All Things 2025 Minnesota Vikings In-Season Thread

Vikes are 25 mill over the cap for 2026. #31 in NFL.
We are 16 mill under the cap this season and can roll that over to next season if don't use it.
Still, that would only move us up one spot to #30.

We can cut players to add cap space for next season, but dead money is usually involved that doesn't come off the books.

Less than ideal.
 

Vikes are 25 mill over the cap for 2026. #31 in NFL.
We are 16 mill under the cap this season and can roll that over to next season if don't use it.
Still, that would only move us up one spot to #30.

We can cut players to add cap space for next season, but dead money is usually involved that doesn't come off the books.

Less than ideal.

This has been kinda belabored here previously; a majority of the contracts that seemingly put the Vikings in this situation in 2026 are ones that can and will be easily restructured in the offseason. They were all set up that way with that expectation. There is no major cap concern for 2026

I'm much more concerned about what appears to be a coaching issue on the defense; Flores has been exposed through much of the last several years. High priced Free Agents, who had strong track records, have not performed like Allen and Hargrave.

At what point is the slower-than-desired development of players like Dallas Turner on the coaching staff and the DL coaches? You bring in a young player with elite talent/athleticism, the expectation is that he's going to get SOME coaching to bring out that talent. That is clearly not happening.

If Flores can't turn around the defense between now and January, the Vikings really need to think about some changes on that side of the ball next spring
 

This has been kinda belabored here previously; a majority of the contracts that seemingly put the Vikings in this situation in 2026 are ones that can and will be easily restructured in the offseason. They were all set up that way with that expectation. There is no major cap concern for 2026

I'm much more concerned about what appears to be a coaching issue on the defense; Flores has been exposed through much of the last several years. High priced Free Agents, who had strong track records, have not performed like Allen and Hargrave.

At what point is the slower-than-desired development of players like Dallas Turner on the coaching staff and the DL coaches? You bring in a young player with elite talent/athleticism, the expectation is that he's going to get SOME coaching to bring out that talent. That is clearly not happening.

If Flores can't turn around the defense between now and January, the Vikings really need to think about some changes on that side of the ball next spring

I hope so.

I am far from a salary cap savant, but teams oftentimes push money into the future. For example, the Vikes cap hit for our two "prize" dtackles this season is a total of $14 million. At least this is my understanding.

Money is then due down the road, so even if the Vikes cut Allen and Hargraves before next season there will still be a significant amount owed against the 2026 cap.

Again, I may be missing something here so will be happy to be corrected, but this is my understanding.
 

I hope so.

I am far from a salary cap savant, but teams oftentimes push money into the future. For example, the Vikes cap hit for our two "prize" dtackles this season is a total of $14 million. At least this is my understanding.

Money is then due down the road, so even if the Vikes cut Allen and Hargraves before next season there will still be a significant amount owed against the 2026 cap.

Again, I may be missing something here so will be happy to be corrected, but this is my understanding.
We are basically last in cap money.

Yep, we will restructure a few contracts and also cut some guys.........but so will every other team in the NFL.

We are in a world of hurt due to horrific drafting.
 

We are basically last in cap money.

Yep, we will restructure a few contracts and also cut some guys.........but so will every other team in the NFL.

We are in a world of hurt due to horrific drafting.

Yes, that is my understanding as well.

The Dallas Turner situation was a killer. We traded up twice to get him and gave up a boatload of picks (7) in the 2024, 2025 drafts.
(Also gave up a couple picks to get JJ for that matter ).

Will be a disaster of course if these two players are busts. But will be double disaster due to all the draft picks we sent out in order to move up and grab them.
 
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As for "fire sale" the tradable pieces I see:

-Jordan Addison-Yes if you can get a 1st round pick. Otherwise hold and trade in the off-season.

-Jalen Nailor.

-Aaron Jones-Minimal value. Hurt constantly.

-Hockenson. Doubt anyone would want him.

-Eric Wilson

-Hargrave or Allen-not sure it's doable due to the salary cap or if anyone wants them.
 

This has been kinda belabored here previously; a majority of the contracts that seemingly put the Vikings in this situation in 2026 are ones that can and will be easily restructured in the offseason. They were all set up that way with that expectation. There is no major cap concern for 2026

I'm much more concerned about what appears to be a coaching issue on the defense; Flores has been exposed through much of the last several years. High priced Free Agents, who had strong track records, have not performed like Allen and Hargrave.

At what point is the slower-than-desired development of players like Dallas Turner on the coaching staff and the DL coaches? You bring in a young player with elite talent/athleticism, the expectation is that he's going to get SOME coaching to bring out that talent. That is clearly not happening.

