Geers interception play in front of sudeline judge?

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Am I the only one that thinks yesterday's Big 10 crew is bias against the Gophers? Isn't that Geers play covered by Article 2 Illegal contact within 5 yards rule by NCAA or HS. NFL has a different rule but in college when a guy is even with you, under 5 yards, you cannot grab, blast or hold at that point. The Buffalo linebacker just flat out ran straight into Geers knocking him over. For those listening on the radio, did the radio guys call this play out. I was at the game and I noticed contact but didn't think referee or side judge saw it. I don't think you can hit a guy like that once the offensive player and defender are to the same spit or hash mark. Once your even you can't grab or hit a dude otherwise every defender in College football would do it. I mean Iowa teaches grab ass and clutching all over the field and they get away with it. I thought the Geers play the side judge wasn't even looking and it happened in front of him. I thought on # 8 the Smith over ruled catch there was illegal contact to head and kneck area with that blow to the head on a defensive back, if not targeting it was a personal foul illegal contact to a defenseless receiver. I know these referees overlap with calling a lot of games, but that Big 10 crew with yesterday's head referee seems to always be involved in controversial calls when it comes to fouls comitted against the Gophers. It wasn't obvious but the Buffal defender committed either illegal contact or Holding against Geers. That play is a foul in College it's not the same rule as the NFL. A lot of NFL people would say no foul or penalty, but in college that play is a penalty by the definition in the rule book. I thought yesterday's crew had some bad misses, refs have a tough job but they didn't give Gophers the Big 10 treatment you usually see of a home team. Can someone post the footage if they have it of the play? Disagree if you want but I thought live that play was fishy and wrong.
 


gopherdudepart2 said:
Am I the only one that thinks yesterday's Big 10 crew is bias against the Gophers? Isn't that Geers play covered by Article 2 Illegal contact within 5 yards rule by NCAA or HS. NFL has a different rule but in college when a guy is even with you, under 5 yards, you cannot grab, blast or hold at that point. The Buffalo linebacker just flat out ran straight into Geers knocking him over. For those listening on the radio, did the radio guys call this play out. I was at the game and I noticed contact but didn't think referee or side judge saw it. I don't think you can hit a guy like that once the offensive player and defender are to the same spit or hash mark. Once your even you can't grab or hit a dude otherwise every defender in College football would do it. I mean Iowa teaches grab ass and clutching all over the field and they get away with it. I thought the Geers play the side judge wasn't even looking and it happened in front of him. I thought on # 8 the Smith over ruled catch there was illegal contact to head and kneck area with that blow to the head on a defensive back, if not targeting it was a personal foul illegal contact to a defenseless receiver. I know these referees overlap with calling a lot of games, but that Big 10 crew with yesterday's head referee seems to always be involved in controversial calls when it comes to fouls comitted against the Gophers. It wasn't obvious but the Buffal defender committed either illegal contact or Holding against Geers. That play is a foul in College it's not the same rule as the NFL. A lot of NFL people would say no foul or penalty, but in college that play is a penalty by the definition in the rule book. I thought yesterday's crew had some bad misses, refs have a tough job but they didn't give Gophers the Big 10 treatment you usually see of a home team. Can someone post the footage if they have it of the play? Disagree if you want but I thought live that play was fishy and wrong.
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As the play developed, I presumed Drake threw the ball at Geers to emphasize that his receiver got taken out before he could even be in a position to catch the pass and was trying to help draw a penalty. Just a bizarre result
 

HitMeAgainIAmStillMoving said:
Radio guys were all over it.
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Glad to hear it. I figured Mike Grimm and DT would know the rules. First game I will give this a pass, but if this crap continues with Big 10 officiating and this becomes a trend, plays like this can be game altering against conference competition. Good thig Darius was able to tackle the offender. Shouldn't be rewarded by committing a penalty and having that fluke bounce. That play was a bad call missed play by officials. Glad to see Geers isn't getting roasted for a play the officials missed. Geers has a chance to be our next NFL tight end.
 

If the pass hasn't been thrown and you are within 5 yards you can hit the receiver...right?
 


