Michigan State is working to hire Cardinals DL coach Winston DeLattiboudere to the same role.

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LesBolstad said:
Not convinced assistant coaches make much of a difference.

Akin to a $1,000,000/year accountant vs. a $150,000 one. You'd likely get the same result if they both did your books.
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This is true as long as you're on the up and up.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I liked Gibbs as he seemed happy to go crazy and roll the dice / stack the box and dare folks to throw.

Granted he had Tyrone Carter back there to clean up after that kinda play. Very much roll of the dice defensive system. If TC isn't back there I think things would have been very different.
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He also had two great passing rushing DL in Riley and Schlecht. Blitzing is less effective if you're less worried about leaving guys 1-on-1.

Oddly enough, I thought one of our problems this year is that we occasionally were too exotic in our blitzing. The Rutgers game was maddening with the number of times we got caught on a draw on 3rd and 8+.
 

LesBolstad said:
Not convinced assistant coaches make much of a difference.

Akin to a $1,000,000/year accountant vs. a $150,000 one. You'd likely get the same result if they both did your books.
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But the $1,000,000.00 accountant most likely has a nicer pen for you to sign your documents with.;)
 

MaxyJR1 said:
$$$ is still bigger at MSU. For me it's

1. Money
2. Fleck wasn't interested.

I don't know if I'm excited about either of those scenarios.
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2 is related to 1. PJ wasn't interested because he knows we can't be competitive with our offer
 

In today's college football, a high dollar DL coach might be worth it if they are also a great recruiter or take on some other important role. A $1M DL specialist seems like a waste of dollars.
 




GophersInIowa said:
Your position coach makes a big difference IMO. Not just football knowledge but building close relationships. Usually a player spends more time with their position coach than any other coach.
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I agree with this. Player development and recruiting are most important.
I'm saying all things being equal, the game day play calls- what blitz, scheme etc aren't much if any different from the $2,000,000 coord vs the 600k one
 

LesBolstad said:
I agree with this. Player development and recruiting are most important.
I'm saying all things being equal, the game day play calls- what blitz, scheme etc aren't much if any different from the $2,000,000 coord vs the 600k one
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I wonder how much recruiting skill is needed now that money does so much of the talking.
 



LesBolstad said:
I agree with this. Player development and recruiting are most important.
I'm saying all things being equal, the game day play calls- what blitz, scheme etc aren't much if any different from the $2,000,000 coord vs the 600k one
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Except the amount of experience the $2MM coordinator has vs. the internship program PJ is running for the top position this year.

At some point more money is just more money, but when the pay gap is that large, there is usually an experience gap that goes along with it.

But hey, in three years time, Danny will be ready to be a D coordinator in the B1G, so 2029 - we're comin'. That won't hurt us at all.

Where PJ's chart when you need it?
 

btowngopher said:
I wonder how much recruiting skill is needed now that money does so much of the talking.
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Still have to determine fit and project how a guy is going to develop. That part of recruiting hasn't changed and there is a definite skill involved in being right on players in order to avoid as many wasted scholarships as possible.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Still have to determine fit and project how a guy is going to develop. That part of recruiting hasn't changed and there is a definite skill involved in being right on players in order to avoid as many wasted scholarships as possible.
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There is still convincing parents of fit. There is still convincing of potential fit to get them to the next level. Recruiting still has to balance school and football.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
There is still convincing parents of fit. There is still convincing of potential fit to get them to the next level. Recruiting still has to balance school and football.
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Feels like some posters view recruiting like putting together a fantasy roster and just assume players will go to the highest bidder.

And while that might be true in some cases, Fleck is unlikely to be recruiting a lot of guys who are just interested in $$$.

Revenue sharing, NIL, Pay for Play.....have all added more layers of complexity to recruiting but a big part of it is still identifying talent and establishing relationships with recruits and families.
 





alaska said:
is it out of the realm to just give Winston the DC job and be done with it?
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He's not going to MSU with any DC title or responsibilities (If he goes there at all). Seems odd that Fleck would pull the plug on his DC to give it to someone else that has never called a defense.
 

alaska said:
is it out of the realm to just give Winston the DC job and be done with it?
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It’s interesting people assume Collins wasn’t ready to be DC but assume Winston is?
They’ve both been position coaches.

