Wow, Pohlad Family no longer selling team, will remain owners.

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So any guesses as to who the two buyers are? Ziggy Wilf? Joe Mauer? Glen Taylor?
 


Ope3 said:
The math does not work out, as they are currently carrying a $400MM debt.
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Not my fault they offloaded some debt from other companies onto the Twins.

Maybe it's that forensic accounting that scared away potential buyers.

So, fine, I'll be them the present value of the purchase price, assume the $400MM in debt, and they walk away with a very nice profit.
 


tikited said:
I assume they will raise the price $3. $18 beer night.
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I think it already was $18, at least some brands/sizes. Maybe that was tip included, but I try to use self-service and give the gratuity to yours truly.
 




Breakin' The Plane said:
I don't know who it is, but I'd put money that at least one of the buyers has a hefty stake in that Securian Financial company.
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Just based on the uniform patches that the Twins are sporting?

Not a bad guess, even if that's all you are going off.
 
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Ope3 said:
Just based on the uniform patches that the Twins are sporting?

Not bad guess, even if that's all you are going off.
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Those patches popped up out of nowhere after 2+ years of nothing on the uniforms, despite carrying all this alleged debt. I was obviously skeptical about the sale from day one, but the timing of announcing a multi-year deal while your team is supposedly for sale seemed awful fishy.
 



Breakin' The Plane said:
Those patches popped up out of nowhere after 2+ years of nothing on the uniforms, despite carrying all this alleged debt. I was obviously skeptical about the sale from day one, but the timing of announcing a multi-year deal while your team is supposedly for sale seemed awful fishy.
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Quite plausible.
 

I'm not big on Pinch Running for Lee in the 9th, with 2 outs. Especially with Roden as the next the next batter.
 

Ope3 said:
I'm not big on Pinch Running for Lee in the 9th, with 2 outs. Especially with Roden as the next the next batter.
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Why......you are trying to win with a hit right there. Lee is not fast.
 





kg21 said:
Why......you are trying to win with a hit right there. Lee is not fast.
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- With 2 outs, Lee could have scored on most hits anyway,.
- Not confident in Roden delivering such a hit (he didn't)
- Weakened the defense going forward, I think Lee would have made that tough play in the hole when Fitzgerald bounced the throw to Julien in the 10th. Ultimately got out of that to inning
- Lose Lee's stick in extras
 

Lee just ahead of Vasquez for sprint speed…

Lee also not great range .. Lee not a great arm as well.. Fitzgerald quicker
 


Roland Brooks said:
Lee just ahead of Vasquez for sprint speed…

Lee also not great range .. Lee not a great arm as well.. Fitzgerald quicker
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With Roden's .191 average it's an extremely marginal advantage to have Fitzgerald running instead of Lee with 2 outs, is my opinion.

Roland Brooks said:
IF Fitzgerald comes up Wallner or Clemens would hit for him…
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Uffda on the defense in that scenario it the game is extended. Furthermore, I would have had one of those guys hit for Martin in the 10th.

In the end moot. Game over. Would have been nice to get a win over Skubal, but it's not going to change the Twins playoff aspirations.
 

Ope3 said:
- With 2 outs, Lee could have scored on most hits anyway,.
- Not confident in Roden delivering such a hit (he didn't)
- Weakened the defense going forward, I think Lee would have made that tough play in the hole when Fitzgerald bounced the throw to Julien in the 10th. Ultimately got out of that to inning
- Lose Lee's stick in extras
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In the old days, yes, maybe you save the bat

but this was the bottom of the 9th and in the 10th they put runners on 2nd. the odds you get back to brooks are slim.
 

kg21 said:
In the old days, yes, maybe you save the bat

but this was the bottom of the 9th and in the 10th they put runners on 2nd. the odds you get back to brooks are slim.
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While that is true under the new rules, it doesn't invalidate my other 3 points.

I get why the move was made and it was by no means an egregious blunder.

With 1 out I would do it. With a better hitter I would have done it. Roden's BA is .181 in 132 ABS. It only pays off on a sharply hit single. He's hit 15 singles total. Just over 11%.

That's not worth Pinch Running for Lee, IMO.
 
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howeda7 said:
The Pohlad's have torched all goodwill with the fan base. Attendance and TV revenue will plummet further next year. Then a lockout in 2027. This team will be worth less 3 years from now than it is today.

No matter what their debt situation is, they should have taken what they could get and run. I'm astounded they think this is the right financial move.
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One thing the Pohlad's could be hitching their wagon to is after the new Labor Agreement is reached there is a strong possibility of realignment not just within the American/National League but entire MLB.

The Twins could perhaps find themselves in a Division that has:

Minnesota
Kansas City
St Louis
Milwaukee
Chicago Cubs
Chicago White Sox
Cleveland
Cincinnati

Far more regional matchups during the regular season could have a net positive impact at the gate and broadcast revenue in that situation.

I think it's less probable that the franchise will be worth less whenever the Labor agreement is reached which may or may not be in 3 years.

Hard to say though, depends on what the labor rules are and revenue sharing. Captain Obvious understatement.
 

Ope3 said:
One thing the Pohlad's could be hitching their wagon to is after the new Labor Agreement is reached there is a strong possibility of realignment not just within the American/National League but entire MLB.

The Twins could perhaps find themselves in a Division that has:

Minnesota
Kansas City
St Louis
Milwaukee
Chicago Cubs
Chicago White Sox
Cleveland
Cincinnati

Far more regional matchups during the regular season could have a net positive impact at the gate and broadcast revenue in that situation.

I think it's less probable that the franchise will be worth less whenever the Labor agreement is reached which may or may not be in 3 years.

Hard to say though, depends on what the labor rules are and revenue sharing. Captain Obvious understatement.
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It also depends on how long/ugly the lockout is. It took MLB until 1998 to recover from the 1994 strike. And they are a much weaker sport now.

I think it comes down to: Joe didn't want to sell. The rest of them did. They got enough $$ from the new partners to buyout/shut up the ones who wanted to sell, so they said fine and let Joe keep the team. That would be OK if he actually wanted to win and had a clue what he's doing. But at best he's one for two on that. Unless they bring in new baseball people, I'm not sure it matters if the payroll is $90 million or $140.
 

howeda7 said:
It also depends on how long/ugly the lockout is. It took MLB until 1998 to recover from the 1994 strike. And they are a much weaker sport now.

I think it comes down to: Joe didn't want to sell. The rest of them did. They got enough $$ from the new partners to buyout/shut up the ones who wanted to sell, so they said fine and let Joe keep the team. That would be OK if he actually wanted to win and had a clue what he's doing. But at best he's one for two on that. Unless they bring in new baseball people, I'm not sure it matters if the payroll is $90 million or $140.
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That's definitely plausible.

In 1994 they only lost a month and a half of regular season games, but the World Series was axed and that led to a ton of residual resentment. Then 1995 started late by a couple of weeks.

It took the Twins about a decade to return to pre-lock out levels.
 

Ope3 said:
That's definitely plausible.

In 1994 they only lost a month and a half of regular season games, but the World Series was axed and that led to a ton of residual resentment. Then 1995 started late by a couple of weeks.

It took the Twins about a decade to return to pre-lock out levels.
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I saw lifelong mlb fans turn away and never come back. Baseball should understand that the Indy 500 was a national spectacle.
 


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