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FanSinceTheFifties said:
There have been ten coaches between Warmath and Fleck. Is it possible that the head coach is not the only reason for the program's status. In fact, it's better now than under any of those ten.
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I understand, but should I be satisfied with that? When does success become mediocrity? All I'm asking is that his now becomes better.
 





I think I'm pretty safe in saying there's never been a Big Ten program in modern history that went from perennial doormat to national top 5-10 in the first two years of a coach's tenure. Cignetti is a total anomaly. It won't last.
 

For those of you who might be interested, read Stephen Ambrose's DDay. That's what American exceptionalism is all about.

Go Gophers!
 



Panthadad2 said:
I think I'm pretty safe in saying there's never been a Big Ten program in modern history that went from perennial doormat to national top 5-10 in the first two years of a coach's tenure. Cignetti is a total anomaly. It won't last.
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That’s not true.
Ohio state had Fickell and was a doormat and they went 12-0 the next year
 

A follow-up to my last post, the men who went on Omaha Beach were for the most part, 17, 18, and 19 years old. Let's accept better from our young men.
 

BroncoRedux said:
A follow-up to my last post, the men who went on Omaha Beach were for the most part, 17, 18, and 19 years old. Let's accept better from our young men.
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So because some heroes (amazing bravery) fought in WW2 (and many other wars) Gopher football should be better? Shouldn't all teams be better then? Why just the Gophers?
 

Word said:
So because some heroes (amazing bravery) fought in WW2 (and many other wars) Gopher football should be better? Shouldn't all teams be better then? Why just the Gophers?
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Because it's the team I support.
 


Word said:
So because some heroes (amazing bravery) fought in WW2 (and many other wars) Gopher football should be better? Shouldn't all teams be better then? Why just the Gophers?
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I think he’s saying that Fleck should have Nazis at practice pointing loaded weapons at the players to properly motivate them.
 


Panthadad2 said:
I think I'm pretty safe in saying there's never been a Big Ten program in modern history that went from perennial doormat to national top 5-10 in the first two years of a coach's tenure. Cignetti is a total anomaly. It won't last.
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Might last for a while, but doubt it will be replicated elsewhere for a long time. Cig is a unicorn ...
 


Gophergrandpa said:
Might last for a while, but doubt it will be replicated elsewhere for a long time. Cig is a unicorn ...
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He also basically brought an entire team with him. I'm not ripping the guy, he took advantage of the current landscape of college football, and good for him, and IU fans. I'll be very interested to see how it goes for them the next five years.
 

disco said:
He also basically brought an entire team with him. I'm not ripping the guy, he took advantage of the current landscape of college football, and good for him, and IU fans. I'll be very interested to see how it goes for them the next five years.
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You're acting he brought 2019 LSU with him. These kids were from mighty James Madison.
 

goonin_golden_gophers said:
Cig is like 20 years older than PJ, maybe at 64 he too will learn how to coach a qb centric / aggressive offense.
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When PJ has a school administration that suddenly decides that winning football is a priority... and finds someone with deep pockets who is willing to go out and spend 1.6 million to bring in a starting QB, maybe PJ won't have to go through a young QB's growing pains.

Cig's a great coach, and deserves his accolades... but he fell into a perfect situation for success. He's got a school that's decided to win on the gridiron, and a very rich alumnus who has made significant donations to the university... and wants a winning football team.
 

laazrakit said:
When PJ has a school administration that suddenly decides that winning football is a priority... and finds someone with deep pockets who is willing to go out and spend 1.6 million to bring in a starting QB, maybe PJ won't have to go through a young QB's growing pains.

Cig's a great coach, and deserves his accolades... but he fell into a perfect situation for success. He's got a school that's decided to win on the gridiron, and a very rich alumnus who has made significant donations to the university... and wants a winning football team.
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Well yeah, but...

...what about D-Day? Omaha Beach? 😉
 

laazrakit said:
When PJ has a school administration that suddenly decides that winning football is a priority... and finds someone with deep pockets who is willing to go out and spend 1.6 million to bring in a starting QB, maybe PJ won't have to go through a young QB's growing pains.

Cig's a great coach, and deserves his accolades... but he fell into a perfect situation for success. He's got a school that's decided to win on the gridiron, and a very rich alumnus who has made significant donations to the university... and wants a winning football team.
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I agree with everything you said, but he had to win, and win big before some of those rich alumni started donating. Cuban has said he had never donated to IU athletics before being convinced to meet with Cig last
December.
 


BroncoRedux said:
A follow-up to my last post, the men who went on Omaha Beach were for the most part, 17, 18, and 19 years old. Let's accept better from our young men.
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Wow. Yes, the lads at D-Day showed incredible bravery. The average age of the soldiers who participated that day was 22... so yes, very young. But they were certainly not mostly teenagers as you suggest. Since the minimum enlistment age was 18 during WW2, there were very, very few 17 year old kids there. But that aside, I still really hate it when people compare football, or any sport, to combat. It is nowhere near the same. Your logic is (I guess), since young people could storm the beach at Normandy successfully in 1944, then we should expect young people who put on a U of M football uniform to win the Big Ten in 2025. Okay then.
 

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