If Flores can't turn around the defense between now and January, the Vikings really need to think about some changes on that side of the ball next spring
they can be, but at some point you're also going to have to move the contracts or pay the piper on some of these guys.
Aaron Jones isn't going to change his deal in half or something, but I guess he could restructure to 2 years, 22mil or so but now you're on the books with him for another year with 11mil in
Ditto on Hock and given his now injury history, I don't see him taking a cut nor it making sense to prolong having him on the roster unless he's going to recover
Maybe Kelly medically retires to shed us some cap
Fries deal jumps 12mil next year and there's zero incentive for him to restructure a deal that goes 17, 21, 21, 21 the next 4
They're also going to have to look at whether or not they're extending Oneill and Darrisaw's cap hit jumps 14 mil as does JJs 23mil.
Gink is maybe one you could try spread it out for more years as he is still productive when healthy
Hargrave and Allen have both been meh and you're not going to save much other than prolong suffering with non-productive guys in their 30s by extending their years.
Murphy also jumps 10 mil and they need to decide what to do with Rodgers
Luckily Harry will finally fall off the books (I hope) or be at a massive discount

This team has a bunch of old dudes who aren't performing on multiyear deals. At some point we are going to have to pay for it or prolong having tight cap space. This team doesn't look like a contender right now with the injuries and the contracts get uglier next year or only more prolonged and unfortunately not many of them look like solid trade assets either to gain draft capital (is part of the issue of assembling a lot of guys through FA rather than the draft)

luckily we'll get some comp picks for next year which may make trying to move some contracts easier, but the productivity of some of these guys has been real rough. Allen, Hargreave, Hock, Jones, and Greenard to a lesser extent all have cap hits far higher than their productivity. At some point we need to stop kicking the can. I get we can leverage some of the young guys (Jefferson for example) and spread their cap hit over more years as they're young and will still be in their prime, but we also have a bunch of old dudes on bad deals that we're going to end up having to let finish out a year or eat dead cap for multiple years while also finding a replacement.
 


they can be, but at some point you're also going to have to move the contracts or pay the piper on some of these guys.
Aaron Jones isn't going to change his deal in half or something, but I guess he could restructure to 2 years, 22mil or so but now you're on the books with him for another year with 11mil in
Ditto on Hock and given his now injury history, I don't see him taking a cut nor it making sense to prolong having him on the roster unless he's going to recover
Maybe Kelly medically retires to shed us some cap
Fries deal jumps 12mil next year and there's zero incentive for him to restructure a deal that goes 17, 21, 21, 21 the next 4
They're also going to have to look at whether or not they're extending Oneill and Darrisaw's cap hit jumps 14 mil as does JJs 23mil.
Gink is maybe one you could try spread it out for more years as he is still productive when healthy
Hargrave and Allen have both been meh and you're not going to save much other than prolong suffering with non-productive guys in their 30s by extending their years.
Murphy also jumps 10 mil and they need to decide what to do with Rodgers
Luckily Harry will finally fall off the books (I hope) or be at a massive discount

This team has a bunch of old dudes who aren't performing on multiyear deals. At some point we are going to have to pay for it or prolong having tight cap space. This team doesn't look like a contender right now with the injuries and the contracts get uglier next year or only more prolonged and unfortunately not many of them look like solid trade assets either to gain draft capital (is part of the issue of assembling a lot of guys through FA rather than the draft)

luckily we'll get some comp picks for next year which may make trying to move some contracts easier, but the productivity of some of these guys has been real rough. Allen, Hargreave, Hock, Jones, and Greenard to a lesser extent all have cap hits far higher than their productivity. At some point we need to stop kicking the can. I get we can leverage some of the young guys (Jefferson for example) and spread their cap hit over more years as they're young and will still be in their prime, but we also have a bunch of old dudes on bad deals that we're going to end up having to let finish out a year or eat dead cap for multiple years while also finding a replacement.

PD guys yesterday were saying that due to Eric Wilson taking on a starting role, there is a good chance we will only receive one comp pick next season. A 3rd rounder for Darnold.

They said for us to get a second comp pick, it is important that Cam Robinson keeps starting for the Browns.

The good news just keeps on coming ...
 



PD guys yesterday were saying that due to Eric Wilson taking on a starting role, there is a good chance we will only receive one comp pick next season. A 3rd rounder for Darnold.

They said for us to get a second comp pick, it is important that Cam Robinson keeps starting for the Browns.

The good news just keeps on coming ...

They're going to get a 4th round comp pick for Daniel Jones as well
 


Purple Daily guys are saying it is in jeopardy due to Wilson and Robinson.
Wilson is a non-CFA no? think if Cam Robinson falls out of the lineup we'll lose a 5th but gain a 3rd and 4th for Darnold and Jones respectively
 

This is a startling contrast. KOC needs to sharpen up his play-calling to some extent.

raw numbers are hard for 2 reasons.
Oliver is not super often out there as the single TE versus Hock is for all the shotgun/spread/passing downs. Secondarily, we're going to run more out of 2 TEs (like basically every team) which is going to skew Olivers numbers run heavier and we do sometimes sub Hock out in 2 TE looks for Yurosek with the idea you're trying to oversell the run.

