How to fix the College Football Playoff: Format, schedule changes necessary with expansion on the horizon

There's also 2 games tomorrow which will be largely ignored while much larger audiences tune into the NFL.
I don't know if it will be ignored. I will agree that it won't have more stand alone viewers, but I would assume majority of America will be like me and flip back between channels depending on what game is better.

My main viewing will be the college playoffs because there is more at stake.
 

I don't know if it will be ignored. I will agree that it won't have more stand alone viewers, but I would assume majority of America will be like me and flip back between channels depending on what game is better.

My main viewing will be the college playoffs because there is more at stake.

I said largely ignored, but not completely. Look at last year for example:


I think ESPN saw the writing on the wall with having to go head-to-head with the NFL and took cash from TNT-TBS and farmed them out. Also punted on Saturday Prime Time this year.

That's just my speculation.

Last year NFL outdrew CFP 2 to 1 in the same time window. Maybe 4 to 1 tomorrow with the Bears-Packers on FOX?
 

I said largely ignored, but not completely. Look at last year for example:


I think ESPN saw the writing on the wall with having to go head-to-head with the NFL and took cash from TNT-TBS and farmed them out. Also punted on Saturday Prime Time this year.

That's just my speculation.

Last year NFL outdrew CFP 2 to 1 in the same time window. Maybe 4 to 1 tomorrow with the Bears-Packers on FOX?
ESPN has Duke vs Texas Tech H2H with NFL and CFP tomorrow night at 7pm
Maryland and Virginia at 5pm
Memphis and Miss St at 3pm

CBS has a triple header of Men's basketball

Sports, Sports, Sports, no problem finding sports.

There is a Bowl game today being played at 10am with the Mrytle Beach Bowl.
 

What do you mean they didn’t belong there?
Did you watch the Penn state vs Boise game? Or just the box score.
One no call away from being a one score game in the 4th
This horseshoes/ handgrenades argument for Boise may have been compelling if Penn State had won the championship. But (predictably) they didn’t. They were right there on the bubble of 8/9th best.

The point is that 12 is plenty. But if you’re even remotely decent at selecting the teams you should be able to select 8 teams outside of which any other team would have pretty much zero probability of winning three in a row.
 

Why do you want to eliminate 16-17% of college football games?
One of the games is crap. The other helps the calendar. Does anyone want to see NW state/Gophers? Or tOSU vs Grambling? Or Alabama vs ULM.

There is only downside for your team. Plus fans don’t want to pay and coaches don’t want to play.
 


March madness should go down to 16, maybe 8 using this logic...because upsets never happen.
The whole point of the NCAA’s basketball torment is to create Cinderella stories in sport where there is very little interest outside of the postseason.

College football is the opposite.

The mission of the CFP is to select a champion. That was the “problem” with the old model that they were trying to solve for. Revenue is already very high and interest in the regular season is already overwhelming.
 

One of the games is crap. The other helps the calendar. Does anyone want to see NW state/Gophers? Or tOSU vs Grambling? Or Alabama vs ULM.

There is only downside for your team. Plus fans don’t want to pay and coaches don’t want to play.
You think the buy game is the one going away? lol
 

This horseshoes/ handgrenades argument for Boise may have been compelling if Penn State had won the championship. But (predictably) they didn’t. They were right there on the bubble of 8/9th best.

The point is that 12 is plenty. But if you’re even remotely decent at selecting the teams you should be able to select 8 teams outside of which any other team would have pretty much zero probability of winning three in a row.
They aren’t remotely decent at it
 

I’ll never understand people that want fewer teams in the playoffs and less football. Especially as Gopher fans.
1. The Texas/tOSU game at the start of the season had significantly less meaning than it would have had 10-15 years ago. The loser of that game would have needed to run the table and get some luck in order to compete for the national championship. Now it's more like a mulligan for the loser.

2. So what if we get in? This isn't college basketball where you can get hot and win the thing. The best we'd do is maybe win a game then get pummeled.

I like the old way, even if it aint comin' back.
 



For those of you think the playoffs are too big... it is December 19 and tonight we can watch Oklahoma vs. Alabama. That is a heck of a lot more fun than watching two random schools playing in the whatevercompany.com Birmingham Bowl, etc.
It depends on perspective. I don't like the fact that those two teams are even allowed to compete for the national championship.

Alabama has THREE loses for crying out loud. I would much rather watch a random bowl game than a 3 loss Alabama team compete for another championship.

Watching 'bama get kicked around by Florida State in week 1 was awesome. The fact they are still in it for the championship means I wasted my time watching that game because the loss didn't screw over their season like it normally would.

Again, different perspectives. Not trying to argue. Enjoy the system you like while it's here. Mine is long gone.
 

but there are 15-20 teams who are playing for their lives and with a win and another team losing may get to that coveted 12th spot.

Yeah, but the point me and @Ope3 are trying to make is that it was more fun when those teams were already eliminated because by mid November you always, always knew who the best 3-4 were. So then those "15-20" like you mention were just jockeying for a better bowl. Some of us loved that.

If anything getting more teams involved in the playoffs increases the competitiveness of the regular season.
...but when you know they are gonna get curb-stomped in the playoffs- Nevermind, just different perspectives. You'll never see it my way, I'll never see it your way.
 


