Curt Cignetti

Is anyone criticizing Indiana as a villain outside of this website? I’ve legitimately not heard this take anywhere except here and I listen to a handful of national pods.
Villain might not be the right word but they definitely aren't being viewed the way a typical underdog story would be and the only real reason I can see for that is that Cignetti comes across like an ahole in interviews.
 

How much NIL does Indiana have relative to others?

So much of this seemingly incredible story depends on this.
 

Who is calling him a villain ON this website


Calling him arrogant isn’t an insult. It’s just a fact.
That’s fine. Great season, great coach

The post right before yours said some were calling them villains. Cignetti is detail-oriented unlike you. Like I said, this is literally the only place I’ve seen Indiana described that way.

Go ahead (sigh).
 

Absolutely not true. After folks bailing on him and FAMILY repeatedly, he went young and dumb for those roles. You saw the results this year.
They bailed to get paid more, sure he could afford a bit more expensive coaches than he has now, but not enough to hire elite coordinators and position coaches on both sides of the ball.
 

Villain might not be the right word but they definitely aren't being viewed the way a typical underdog story would be and the only real reason I can see for that is that Cignetti comes across like an ahole in interviews.

I’m not really seeing any coverage of them that way barring his introductory thing at the game where he boasted he’d take down the big boys…and got the roll eyes. I’m seeing almost 100% laudatory coverage of the team and coach starting last season. I have strong feeling about some coaches as well.
 



Maybe PJ has to take a cut in salary like Campbell at Iowa State, so that his assistants get paid more. The OC and DC have been with Indiana coach for ever..
 

The post right before yours said some were calling them villains. Cignetti is detail-oriented unlike you. Like I said, this is literally the only place I’ve seen Indiana described that way.

Go ahead (sigh).
That person didn’t say he thought they were a villain

He said some people do. I haven’t seen one.

Have you?
 





To which I said this is the only site I’ve seen that. Are you having trouble understanding my language?
Seen what?
People talking about how other people think they’re a villain?

Have you seen anyone on here say they’re a villain?


I havent?
 






Interesting. My guess is PJ sits there at 45 years old with a gazillion dollars in the bank thinking anyone who criticizes him and his philosophy just doesn’t get it. I don’t think he’s smart enough nor will he be inclined to change his philosophies the results will continue to be middling.
I think he’ll become more wide open if he decides he wants a legacy of over-achievement and giant killing. If he is good with a legacy of winning seasons (7-5, 8-4), without any upside shockers, he’s already there and can cruise along to legacy wealth and a career in broadcasting after coaching. Csn’t really lose either way.
 

Yep.

His assistants mostly all came up with him from JMU. None of them “got paid” until their incredible year 1 run. As any staff should be. They performed and were rewarded after the fact.
Not all programs are able or willing to reward to the same degree however.
 



Who has said they’re a villain
Literally on page one of this very thread:

"Perhaps his greatest accomplishment is being so off putting that he has made Indiana into a villain of sorts when they should be a feel good story of a downtrodden program finding success"
 

If Cignetti was some genius, then he would have accomplished much more, much earlier in his career.

Not a single one of his worshippers has been able to address this point.

He's the luckiest guy on Earth in college football, at the moment. Good for him.



Any school (including Minnesota) can upjump itself if you go spend a bunch of money for great players, including the Heisman winner.

DUH!
If the University of Minnesota had a billionaire backer and went 13-0 on the season, GopherHolers would want a Fleck statue be built with a phallus the size of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
 
Last edited:

Literally on page one of this very thread:

"Perhaps his greatest accomplishment is being so off putting that he has made Indiana into a villain of sorts when they should be a feel good story of a downtrodden program finding success"
Who said that?
Thanks for bumping it though that’s all I was asking PE to do.
 

Perhaps his greatest accomplishment is being so off putting that he has made Indiana into a villain of sorts when they should be a feel good story of a downtrodden program finding success. :)

Lot of season left but based on Indiana and Ohio State's remaining schedules it will be pretty shocking if it is not them squaring off for the conference title.
Found it @Pompous Elitist and @USAF

You’re two are right. One person does think they’re a villain and I guess I disagree with his take
 

You again are confusing effectiveness with aggression
It’s about season-long mindset that carries through in every game for me. Same as Parker’s defense in Iowa. The aggressive mindset, from the HC on down, pervades the team’s confidence and approach to the game. It manifests in blowouts of lesser opponents and even those with whom you are arguably closely matched. And it manifests as steely determination and confidence and fight in games you are supposed to lose. I think focused and determined aggression aids in effective execution. I think that tentative mindset and a fear of making mistakes manifests as ineffectiveness against opponents thought to be if a higher pedigree.

No need for us agree. But I am not confused. I have a considered opinion but recognize that it is just an opinion. I know well that I am an ultracrepidarian—that’s why I am on GopherHole!
 

If the University of Minnesota had a billionaire backer and went 13-0 on the season, GopherHoler's would want a Fleck statue be built with a phallus the size of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
How else would the legend live on from the Chippewa on down?
 

It’s about season-long mindset that carries through in every game for me. Same as Parker’s defense in Iowa. The aggressive mindset, from the HC on down, pervades the team’s confidence and approach to the game. It manifests in blowouts of lesser opponents and even those either which you are arguably closely matched. And it manifests as steely determination and confidence and fight in games you are supposed to lose. I think focused and determined aggression aids in effective execution. I think that tentative mindset and a fear of making mistakes manifests as ineffectiveness against opponents thought to be if a higher pedigree.

No need for us agree. But I am not confused. I have a considered opinion but recognize that it is just an opinion. I know well that I am an ultracrepidarian—that’s why I am in GopherHole!
Phil Parker runs one of the most conservative defenses in the country? What are you even talking about
 


Phil Parker runs one of the most conservative defenses in the country? What are you even talking about
His defense has a steely, determined, confident mindset. It is very opportunistic. It gets turnovers. Aggressive doesn’t just mean scheme. It is mindset. Look, we just aren’t going to agree, mostly I suspect on semantic grounds. I feel a palpable difference in the mindset and confidence level whenever we play Iowa. You are focused on one word: aggression, which you take to mean a certain style of play calling. I’m talking about a coaching mindset that trickles down through the coordinators and coaches to the players. For me, aggressive vs tentative mindset describes it. For you, it doesn’t. I’ll try to find another word one of these days.
 

His defense has a steely, determined, confident mindset. It is very opportunistic. It gets turnovers. Aggressive doesn’t just mean scheme. It is mindset. Look, we just aren’t going to agree, mostly I suspect on semantic grounds. I feel a palpable difference in the mindset and confidence level whenever we play Iowa. You are focused on one word: aggression, which you take to mean a certain style of play calling. I’m talking about a coaching mindset that trickles down through the coordinators and coaches to the players. For me, aggressive vs tentative mindset describes it. For you, it doesn’t. I’ll try to find another word one of these days.
lol okay


“Nothing matters they’re aggressive because i say they are”
-gophergrandpa
 

If the University of Minnesota had a billionaire backer and went 13-0 on the season, GopherHolers would want a Fleck statue be built with a phallus the size of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
If we beat Iowa, Michigan, Penn state and Wisconsin next year I will carve it by hand
 

They bailed to get paid more, sure he could afford a bit more expensive coaches than he has now, but not enough to hire elite coordinators and position coaches on both sides of the ball.
You don’t know anymore that it was money related than I know it was related to get away from all of PJ’s nonsense. I guess that’s probably fair. What I will say is we’re part of the Big Ten conference which gets paid a gazillion dollars split equally amongst each school. We have plenty of GD money to pay assistant coaches.
 




Top Bottom