If they were out there in similar formations and its this, sure. but its the same if you're putting out 6 lineman. It's not like you're trading Hock and Oliver 1 for 1 the majority of the time

Still KOC has not been very good at scheming guys open as often this year
 



Wilson is a non-CFA no? think if Cam Robinson falls out of the lineup we'll lose a 5th but gain a 3rd and 4th for Darnold and Jones respectively

I am just passing on what the PD guys were saying yesterday. Anybody can listen to it.

They are long time sports scribes with the the #1 watched sports pod in the twin cities. Guess I will accept their conclusions on this
 

It sure would be nice to actually have the starting bookend OT's on the field at the same time when JJ McCarthy finally does start playing

 

raw numbers are hard for 2 reasons.
Oliver is not super often out there as the single TE versus Hock is for all the shotgun/spread/passing downs. Secondarily, we're going to run more out of 2 TEs (like basically every team) which is going to skew Olivers numbers run heavier and we do sometimes sub Hock out in 2 TE looks for Yurosek with the idea you're trying to oversell the run.

If they were out there in similar formations and its this, sure. but its the same if you're putting out 6 lineman. It's not like you're trading Hock and Oliver 1 for 1 the majority of the time

Still KOC has not been very good at scheming guys open as often this year
I know KOC will not give up play calling as none of the "Shanahan" guys do (except the OG). But every year he says they will run more and they don't. And he also seems reluctant to adjust away from the long pass plays when the Oline is having issues.
 

Any ideas why KOC didn't play Brosmer in the 3rd or early 4th quarter? I know the game was over, but that would have been a perfect time to play him.
 

Any ideas why KOC didn't play Brosmer in the 3rd or early 4th quarter? I know the game was over, but that would have been a perfect time to play him.

Kevin said he didn't want Brosmers first significant minutes to be in those circumstances.
He no doubt was referring to the oline.
 




Not what my eyes have been seeing, but let's run with it.

We need something.
I think your eyes, and your mouth, are lying.

I don't think you have a clue about line play, and you just blather out "line sucks!" nearly every single game.
 

I wouldn't have said this a year ago but I don't think this would upset me one bit. It's probably time for some new blood, a new defensive philosophy.

Wow.

I never would've thought this, after last year, but this year... I don't think I disagree.


The defense is absolutely > 50% of the problem in both of the last two games.

Don't get me wrong, it was better than the godawful 2022 defense. Back when it was a blitzing, attacking defense. But now it feels like just a bend over and take it defense.
 

Herbert is a Top 5 QB talent in the NFL for sure. He's suffered from poor coaching and OL play in his first few years.

Under Harbaugh with an improved OL and supported by a viable run game, he's flourished. I'd gladly take him for the next 10 years as our QB.

If Herbert was our QB, we beat ATL, PIT and probably PHI leaving us sitting at 6-1 and an entirely different aura surrounding this team.

The Chargers currently have the 8th best odds to win the Super Bowl at +1,800. The Vikings are 23rd at +12,500.

Where are you putting your money?

True...having a good QB doesn't necessarily guarantee team success.

Also true...having a poor QB virtually guarantees no team success.
Herbert's 2024 season wasn't statistically better than his 2022 season, and the team had similar records.

Guess we'll see what happens this year, but they're in a competitive division (similar to NFC North in that sense).


My point is that some on this thread act like if we can just get some great QB, everything will magically be solved and we'll instantly be transported to Narnia.

Well, no ... that's not true. And it's the Vikings. You should know better. You signed up for this ...
 

Any ideas why KOC didn't play Brosmer in the 3rd or early 4th quarter? I know the game was over, but that would have been a perfect time to play him.
All I know is that when Wentz went back out there for that last 4th down ... I was like WTF are you doing ... then he gets killed by two Chargers, one last time for good measure, while the national audience gets to see him grimace in pain and throw his helmet.

And that might be the last images we have of Carson Wentz, the professional football player.
 

Kevin said he didn't want Brosmers first significant minutes to be in those circumstances.
He no doubt was referring to the oline.
Interior is fine. Having Skule and Rouse be your tackles against NFL edge rushers?

Yikes
 

I know KOC will not give up play calling as none of the "Shanahan" guys do (except the OG). But every year he says they will run more and they don't. And he also seems reluctant to adjust away from the long pass plays when the Oline is having issues.
He won 13 games in 2022 with a horseshit defense. He won 14 games last year.

This year is shaping up to be a 2023.

"tAnK" the losers will say. Except but ... so that KAM can fuck up yet another draft?? Why? What the hell is the point??
 



I think your eyes, and your mouth, are lying.

I don't think you have a clue about line play, and you just blather out "line sucks!" nearly every single game.
We don't run the ball well and our qb's have little time to throw and are getting hammered.

I believe what my own eyes see, sir!
 




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