The ordeal of no divisions

[csom_1991]

School and aches go away with being paid?

No, just school administrators pretending to care about them. This is no different from the players no longer pretending it is about attending classes and getting a degree. A lot of players will be millionaires by the time they step foot on campus. Remember when people feigned outrage when Ohio State quarterback Cardale Jones said "Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS" - this is more true now than ever before.

 

[Some guy]

No, just school administrators pretending to care about them. This is no different from the players no longer pretending it is about attending classes and getting a degree. A lot of players will be millionaires by the time they step foot on campus. Remember when people feigned outrage when Ohio State quarterback Cardale Jones said "Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS" - this is more true now than ever before.

North Carolina has already had a fake department with fake programs for decades

I think the ncaa saying quality of program is outside their jurisdiction means that it’ll never be that players aren’t enrolled. It’ll be that they’re “enrolled”

Hell the university could create an Athletics major where practicing and playing gives you credit

 

[Tork]

The division system had its fair share of criticism, too. Reaction to Leagues and Legends was mixed and the West was often looked at as the lesser of the two during its existance.

Regardless, I don't see anything changing. The recent changes were all about TV. I don't think that was always the case. Adding Penn State and Nebraska was genuinely expanding the conference with two prolific football programs in Midwest/B1G adjacent states.

That's not the case with the East and West Coast additions. By bringing those in, the Big Ten now has a presence in states with 4 of the top 5 media markets, and 18 of the top 40. The recent additions, in bold, added 8, including the 2 largest.

No. 1 New York City - Rutgers
No. 2 Los Angeles - USC, UCLA
No. 3 Chicago - Illinois, Northwestern
No. 5 Philadelphia - Penn State
No. 8 Washington DC - Maryland
No. 10 Bay Area - USC, UCLA
No. 13 Seattle - Washington
No. 14 Detroit - Michigan, Michigan State
No. 16 Twin Cities - Minnesota
No. 19 Cleveland - Ohio State
No. 23 Portland - Oregon
No. 25 Indianapolis - Indiana, Purdue
No. 27 Pittsburgh - Penn State
No. 29 Baltimore - Maryland
No. 30 San Diego - USC, UCLA
No. 35 Columbus - Ohio State
No. 37 Cincinnati - Ohio State
No. 38 Milwaukee - Wisconsin

Minor point on the markets that I don't think USC or UCLA do much for the conference in the SF Bay Area. LA and San Francisco are about the same distance apart as the Twin Cities and Chicago, and to the extent those people follow college football, Stanford and Cal are right there. Those would be the schools to get for that market.

A person in the Twin Cities is physically closer to Madison, Ames and Iowa City than a Bay Area resident is to LA.

 

[swede2]

Minor point on the markets that I don't think USC or UCLA do much for the conference in the SF Bay Area. LA and San Francisco are about the same distance apart as the Twin Cities and Chicago, and to the extent those people follow college football, Stanford and Cal are right there. Those would be the schools to get for that market.

A person in the Twin Cities is physically closer to Madison, Ames and Iowa City than a Bay Area resident is to LA.

Except that neither Stanford or Cal move the viewership needle in the Bay area, at least not enough to warrant a B1G invite. But there are probably plenty of UCLA and USC grads in the Bay Area.

 

[Tork]

Except that neither Stanford or Cal move the viewership needle in the Bay area, at least not enough to warrant a B1G invite. But there are probably plenty of UCLA and USC grads in the Bay Area.

Maybe, but I highly doubt it. We probably need a current resident to opine. When I lived there 20 years ago very few people cared much about college football, at all, but those that did tended to be Stanford or Cal fans, and I would guess mainly alumni. LA is both geographically and culturally a long ways away. There might be more fans of nearby San Jose St. than UCLA or USC.

 

[PMWinSTP]

Except that neither Stanford or Cal move the viewership needle in the Bay area, at least not enough to warrant a B1G invite. But there are probably plenty of UCLA and USC grads in the Bay Area.

You know this how?

 

[Ope3]

Except that neither Stanford or Cal move the viewership needle in the Bay area, at least not enough to warrant a B1G invite. But there are probably plenty of UCLA and USC grads in the Bay Area.

You know this how?

Because Stanford and Cal were rebuffed from the Big 10 and are now in the ACC.

 

[swede2]

You know this how?

If it isn't self evident (Stanford and Cal were spurned by the B1G and are now in the ACC) you can google and find plenty of commentary on the value, or lack thereof, in the Stanford and Cal programs, the hard on some here have for Stanford, particularly, notwithstanding. Hell, the ACC wasn't quite sure it wanted those schools either. They each had to take a greatly reduced share of media revenue for nine years.

 

[Gopherchase]

Who cares. Our floor should be 9 regular season wins regardless of where that puts us in the conference that’s a good year which will keeps us out of the shitty bowls.

 

[csom_1991]

North Carolina has already had a fake department with fake programs for decades

I think the ncaa saying quality of program is outside their jurisdiction means that it’ll never be that players aren’t enrolled. It’ll be that they’re “enrolled”

Hell the university could create an Athletics major where practicing and playing gives you credit

But at least in the past, they pretended to care. It was all about selective enforcement before - like with our own tutor scandal destroying basketball at Minnesota. But now, the schools will no longer pretend. This applies to attending classes as well as 'athlete health' concerns as they push for more games. I am torn - I would rather turn back the clock to an 11 game schedule with no playoffs at all and players not getting paid. However, I think it is inevitable that they expand up to a 16 game schedule + playoffs.