At this point Collins is by far more qualified to be DC than WD
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He's not going to MSU with any DC title or responsibilities (If he goes there at all). Seems odd that Fleck would pull the plug on his DC to give it to someone else that has never called a defense.
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btowngopher said:
I wonder how much recruiting skill is needed now that money does so much of the talking.
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Well yeah you need recruiting skill.

You are recruiting against programs with similar budgets and NILs, etc. It is likely the money offers are going to be close or we might be a little less. So, that's where the recruiting skill comes in. Maybe more important that ever.
 

Some guy said:
It’s interesting people assume Collins wasn’t ready to be DC but assume Winston is?
They’ve both been position coaches.

At this point Collins is by far more qualified to be DC than WD
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Well, it depends. You’re comparing a hobbit with somebody who probably played 2000 snaps in the Big Ten. I think that matters.
 


Some guy said:
Got it.
Snaps matters

We should hire OJ Simpson as RB coach
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Real life experiences matter, which is why the subset of guys on here like you that I’m pretty sure didn’t even play high school ball but pretend to be able to break things down and opine on who’s a more qualified coordinator crack me up. Guys like Winston and Rallis are the type of guys that we really could use around here on the coaching staff. I’d even be able to deal with ol number 55 had he gone and earned his stripes somewhere else for four or five years rather than have been given a full coaching spot before he was possibly ready.
 


Gopherchase said:
Real life experiences matter, which is why the subset of guys on here like you that I’m pretty sure didn’t even play high school ball but pretend to be able to break things down and opine on who’s a more qualified coordinator crack me up. Guys like Winston and Rallis are the type of guys that we really could use around here on the coaching staff. I’d even be able to deal with ol number 55 had he gone and earned his stripes somewhere else for four or five years rather than have been given a full coaching spot before he was possibly ready.
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You should try pretending to have a fully developed brain

You want WD back as DC even though he has had no experience
But you think MSM is unqualified because no experience.

In the same post lol

You’re correct it would be good to have an nfl coordinator on staff. I wonder why fleck hasn’t thought to steal coordinators from the nfl. You should email him
 

Gopherchase said:
Real life experiences matter, which is why the subset of guys on here like you that I’m pretty sure didn’t even play high school ball but pretend to be able to break things down and opine on who’s a more qualified coordinator crack me up. Guys like Winston and Rallis are the type of guys that we really could use around here on the coaching staff. I’d even be able to deal with ol number 55 had he gone and earned his stripes somewhere else for four or five years rather than have been given a full coaching spot before he was possibly ready.
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Okay Biff
 

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Some guy said:
You should try pretending to have a fully developed brain

You want WD back as DC even though he has had no experience
But you think MSM is unqualified because no experience.

In the same post lol

You’re correct it would be good to have an nfl coordinator on staff. I wonder why fleck hasn’t thought to steal coordinators from the nfl. You should email him
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WD went out and learned outside of where he played akin to a family owned company requiring the kids to work outside the company before they can come back into the fold. After this year it’s pretty clear any learning curve he might have would be no greater than 5’3’s plus he’s a recruiting savant. Upside is way higher.
 

Gopherchase said:
WD went out and learned outside of where he played akin to a family owned company requiring the kids to work outside the company before they can come back into the fold. After this year it’s pretty clear any learning curve he might have would be no greater than 5’3’s plus he’s a recruiting savant. Upside is way higher.
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coincidentally 53 is also the upside for measuring your IQ




WD may be the next Nick saban.
That does not take away from the fact that your analysis is comical
 

Some guy said:
coincidentally 53 is also the upside for measuring your IQ




WD may be the next Nick saban.
That does not take away from the fact that your analysis is comical
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Just keep on passing along your (bad) takes it’s good to be able to LOL from time to time.
 

Gopherchase said:
Just keep on passing along your (bad) takes it’s good to be able to LOL from time to time.
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Just keep doing your hot takes. Eventually you’ll make a friend (online)

You’re the coolest guy I’ve seen on this board. It’s going to work out for you eventually.
 

Some guy said:
Just keep doing your hot takes. Eventually you’ll make a friend (online)

You’re the coolest guy I’ve seen on this board. It’s going to work out for you eventually.
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That account can't be a real person. Has to either be a bit or a troll.
 

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