Governor Sibley said:
If the pass hasn't been thrown and you are within 5 yards you can hit the receiver...right?
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Not in college if your on equal footing yardage wise, in the sub rule of section 2 of illegal contact that is not legal to hit the receiver like that even if the pass hasn't been thrown yet. In NFL it's a legal play, in College football that play is illegal contact. The play was similar to clipping or illegal blocking down field pick play. This play, If any offensive player cannot create a pick downfield like this a defensive player cannot do it either. Would be like a blindside or Crack back block by the defender in this instance. Offense cannot do this type of contact, neither can the defense in NCAA. Just like a reciever cannot set a pick at point of contact on a route against defenders, the defender cannot just pick off or knock a receiver down at the same point. It's the type of contact a clear pick, that makes it not a legal play.
 
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gopherdudepart2 said:
Not in college if your on equal footing yardage wise, in the sub rule of section 2 of illegal contact that is not legal to hit the receiver like that even if the pass hasn't been thrown yet. In NFL it's a legal play, in College football that play is illegal contact. The play was similar to clipping or illegal blocking down field pick play. This play, If any offensive player cannot create a pick downfield like this a defensive player cannot do it either. Would be like a blindside or Crack back block by the defender in this instance. Offense cannot do this type of contact, neither can the defense in NCAA. Just like a reciever cannot set a pick at point of contact on a route against defenders, the defender cannot just pick off or knock a receiver down at the same point. Not a legal play.
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But if the ball has not been thrown and the receiver is coming across the defender’s face, the defender does not know if it is a block or a route.

I was taught to lay out anybody who crossed my face if the ball was not out. 25 years ago!
 




gopherdudepart2 said:
Am I the only one that thinks yesterday's Big 10 crew is bias against the Gophers? Isn't that Geers play covered by Article 2 Illegal contact within 5 yards rule by NCAA or HS. NFL has a different rule but in college when a guy is even with you, under 5 yards, you cannot grab, blast or hold at that point. The Buffalo linebacker just flat out ran straight into Geers knocking him over. For those listening on the radio, did the radio guys call this play out. I was at the game and I noticed contact but didn't think referee or side judge saw it. I don't think you can hit a guy like that once the offensive player and defender are to the same spit or hash mark. Once your even you can't grab or hit a dude otherwise every defender in College football would do it. I mean Iowa teaches grab ass and clutching all over the field and they get away with it. I thought the Geers play the side judge wasn't even looking and it happened in front of him. I thought on # 8 the Smith over ruled catch there was illegal contact to head and kneck area with that blow to the head on a defensive back, if not targeting it was a personal foul illegal contact to a defenseless receiver. I know these referees overlap with calling a lot of games, but that Big 10 crew with yesterday's head referee seems to always be involved in controversial calls when it comes to fouls comitted against the Gophers. It wasn't obvious but the Buffal defender committed either illegal contact or Holding against Geers. That play is a foul in College it's not the same rule as the NFL. A lot of NFL people would say no foul or penalty, but in college that play is a penalty by the definition in the rule book. I thought yesterday's crew had some bad misses, refs have a tough job but they didn't give Gophers the Big 10 treatment you usually see of a home team. Can someone post the footage if they have it of the play? Disagree if you want but I thought live that play was fishy and wrong.
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The play that led to the INT was weird.....but I can't stand the whole "refs are out to get us" line of thinking so many fans love to go to. Calls get made and calls get missed in every game but I truly believe the refs are out there doing the best they can and not playing favorites.
 

MNVCGUY said:
The play that led to the INT was weird.....but I can't stand the whole "refs are out to get us" line of thinking so many fans love to go to. Calls get made and calls get missed in every game but I truly believe the refs are out there doing the best they can and not playing favorites.
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I think generally it's just incompetence, not bias. I do think there is an element though when we play an OSU, etc that human nature enters their mind about what is "supposed to happen".
 

Governor Sibley said:
But if the ball has not been thrown and the receiver is coming across the defender’s face, the defender does not know if it is a block or a route.

