts as being ant-Cignetti.
 

GopherGrit said:
Neither the 2024 IU team nor the 2025 IU team with just swapping Mendoza and Rourke, beats Iowa, Oregon, or Penn State from the 2025 schedule.

9-3 is still historically great for IU ... not that history means a single thing now ... but that's not CFP and no one is talking about it.
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As far as I can tell, he's only lost two games while at IU. Where are you getting 9-3?
 



MinneNoVA said:
Fair enough...I'll take you at your word. I interpreted some of your earlier posts as being ant-Cignetti.
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I admit I have been totally trying to bust GG's chops on the topic so I can see how that would be the case misconstruing my comments as sarcastic.

However, I totally revere/respect Cignetti (other than whatever role he has had with a pushover Non-Conference schedule).

GG is on an island of very few, perhaps 1.
 



Ope3 said:
I admit I have been totally trying to bust GG's chops on the topic so I can see how that would be the case misconstruing my comments as sarcastic.

However, I totally revere/respect Cignetti (other than whatever role he has had with a pushover Non-Conference schedule).

GG is on an island of very few, perhaps 1.
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All good. I haven't seen GG since my rather long but thorough post. He must be running around with his tail between his legs!
 





interesting article on Cig’s contract details. He signed that big deal in sept., but it looks like after the win over bama they have to do a “good faith market review” which has to offer a top 3 salary (moved with lane to lsu??)
 







GopherGrit said:
Neither the 2024 IU team nor the 2025 IU team with just swapping Mendoza and Rourke, beats Iowa, Oregon, or Penn State from the 2025 schedule.

9-3 is still historically great for IU ... not that history means a single thing now ... but that's not CFP and no one is talking about it.
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Disagree the biggest difference for IU this year is the defense. O'Rourke would have done just fine in this offense as well
 

USAF said:
Why?

Some of you have such a built in need to knee jerk defend MN/PJ it's almost comical.
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Are you mad because we didn't invest in the program in 2019 the way IU did for Cignatti about halfway through the 2024 season and even further more in the off season?
 

The Deliberate Stranger said:
It's next to last among the schools who report it and something tells me USC and Penn State have bigger budgets than we do. Gooherchase can't accept reality even on days like today where it kicks you in the ass
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You’re referencing paid amounts not budget, dummy. Our paid amount likely to go down further.
 

PMWinSTP said:
Go look at his success at every level. Like he said "Google me, all I do is win." As a college HC at multiple levels, he has never had a losing season in 15 years. His teams have been nationally ranked 12 of those 15 years.
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Crown him king if you'd like. I'm not ready yet even if they do win the national title...which I think and hope they do. A lot of their success is him, but it might not be all him. He may have finally gotten a little lucky too - Mendoza is absolutely amazing, mega wealthy donors available to step up, etc. Success is often that way - smarts, hard work and some luck too. We'll have to see over the next few years.
 




Schnauzer said:
Amazing job of putting a championship-quality team together in ONE SEASON at a traditional doormat like INDIANA! And then to turn around and arguably be BETTER in season two? I would think Cignetti would be on any coaching hire radar. That is the crappy part of this. Even as Indiana as reached new heights, now their fans get to be reminded every day that they are not a blue blood and how soon will this school or that school will hire their successful coach away from them.

It is such a special thing when a transformational coach decides to stick around and uplift an entire program. Of all places to actually get a long term solution with a great coach staying around to lift the whole program, it had to be those Badgers.

I too was hoping Fleck would be our guy (maybe he still can be that). Young and brash and some very successful early seasons with Western Michigan and Minnesota. But, we seem to have settled into a long term pattern of 5-7 to 8-4 now. 2019 is fading into the rear view mirror very quickly. When you look at that season with the context that has been provided since, it seems like pure luck had its say in being able to win all those early season non conference games that felt like sure defeats at the time. CrAB's 4th down corner TD catch vs Fresno State. The final come from behind drive vs Georgia Southern converting 3rd and 4th and long deep in Gopher territory. Even the SD State game was a bit dicey at the end.

While a couple of the Gopher 8-4/7-5 seasons could have easily have been 9-3 or 10-2, given context it feels like 2019 NOT being 8-4 feels more like the outlier.
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How many seasons 2021-present have the gophers been healthy at both RB and QB the whole year?
(I believe just 2024)

Now that’s just an excuse.
But it could explain why the new high has been 8-4 rather than 10-2


If you look at 2017-present….I think 2025 is the outlier year in that they were mostly non competitive in the losses.
 

GophersInIowa said:
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I have seen this video.
Which is one philosophy

Also saw the Oregon coach say something along the lines of him and his assistants will have time to sleep when they’re dead

Another philosophy




The difference might be that Oregon coaching staff consumes more Zyn
 


Gopherchase said:
You’re referencing paid amounts not budget, dummy. Our paid amount likely to go down further.
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Nope it's the budget, You do know when we don't quote on quote pay our budget the money goes into analyst and support roles. If we had an additional 3-4 million like our alleged peer Iowa we wouldn't be turning over 4-5 coaches a year and we wouldn't lose coordinators the second somebody else wants. Or our running back coach to our rival we have beaten four of the last five years
 

Indiana basketball was the last undefeated national champion in ‘75-‘76. It would be quite the daily double if the football Hoosiers were the first to finish 16-0.
 


The Deliberate Stranger said:
Nope it's the budget, You do know when we don't quote on quote pay our budget the money goes into analyst and support roles. If we had an additional 3-4 million like our alleged peer Iowa we wouldn't be turning over 4-5 coaches a year and we wouldn't lose coordinators the second somebody else wants. Or our running back coach to our rival we have beaten four of the last five years
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OK, genius if you or anybody else can provide definitive evidence that PJ sits there with a 12 highest salary in the conference but continues to roll forward having the 17th or 18th BuDGET (not paid amount) for the assistant coaches pool I’ll continue to come on the site to get information and intel but won’t ever post again. Since I’ve refuted that probably on here 100 times I guess if I’ve been dead wrong 100 times then I ought to lose my posting privileges.
 

The Deliberate Stranger said:
Nope it's the budget, You do know when we don't quote on quote pay our budget the money goes into analyst and support roles. If we had an additional 3-4 million like our alleged peer Iowa we wouldn't be turning over 4-5 coaches a year and we wouldn't lose coordinators the second somebody else wants. Or our running back coach to our rival we have beaten four of the last five years
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And if you don’t think that a good share of the 50 or so assistant coaches who have left since PJ’s been our head coach did so because they were sick of RTB, then you’re just lying to yourself. Neither Mason nor Kill had anywhere near this level of turnover and from listening to everybody on here for 50 years we’ve had a shitty assistant coach budget.
 

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