Shedeur Sanders’ Slide in NFL Draft Cost Him $44 Million

Just because you can list a couple players who overcame issues doesn’t mean it’s more likely to work out.
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You can’t prove the converse either buddy!!!

i hope that people overcome their personal issues, as we all have them last time I checked - if that’s not your perspective on humanity, you’re entitled to that perspective!!!!
 




Especially when it’s two guys with significantly higher talent on the field than Shedeur.
Not to mention that they are not very good comparisons. Neither Carter nor Moss are from the entitled rich coddled background. In fact just the opposite. And both had their personal issues but for the most part were good teammates and liked by their colleagues.
 


He has a very good, highly accurate arm. I have also felt he is great at reading defenses and finding his best option. For all the flash and noise around him, he's talented and it showed in college.
 

He has a very good, highly accurate arm. I have also felt he is great at reading defenses and finding his best option. For all the flash and noise around him, he's talented and it showed in college.
There is such a variance in opinion of his actual performance in college. The raw numbers look good but he had some tough times against the actual good teams they faced despite excellent receivers and a pass happy offense. And many of the numbers against the good teams came in junk time when a QB can pile up stats. His OL was bad so that is a check in the other column.

It could work out for him but I am dubious.
 

There is such a variance in opinion of his actual performance in college. The raw numbers look good but he had some tough times against the actual good teams they faced despite excellent receivers and a pass happy offense. And many of the numbers against the good teams came in junk time when a QB can pile up stats. His OL was bad so that is a check in the other column.

It could work out for him but I am dubious.
Agreed. Weird variations, not a lot of good tests.

Physically gifted, but it’s really hard to know anything else.
 

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You can’t prove the converse either buddy!!!

i hope that people overcome their personal issues, as we all have them last time I checked - if that’s not your perspective on humanity, you’re entitled to that perspective!!!!
I’m curious but we’ll never know, if Max Brosmer had Sheduer’s opportunity who’d perform at a higher level?
 



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You can’t prove the converse either buddy!!!

i hope that people overcome their personal issues, as we all have them last time I checked - if that’s not your perspective on humanity, you’re entitled to that perspective!!!!
Of course I can’t. I hope they do too…you gave two good examples. My opinion is they’d be better to trade him for a higher pick than they used to take him because that has a higher probability of working out. I’m not rooting against him.
 

Not to mention that they are not very good comparisons. Neither Carter nor Moss are from the entitled rich coddled background. In fact just the opposite. And both had their personal issues but for the most part were good teammates and liked by their colleagues.
I’ve got a friend who played with Carter on the Vikes. They’d play pick up games of different things. I asked him who was better at stuff. He said whatever team had Cris Carter on it won. It didn’t matter what they were playing.
 


There is such a variance in opinion of his actual performance in college. The raw numbers look good but he had some tough times against the actual good teams they faced despite excellent receivers and a pass happy offense. And many of the numbers against the good teams came in junk time when a QB can pile up stats. His OL was bad so that is a check in the other column.

It could work out for him but I am dubious.
The thing about him is he has "enough" talent to play in the NFL but he tries to make plays like he's Patrick Mahomes. In college, you're going to get away with that a lot more than in the NFL. I think he's likely to be a turnover machine in the NFL. If he focused more on making the right play rather than trying to make the flashy play he might be a serviceable QB. I do not see him being a top half of the league QB. I think ceiling is bottom half starter or a good backup. Maybe Andy Dalton in his prime sort of level.
 



There is such a variance in opinion of his actual performance in college. The raw numbers look good but he had some tough times against the actual good teams they faced despite excellent receivers and a pass happy offense. And many of the numbers against the good teams came in junk time when a QB can pile up stats. His OL was bad so that is a check in the other column.

It could work out for him but I am dubious.
He also torched some really good teams with an awful OL and zero RB.

Football wise, he's a unique prospect. He seems to have an an average arm, he's accurate but he holds the ball a really long time. That is a much more difficult thing to fix than people realize.

I'll say this, he is better than a 5th/6th round talent. Is he worth the circus? Probably not for most teams. For the Browns? I honestly think he has more upside than Pickett or Gabriel.
 

The thing about him is he has "enough" talent to play in the NFL but he tries to make plays like he's Patrick Mahomes. In college, you're going to get away with that a lot more than in the NFL. I think he's likely to be a turnover machine in the NFL. If he focused more on making the right play rather than trying to make the flashy play he might be a serviceable QB. I do not see him being a top half of the league QB. I think ceiling is bottom half starter or a good backup. Maybe Andy Dalton in his prime sort of level.
I just don't see that with him.