I was taught to lay out anybody who crossed my face if the ball was not out. 25 years ago!
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Can't set a pick, just flat run into a guy , just bounce off like that in the NCAA, just like receivers can't set picks or a basketball player cannot undercut a player landing. I know it used to be legal, and in NFL still is, but in rule books now that play would be considered illegal contact. I know they allow contact but not at a defender just cutting off WR across and blasting the route like that. Once they started calling the pick plays on offense as offensive pass interference they changed the rule on illegal contact under 5 yards. It's a nuance and easy for the referees to miss.You are right that this was once considered legal in HS and College. You would see ot on every screen or drag play if it were still legal.
 
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gopherdudepart2 said:
Can't set a pick, just flat run into a guy , just bounce off like that in the NCAA, just like receivers can't set picks or a basketball player cannot undercut a player landing. I know it used to be legal, and in NFL still is, but in rule books now that play would be considered illegal contact. I know they allow contact but not at a WR cutting off the route like that.
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The way I'm reading the rule is you have to be facing the receiver. The hit last night was more like a blind side block.
 



MNVCGUY said:
The play that led to the INT was weird.....but I can't stand the whole "refs are out to get us" line of thinking so many fans love to go to. Calls get made and calls get missed in every game but I truly believe the refs are out there doing the best they can and not playing favorites.
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Uh huh. Next you're gonna try and tell us that the announcers aren't against the Gophers every game too.
 

Word said:
The way I'm reading the rule is you have to be facing the receiver. The hit last night was more like a blind side block.
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That is my interpretation to because the hit was like blindside block or pick off, is what makes it illegal contact. The blindside contact is what makes it illegal these days.
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
Uh huh. Next you're gonna try and tell us that the announcers aren't against the Gophers every game too.
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I don't think officials are always against Gophers, just some missed illegal contact fouls. It was the first game of the year so more willing to forgive. Officials have a tough job, a lot to do and remember in real time. It,'s a tough role.
 

Word said:
I think generally it's just incompetence, not bias. I do think there is an element though when we play an OSU, etc that human nature enters their mind about what is "supposed to happen".
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Star treatment/benefit of the doubt stuff does certainly seem to come into play more against the elite teams where they will seem to get calls at times....

But the vast majority of the time it is just human error with no malicious intent behind it. Refs make mistakes, always have always will because they are doing a really really really hard job.

This thread is a bit of a rarity though because you rarely hear many complaints about the officials when a team wins.....they typically only suck when your favorite team loses :)
 

To give credit to the TV guys there was a mention of a penalty, but it was quickly dropped.
 


mngg11 said:
As the play developed, I presumed Drake threw the ball at Geers to emphasize that his receiver got taken out before he could even be in a position to catch the pass and was trying to help draw a penalty. Just a bizarre result
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I'm not so sure. It looked like Drake was looking downfield and just turned and threw to Geers assuming he would be there. Of course, not on the ground.
 


gopherdudepart2 said:
Am I the only one that thinks yesterday's Big 10 crew is bias against the Gophers? Isn't that Geers play covered by Article 2 Illegal contact within 5 yards rule by NCAA or HS. NFL has a different rule but in college when a guy is even with you, under 5 yards, you cannot grab, blast or hold at that point. The Buffalo linebacker just flat out ran straight into Geers knocking him over. For those listening on the radio, did the radio guys call this play out. I was at the game and I noticed contact but didn't think referee or side judge saw it. I don't think you can hit a guy like that once the offensive player and defender are to the same spit or hash mark. Once your even you can't grab or hit a dude otherwise every defender in College football would do it. I mean Iowa teaches grab ass and clutching all over the field and they get away with it. I thought the Geers play the side judge wasn't even looking and it happened in front of him. I thought on # 8 the Smith over ruled catch there was illegal contact to head and kneck area with that blow to the head on a defensive back, if not targeting it was a personal foul illegal contact to a defenseless receiver. I know these referees overlap with calling a lot of games, but that Big 10 crew with yesterday's head referee seems to always be involved in controversial calls when it comes to fouls comitted against the Gophers. It wasn't obvious but the Buffal defender committed either illegal contact or Holding against Geers. That play is a foul in College it's not the same rule as the NFL. A lot of NFL people would say no foul or penalty, but in college that play is a penalty by the definition in the rule book. I thought yesterday's crew had some bad misses, refs have a tough job but they didn't give Gophers the Big 10 treatment you usually see of a home team. Can someone post the footage if they have it of the play? Disagree if you want but I thought live that play was fishy and wrong.
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I thought the refs were a bit crappy as well. That play for sure. The non-call targeting that they went to the monitor and ruled incomplete. I thought there was at least a couple poor spots. Specifically the 3rd down prior to the failed 4th down conversion. Initially called a first....and then moved back like a full yard and a half, which I thought was TOO far back. Should have been like 4th and half a yard rather than a full yard.