I thought when twelve teams made the playoffs, that would be a happy medium.
And so far, it looks like the coaches and fans as well are still upset. If they have
sixteen teams next year, people will still Pi^^ and moan and groan about that.
Good luck to whoever can ever find a solution to this problem. Otherwise, Merry Christmas
to all the great Gopher fans.
I don’t think most people are upset with the 12 team format, they are upset that the CFP committee was influenced to keep Alabama in, which led to the higher ranked Notre Dame being left out.
 



...but when you know they are gonna get curb-stomped in the playoffs- Nevermind, just different perspectives. You'll never see it my way, I'll never see it your way.
I literally laughed outloud at this... I agree... there is no right or wrong in this debate. I love the idea of a 12 team playoff. I am not crazy about it getting bigger.

I think where the issue is with the current playoffs is the committee. I wish they would just say SEC gets 3 teams, Big Ten gets 3 teams, ACC gets 2 teams, etc (not tied to those numbers, that is just as example) and the conferences can figure out how they determine the 3 best.
 

It’d be easier to set up a playoff if you had conferences that made sense. Should have 12 conferences of similar sizes. Ideally they’d be regional.
 


ESPN has Duke vs Texas Tech H2H with NFL and CFP tomorrow night at 7pm
Maryland and Virginia at 5pm
Memphis and Miss St at 3pm

CBS has a triple header of Men's basketball

Sports, Sports, Sports, no problem finding sports.

There is a Bowl game today being played at 10am with the Mrytle Beach Bowl.

No sports on KSTP-Ch 5 tomorrow night.

Despite all the sports properties Disney/ESPN-ABC own rights to, their main Network (ABC) which has shown Prime Time College football every Saturday since Labor Day weekend (including a bottom tier Bowl last week) is opting to re-air a Kevin Costner holiday special along with Shifting Gears. The latter is a Tim Allen sit-com tomorrow.
 


It would if you play 10 games.
If they play 10 games they aren’t losing a buy game

They go from 12 to 10 and they’re going to all need the home game that a buy game brings to everyone.
They’d have 5 home games some years and 6 in some (vs almost always 7)
If you lose the buy game some teams would never get 6 home games.

You’re insane to think otherwise

I don’t think it’s likely to go from 7 to 6 games.
It’s definitely not going to 5
 

I know this won't be popular and I also know it would never happen but if I were the commissioner of college football and I was tasked with coming up with a playoff format my goal would be to:
1. Keep the regular season important
2. Keep the conference championships important
3. Remove any byes

Thus my rules would be:
1. Each conference gets an auto-bid.
2. Conferences must have at least 10 schools and play a conference championship game (creates a defacto play-in game for some teams)
3. Total number of playoff spots would be the next even number that is rounded up from the number of auto-bids. So this year it is 9 auto-bids and 7 at-large
4. First two rounds are at campus sites of higher seeds.

2025 auto-bids: Tulane, James Madison, Indiana, Georgia, Texas Tech, Duke, Kennesaw State, Boise State, Western Michigan
2025 at-large: Ohio State, Oregon, Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Alabama, Miami

I don't care if Indiana would pound the piss out of Kennesaw State and if Ohio State would whip Western Michigan. I like giving the smaller schools a seat at the table. March Madness isn't hurt by having the 16-seeds offered up as a sacrificial lamb.
College conferences are roughly equivalent to NFL divisions. So indeed, winning the division is important because it gets you an automatic top 4 seed on that side of the bracket.

I like that and want to enforce the equivalent in college.

But you don't need to play a separate conference championship game to do that.


Just like NFL divisions don't play eight special game after the regular season between the top two teams in the division to determine for good an all who won the division each year.

You just go by rules, and that's just fine.
 

If they play 10 games they aren’t losing a buy game

They go from 12 to 10 and they’re going to all need the home game that a buy game brings to everyone.
They’d have 5 home games some years and 6 in some (vs almost always 7)
If you lose the buy game some teams would never get 6 home games.

You’re insane to think otherwise

I don’t think it’s likely to go from 7 to 6 games.
It’s definitely not going to 5
Agree, 10 is the limit for a 12 game cap because 10 is 5 home games per year and then you do two guaranteed games.

How it should be, honestly, for a 12 game cap. 5/5 consistency each year, plus two should be wins against non-P4 teams. (Would ban playing FCS teams as well)
 

But you don't need to play a separate conference championship game to do that
I could get behind that more if the conferences were smaller so everyone played equivalent schedules. But with 18 team conference there is too much disparity to crown a champion without a championship game.
 

Agree, 10 is the limit for a 12 game cap because 10 is 5 home games per year and then you do two guaranteed games.

How it should be, honestly, for a 12 game cap. 5/5 consistency each year, plus two should be wins against non-P4 teams. (Would ban playing FCS teams as well)
I think the most you could see is 11 conference games + 1 buy game

Would really eliminate anything that isn’t a buy game IMO

10 more likely
 

I could get behind that more if the conferences were smaller so everyone played equivalent schedules. But with 18 team conference there is too much disparity to crown a champion without a championship game.
In such leagues, you're talking about that the best three schools from the league get into the playoff already anyway ... and with a 16 team playoff, probably top 4 will make it.

No conf champ game needed.
 




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