I think his biggest problem is going to be taking sacks (not from doing anything too outrageous) and that he'll be a dink and dunker. It's hard to be a guy who takes big losses who doesn't stretch the defense.

In some ways, I see him more as a worse version of Kirk Cousins (at his worst).
 

I’m curious but we’ll never know, if Max Brosmer had Sheduer’s opportunity who’d perform at a higher level?

I watched a lot of the Buffs games last two years; with how porous their OL was, Max would be in med school by now, as we would have been seriously pancaked.

MN OL was far superior to the Buffs!!!
 
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He has a very good, highly accurate arm. I have also felt he is great at reading defenses and finding his best option. For all the flash and noise around him, he's talented and it showed in college.

He lead the NCAA in completion % for attempts of 20+ yards last season and many of those were on scrambles where the DL broke through the OL - he is looking down field/keeps his head up and as you noted has a great arm.

That type of arm talent and athleticism cannot be taught!!!

This link shows all his runs/scrambles and throws in his debut and there are a couple which Mahomes would be proud of, as he leaves NFL defenders grasping air.

His ceiling IMNHO is top half of NFL QBs!!!

 
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The thing about him is he has "enough" talent to play in the NFL but he tries to make plays like he's Patrick Mahomes. In college, you're going to get away with that a lot more than in the NFL. I think he's likely to be a turnover machine in the NFL. If he focused more on making the right play rather than trying to make the flashy play he might be a serviceable QB. I do not see him being a top half of the league QB. I think ceiling is bottom half starter or a good backup. Maybe Andy Dalton in his prime sort of level.

Dalton was a 3X pro Bowler who almost threw for 40K yards - in his prime, he was in the top half of the league!!!
 

Agreed. Weird variations, not a lot of good tests.

Physically gifted, but it’s really hard to know anything else.
It will be very interesting to see how his NFL career unfolds. As a first round or early round pick he had massive bust potential.....as a fifth round guy who has to work and earn his spot anything is possible. He clearly has a lot of raw talent, the question that will get answered is if he has the intangibles to be a QB in the NFL.....very few guys do.

I'm just glad the Vikings steered clear of the whole situation. Maybe it works out for the Browns, maybe it doesn't....
 

It will be very interesting to see how his NFL career unfolds. As a first round or early round pick he had massive bust potential.....as a fifth round guy who has to work and earn his spot anything is possible. He clearly has a lot of raw talent, the question that will get answered is if he has the intangibles to be a QB in the NFL.....very few guys do.

I'm just glad the Vikings steered clear of the whole situation. Maybe it works out for the Browns, maybe it doesn't....
Amen about avoiding all that. The moment things don't go his way he and/or his dad chirping away and the sports media acting like a megaphone for that kind of clown behavior ... man who needs that stuff?
 

Dalton was a 3X pro Bowler who almost threw for 40K yards - in his prime, he was in the top half of the league!!!
He was an alternate in 2011 & 2014.

2011 80 rating, 20 TD 13 INT
2014 83 rating 19 TD 17 INT
2016 92 rating 18 TD 8 INT

Pro Bowls don't mean shit. He was mediocre in 2 of those 3 seasons and little better than average the 3rd.

Also, by most metrics besides yards he was usually in the bottom of the league as far as starters. If you look at rating and QBR he was usually like #20-#25. Even at his prime he wasn't that good. And if he was an upper end of the league like you say he wouldn't have spent the last 5 years bouncing around the league as a backup. Those kind of guys don't just get let loose.

Dalton's career rating would put him in like 29th in today's standings for QBs. He had basically one good season, that's it.
 

Shedeur can blame himself for his monumental slide in the draft and the millions it cost him. His arrogance is understandable, given who his father is. But teams don’t want or need that distraction that sucks the air out of the room.
 

It will be very interesting to see how his NFL career unfolds. As a first round or early round pick he had massive bust potential.....as a fifth round guy who has to work and earn his spot anything is possible. He clearly has a lot of raw talent, the question that will get answered is if he has the intangibles to be a QB in the NFL.....very few guys do.

I'm just glad the Vikings steered clear of the whole situation. Maybe it works out for the Browns, maybe it doesn't....
Let's be honest here, it never works out for the Browns.
 

Shedeur can blame himself for his monumental slide in the draft and the millions it cost him. His arrogance is understandable, given who his father is. But teams don’t want or need that distraction that sucks the air out of the room.
It's not that I disagree with anything you posted but I've seen guys with much more serious character flaws (and less talent) get drafter higher than Sanders. You wanna draft Jaxon Dart in front of him? Ok. You want to draft Gabriel or Shough ahead of him? I just don't get it.

If Sanders turns into a serviceable backup, it's a coup for a 5th round pick.
 




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