Also....consider splitting posts up into paragraphs for purposes of readability.
 

i dunno if i agree with the assessment that it's a slam dunk penalty.

This gets very weird based on a couple of things.

The ball is thrown behind the line of scrimmage. By rule PI does not apply. Interference rules do not apply behind the neutral zone (Rules 7-3-9-d, 9-1-5 Exception 4 and 9-3-5 Exception 5).

Secondarily, the contact occurs prior to ball being thrown. There is a segment in the NCAA rule book regarding: A83, a wide receiver 10 yards from the nearest interior lineman, slants toward the middle of the field. Before the ball is thrown, B1, a back, legally blocks him and knocks him down. RULING: Legal unless the block was below the waist (Rule 9-1-6).

The onus is on the offensive player to not make contact. The same rules do not apply to defenders prior to the ball being thrown.

could you have called some other stuff for blind side hit, personal foul, etc., probably. But the PI call is automatically out.
 

stocker08 said:
I thought the refs were a bit crappy as well. That play for sure. The non-call targeting that they went to the monitor and ruled incomplete. I thought there was at least a couple poor spots. Should hSpecifically the 3rd down prior to the failed 4th down conversion. Initially called a first....and then moved back like a full yard and a half, which I thought was TOO far back. ave been like 4th and half a yard rather than a full yard.

Also....consider splitting posts up into paragraphs for purposes of readability.
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I think on that one even the TV guys were confused. Called it the left foot right foot placement, which is BS.
 



upnorthkid said:
i dunno if i agree with the assessment that it's a slam dunk penalty.

This gets very weird based on a couple of things.

The ball is thrown behind the line of scrimmage. By rule PI does not apply. Interference rules do not apply behind the neutral zone (Rules 7-3-9-d, 9-1-5 Exception 4 and 9-3-5 Exception 5).

Secondarily, the contact occurs prior to ball being thrown. There is a segment in the NCAA rule book regarding: A83, a wide receiver 10 yards from the nearest interior lineman, slants toward the middle of the field. Before the ball is thrown, B1, a back, legally blocks him and knocks him down. RULING: Legal unless the block was below the waist (Rule 9-1-6).

The onus is on the offensive player to not make contact. The same rules do not apply to defenders prior to the ball being thrown.

could you have called some other stuff for blind side hit, personal foul, etc., probably. But the PI call is automatically out.
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If it's legal, why don't defenders just truck all the receivers before the ball is thrown on every play???
 

Here are the highlights. I missed the 1st half so I had to go back and watch. Start at the 1:05 mark to see the play. Because the TE is not downfield, can the DB hit Geer as he did?

 

They were “letting them play” last night. Seems like it met the blindside block tenets, hit before throw, defenseless player but 🤷‍♂️. Next week maybe they’ll call it tight.

As someone pointed out I save my vitriol for when the final score goes against us.
 

Word said:
If it's legal, why don't defenders just truck all the receivers before the ball is thrown on every play???
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they often try jamming at the line but its way harder as the guy is looking at you. the crossers in theory you could try, but you could be called for personal fouls, etc depending on the hit (i.e. they could've called a blindside hit and personal foul imo if you were going to call something).

Most common place you actually see this all the time is the TE or RB slips where a defender just buries them before the ball is thrown and then a QB eats it for the sack or throws it into the ground. guarantee you'll see it happen a bunch if you watch this weekend
 

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